I'm a doctor (keep readind, don't turn off the computer!) who's been qualified approx 2 years. In that time I've met nice doctors, stupid doctors, super inteligent doctors, weird doctors, dedicated doctors and lazy doctors. Also in that time I've met nice nurses, stupid nurses.. You see where I'm going with this? I'm sick and tired of stereotypes from both sides. However as a doctor I have to say that for most of our training, until we make consultant/GP, we are worse off than the nurses. We work much longer hours despite EWTD. We have much more responsibility and thus have more at risk. We are paid less PER-HOUR than nurses; serriously work it out. We are generally stereotyped as cold, unfeeling and patronizing. And finally there's more of you than us so its not fair.
Anywho, another bugbear; who's more inteligent nurses or doctors? well doctors need at least 3 A's at A'level and then have to pass an appetitude test and then compete with ten others for one place in a medical school. Then pass 2-3 sets of exams each year, then pass the first two years before competing again to gain entry into a speciality thus doing publications, research etc, then pass exit exams... so nurses then.
To me just the thread name sends the wrong message. I can see after reading the post both sides of the discusion now on hand.However I think that the OP could have gotten his point made in a less us vs. them way. If the actual point of the post was supposed to be positive.
jules monkeymedic is a doctor in the uk, they are restricted by the european working time directive and can work no more than 56 hours a week, this will reduce to 48 shortly. your basic pay rate for a junior doctor complient with the ewtd will be £28,976 - £38,336 pa. this will be for the hours worked. a band 6 nurse in the uk (which will be an experienced nurse with generally at least 2 years post qualification) will work a maximum of 37.5 hours each week and the pay rates are £23,458 to £31,779 pa.
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forget the op..i'm thinking troll, also....
i'm just astounded by the details of the work time directive!!!
both nurses and young doc's work way more time here in the us!!!
still, i'll have to stay put..never could get the "colour" "organisation" and "tyre" stuff right:clown:
Specializes in Acute Care Cardiac, Education, Prof Practice.
I haven't really read any of the responses but wonder why people even respond to these type of threads?
I think because everyone sort of gets an instant "level of knowledge" or experience simply by posting here. I think we forget that this is still an open board, with people who can pretend to be anything to instigate whatever their bored little minds can come up with.
Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.
hey monkeymedic, nice name, do you treat animals?
I am the spelling police of the group, and you dear DOCTOR need to learn how to spell. How did you get those A's if you can't spell? Maybe your keyboard is the reason why? Maybe I am being too cynical? Maybe you are trying to make yourself look important? I must ponder on this and come up with a really good answer for you...if you are lucky.
Spelling bloopers aside, I think (think, mind you) the the A's monkeymedic was referring to were the A-levels that people in the UK take after they finish regular school, which, unless I have taken leave of my senses, are called O's. O is for ordinary, i think, A for advanced. A level courses are secondary, much tougher courses that are taken AFTER regular school.
If I get it wrong, you UK folks out there feel free to correct an ignorant Yank!
I haven't really read any of the responses but wonder why people even respond to these type of threads?
I have to be honest, if people didn't reply, I would have no idea what the original post was about. The flow of the writing (or typing, in this case), scrambled my brainwaves. :imbar
Specializes in Nursing Home ,Dementia Care,Neurology..
Spelling bloopers aside, I think (think, mind you) the the A's monkeymedic was referring to were the A-levels that people in the UK take after they finish regular school, which, unless I have taken leave of my senses, are called O's. O is for ordinary, i think, A for advanced. A level courses are secondary, much tougher courses that are taken AFTER regular school.
If I get it wrong, you UK folks out there feel free to correct an ignorant Yank!
'O' levels are usually taken in the fourth year of ,I think what you call High school,age about 15 -16.'A' levels are taken in the fifth and sixth year,age 17-18 at the end of High school.You can also take these exams in College after you have left High school.
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you actually took the time to count? :icon_roll