Nurse to Nurse Bullying

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As a student nurse you spend nearly the entire time in school telling yourself to make it through this last hurdle, dig deep and delve down because once you graduate the pain lessens. You fumble through the most stressful two years of your life between feeling like a walking idiot, to feeling like you can take on the world and solve the world's largest medical mysteries. The last semester comes and you pat yourself on the back for making it to the end. You tell yourself that the next year will be hard with dealing with learning the skill sets of a nurse, understanding time management, and learning prioritization. What you don't understand at that time, is that one of the hardest contentions you will have to deal with is an unspoken problem in the world's most ethical profession; nurse to nurse bullying.

No one wants to admit it is happening on their unit, no one wants to admit it is happening to them, and no one wants to admit there is not really an answer to this problem, that makes it solvable. Even as an author that wants to buck against the system and yell NO I will DEFEND these nurses!” I don't. Even when it is happening to me. Why? I am scared of rocking the boat, most of the behavior is actually encouraged by the leadership of my unit, and they believe it gives new nurses thicker skin”. How do I know they feel this way? They told me so.

When I have tried to speak up before I was told, don't take it personal, have thicker skin, and that my nurse preceptor just says it like it is. I like to think of myself as a pretty tough person. I usually do have pretty thick skin, yet as a new nurse it does make me doubt myself very deeply. What, you may be asking as a reader, am I defining nurse to nurse bullying as? The easy answer is belittling, and talking badly about the new nurse with other nurses. However, I do understand examples are needed to get a true understanding.

A little background: I was told prior to be assigned this preceptor that she is tough, cuts it straight but will also be able to build me into a great nurse. She was all those things and a lot more. She would disappear many times leaving me on my own to figure many things out. If I was ever brave enough to ask something I got eye rolls and a put-out answer (yet one of the most repeatable pieces of advice a new nurse gets is to ask questions and not to be afraid to ask for help!), if I needed her to help me with procedures this is where she would get outright mean! An important aspect to remember throughout this is that she had NO patients or 1-2 MAX just so she could help train me. I am not a complainer, I am an older student so I have world experience behind me as well. I am not meek usually and for the most part I have a mouth that I will certainly use to advocate for my patient but here I was not the one that was trained but instead the one being trained.

Example 1: A patient needed an NG tube. This patient had been eating and drinking all day. The doctor had just changed the patient's status to NPO about an hour earlier. The patient was having an NG tube done to see if the edema the patient was experiencing was due to air, or something else. I was very excited to get another check off done and was up to 4 patients on my med-surg floor. I grabbed all my supplies (I had previously notified her of the procedure, got heaving breathing over my ASCOM and told FINE be right there”) and put them outside the room. Went back to find her and get my glass of water with a straw for the insertion. Here I did stop and tell myself the patient is NPO…but he just went NPO, has other fluids already in the stomach, and insertion without drinking the water could lead to the tube inserting into the lungs therefore it is wiser to use a bit of water. While I was filling up the cup with water here came the preceptor. Instantly she launched into me about why I was getting water. When I tried to explain the only thing I was able to get out was how else am I going to insert the tube” and suddenly I was being berated in the middle of the hallway. Dry swallow had to have been repeated 6-10 times, I kept trying to explain my thought process but was talked over (almost to a yell) and spoken down to. I felt like an idiot and like I had nearly killed my patient or something. I proceeded to mess up the entire day and go home bawling. It is important to note that I did speak up for myself here, I did at one point say that's enough! Be nice! Be nice!” but it never phased her or make her stop.

Example two: I admit I am not the best IV starter. I am not the worst but not the best either. I refuse to stick a patient however blindly. If I am going to stick them then I will either feel a vein or see one (DO NO HARM!). Why in the world would I state this, since it seems like common sense? Because it is important to this example. My patient had previously told me that the IV s/he had was placed by the rapid nurse due to how hard a stick s/he is. When that one lone IV was infiltrated I tried to find a vein. I couldn't even find one on the hand!! At this point I am up to 5 patients and have been on the unit about a 1 ½ months. I am still in training but nearing the end. I cringe as I pick up my ASCOM to notify my preceptor I need help. I know what is coming. I get told I better figure it out and hung up on when I try to ask for help to start the IV. I try really hard not to cry in front of my patient, and be a wuss. So I start at the wrist and work my way up to the armpit with no luck. I had tried before but I knew if I didn't at least try to stick one time I would hear about it. I didn't try though, my patient's comfort and safety came before my own feelings of not wanting to be belittled and yelled at. So I picked up that dreaded ASCOM again and this time I said if you can find a vein I'll be happy to stick it but I can't find even ONE!” This time my preceptor came after I got a fine”. When she couldn't find one either and tried over 6 times before saying the patient either needed a PICC or the rapid nurse, it was very hard for me to not look at her with a smug expression. Very hard!

In the middle of this awful experience I did ask my fellow trainees how they were doing. Their preceptors actually went with them to do everything (even med passes). They never were afraid to ask questions or for help and several times they had heard the way my preceptor talked to me and informed me they would be curled into a ball crying. They complimented my strength and claimed I looked so confident and independent on the floor. That was total fake it tell you make it” at work. When I tried to talk with my management they encouraged my preceptors behavior and then the very week that I decide ok it's time to speak up, they put those same trainees with her to toughen them up”. I am not joking, those exact words were used. My preceptor was being encouraged to toughen us up”. Other trainees have overheard the preceptors throughout the training process talk about us from how slow we are, to how stupid we are.

I have no recourse I can take. There is no avenue I can go to and report without making matters worse. I cannot quit because I am in a town that is monopolized by a very large hospital, and as a new graduate my options are so limited. I cannot go to my upper management for the same reason I cannot go to my immediate supervisor. The bullying or toughening as they call it, has been encouraged and this will only make it worse. So the only thing left to do is to vent, grind down and make the best of it but also make sure to NEVER be that nurse. To point out when I can safely do so what is going on, and when I finally get to claim to be a seasoned nurse or preceptor, make sure I intercede on that new graduates behalf. I can post my story on the internet so that new graduates read it and know they are not alone if this is happening to them. I can point it out to hopefully shame the preceptors that are doing this, even if it is privately. They became a nurse for a reason and hopefully that ability to care for their fellow human beings will reach out to their fellow nurses as well.

My advice from a new graduate to an old battle ax nurse. Remember that we too have a story, that you once were a new graduate and that tough love” really isn't the only way to get your point across. By no means does this imply that new graduates should be coddled or handled with kid gloves. No they should just be treated and spoken to in the same manner you would want to be spoken to and treated as. Most of all remember battle axes one day you may wake up with that nurse you treated like crap standing above you. Pray that she does not hold a grudge!

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Calling experienced/seasoned nurses "old battle-axes" is a different form of bullying. Ageism is just as bad as treating new nurses poorly.

Judging by some of the posts on here, I'd be inclined that it's the newer nurses, not the older ones, who are the problem. I'm sorry but this right here:

When I tried to explain the only thing I was able to get out was how else am I going to insert the tube”
If I were the preceptor and you said that to me the way I can only read it as is - I'd let you sink in the deep end, too.
Specializes in Neuroscience.

So...how exactly is she bullying you?

Specializes in pill pusher, fanny wiper, poker player.

Nurse to nurse bullying unfortunately involves nurses of all levels of experience and age. I have experienced younger nurses (who have no idea what my experience is) talk to me like I'm the idiot. Anyone who is that level of b*****ch **IS*** a bully and has no business precepting.. PERIOD. No one likes to make waves, especially when new on a unit, but it is important to have resources that make you feel comfortable approaching them for help and guidance. And if higher ups aren't supportive, then we must go higher up still. If no support still, then vote with your feet. You will find a place that appreciates you and supports you as you become independent.I am a nurse with 25 years experience. I am now in a new position in the NICU. This is whole new world for me. I have a good base of knowledge and lots of experience but I appreciate the time and effort it takes to orient a new nurse because normally, I would have been the one to do the orienting. I'm lucky to have an orientor who has made my initial transition to this new world much easier than I could have imagined. I only hope that nurses can treat each other kinder. This profession is tough enough without lack of support from our own team mates.

If this person, doesn't provide supervision, why is she a preceptor? You say that supervision and availability are expectations based on the other orientee/preceptor pairs on the floor. Long, ago, you needed to go to the manager or educator about this. I know it is busy, blah, blah, blah BUT she sounds like she should not be a preceptor. Sticking a patient multiple times for an IV is cruel. What does that prove to you? It sure doesn't show her clinical expertise or compassion! Please realize, though, that you also have a responsibility to get yourself out of this situation. Does this person feel she is on vacation and you are there to do all of the tasks, etc for her? What is she doing while you are alone? They need to get this woman out of this role. It is a waste of time and money to have a person with a preceptor who is ineffective. It does not make an orientee effective or ready to complete orientation. Sometimes it drives people to quit, which is a HUGE waste of time and money. In some facilities, being a preceptor is required for clinical ladder, etc. This is a mistake. Some nurses are good nurses, but not good preceptors. They should be allowed to collect data, serve on committees, etc. Orientees also need to be flexible. Many time people end up with a preceptor who is not a good fit, due to multiple scheduling needs/restrictions. You are new and there to learn. A lot of making it happen depends on your own ability, to get yourself in a good situation to facilitate learning. Please do not act like this when you are in the preceptor role. It doesn't 'toughen" anyone up. It turns people off.

My experience with my orienting nurse was much different. She was awesome! My problem came after my 6 weeks of orientation was completed. I was working med/surg. I am a happy friendly person. If I pass someone in the hall, I smile and say hello. I usually don't have problems getting along with people.

During my orientation, I worked days... There was a nurse that could be grumpy, but she didn't give me any problems when I worked the same shift as she did. (Ok, she was more than grumpy, she was downright hateful...but I digress...) She was nice to a few nurses and then just downright hateful to others. You could see that she was miserable. (Her husband had recently left her...I ASSUMED that was why she was always so angry.) I really felt sorry for her, because she was just such an unhappy person. She was so bad that PATIENTS REFUSED to have her as their nurse. She was just an unhappy hateful person. So, what did our supervisor do? SHE MADE HER A CHARGE NURSE!!! UGH! Still I had no issues...then I moved to the night shift when my orientation was over. On our floor, the charge nurse on the shift before you was the one who decided which nurse got which patients. Everything was fine when she was not the charge nurse prior to my shift. The charge nurses would try to group our patients as close to each other as possible unless there were a lot higher acuity or "difficult" patients...then they would try to break those up and distribute them between us so that we didn't get bombarded. I always came in and smiled and said hello to everyone whenever I came in. This is when things started to change. I would smile and tell her hello, just like I did everyone else. The nicer I was to her, the more hateful and rude she was to me....She started giving me dirty looks and rolling her eyes every time I spoke to her. That is when my patients began to change. As long as she was the charge nurse prior to my shift, I got every admission. I got every DC. I got EVERY high acuity, "needy", "high maintenance" patient. It didn't matter if they were at complete opposite ends of the floor...They were all mine. The whole night I would be running. I couldn't even chart when I needed to because I was running all night. I did by initial assessment and charted that, but the rest of the night I had to carry a little spiral with me to jot down any changes, times, etc to chart after I gave report to the oncoming shift. I never got to eat. The only time I was able to go to the bathroom was when I couldn't possibly hold it any longer... (I know...pretty much every nurse goes through this...but the other nurses I was working with didn't have this problem) As the other nurses working with me would sit around the nurses' station reading or chatting, I was RUNNING literally all night. At first I thought, "What is wrong with me?! Am I so terrible at time management?!" I put it all on myself. Then I would have another charge nurse the shift before me and everything was fine. I got my work done without difficulty. I was able to chart and get my work done within 20 minutes of giving report to the oncoming shift..(if not be able to leave as soon as report was given!) I then started realizing that my terrible nights at work were only when this nurse was the charge nurse prior to my shift. I worked 4 12s a week and she worked 3 of the days before me...:yawn: Every night was the same... I knew for certain that it wasn't just all in my head when one of the other nurses I was working with said, "Boy, 'Linda' sure must hate you!" The other nurses all nodded in agreement. I was so thankful to hear that it wasn't just all in my head! It wasn't until I started working with another new nurse six months later that things got better. "Linda" (we shall call her...) HATED this new nurse. The new nurse stood up to "Linda" and didn't take anything off of her... If "linda" was rude/hateful to her, she was rude/hateful right back. As long as I worked a shift with this other nurse, SHE got all the terrible and/or "needy/high maintenance" patients and my night was easy peasy (well, comparatively anyway...lol) When I found myself dreading work so bad that I was praying that I was working with this nurse, I realized I had to say something. (It is not like me to wish something like that on someone! :no: I felt terrible!) I went to my supervisor and told her what was happening. I told her what had been happening...I told her what the other nurses I worked with were saying....I told her what I overheard her tell MY charge nurse---"I don't care how nice she is! Niceness will only cover for stupidity for so long and then stupidity will eventually show it's ugly head! You'll see! She hasn't done anything yet, but she will!" (Apparently niceness/friendliness= stupidity in her eyes...)...I told her about my "good nights" when either I had another charge nurse assign my patients or when I was working with the new nurse that stood up to her... What did I get? "Oh, I just have a hard time believing that...I can't believe she would do that." She refused to believe that this much more "seasoned" nurse would do this...she did nothing. I attempted to transfer to another unit that I frequently floated to...I requested a change to day shift... anything to keep this woman from assigning me my patients. After the unit supervisor on this other unit said that she would love to have me and that she would talk to my supervisor about transfer, I realized this was never going to happen. I was told by my supervisor that they were short at night and already trying to hire 3 other night shift nurses, so there was no way I could transfer to days right now. I saw new nurses hired for days for openings there. They just weren't getting anyone willing to work nights...my supervisor had to ok the transfer to the other unit where there was a day shift open. I couldn't get the ok...That's when I realized that I couldn't do it any longer. I left the job that I had so enjoyed doing when I started. :(

That was nine years ago, and it stuck with me. I am still that happy/friendly person....(so far stupidity hasn't reared it's ugly head...;)) I would handle things differently now if I had it to do over... I wouldn't accept the bullying like I did when I was a new nurse. It has also made me advocate for other nurses when I see them going through what I did. Remember this when YOU are the seasoned nurse! :cool:

Specializes in Managed Care.

WOW!! So sorry to hear about your nightmare. When I was in nursing school, I had an OR rotation (like most) and the hospital's assigned preceptor for this rotation was a true condescending, mean spirited, jerk. It was his job to show the nursing students the ins/outs and dos/don'ts of the perioperative arena. He took every opportunity to belittle, mock, and insult me and my fellow students. Well, one day well into the semester, we were practicing in small groups for our Therapeutic Communication class when the topic of this nurse came up. Our instructor learned of the abuse all of the students were facing and called for an investigation. They interviewed all the nursing students at all phases of the program and the story was the same. Our instructor then went to the hospital with that information and they launched an internal investigation. Turns out even his peers were uncomfortable with what they witnessed him doing. He was fired. This is an extreme situation, and the result s uncommon, but just know that the power of speaking up is so powerful. wrong is wrong and seldom do people behave this way I a vacuum.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
This would be sound advice if most nurses did not have the choice to precept new grads. However, at most facilities, preceptors have volunteered themselves for the position.

Nurses frequently do not have the choice to precept to grads. I'm not sure where you come up with the idea that "at most facilities, preceptors have volunteered themselves for the position", because it hadn't been true at ANY facility at which I have worked.

Not long ago, we had 23 new grads in various phases of orientation in a roughly 75 nurse staff. That meant that 1/3 of the nurses were on orientation and probably another third were around a year in -- or roughly six months off orientation. That left about 20 senior nurses to be main preceptors, and since orientees don't like to follow the preceptor's schedule, the yearlings were "guest preceptors." If you had a pulse and had ever had to renew your license, you were drafted to be the main preceptor for at least one and often two new grads. Plus you were still mentoring your "yearlings" until they'd been off orientation for a year. Even if you'd been precepting nonstop for the past five years and had asked for a break, you were still given an orientee. Even if your mother died or you were caring for a parent with Alzheimer's and were undergoing treatment for cancer. You precepted.

A lot of the orientees claimed to be 'bullied' at that time. I'm pretty sure it was just burned out and overwhelmed preceptors with a low tolerance for bullfeces.

Preceptors are human, too. We all remember what it was like to be new grads, or new orientees. The thing is, not all new grads have any idea what it's like to be preceptors, and most of them are too concerned with their own feelings to think about the feelings of a preceptor.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
My experience with my orienting nurse was much different. She was awesome! My problem came after my 6 weeks of orientation was completed. I was working med/surg. I am a happy friendly person. If I pass someone in the hall, I smile and say hello. I usually don't have problems getting along with people.

During my orientation, I worked days... There was a nurse that could be grumpy, but she didn't give me any problems when I worked the same shift as she did. (Ok, she was more than grumpy, she was downright hateful...but I digress...) She was nice to a few nurses and then just downright hateful to others. You could see that she was miserable. (Her husband had recently left her...I ASSUMED that was why she was always so angry.) I really felt sorry for her, because she was just such an unhappy person. She was so bad that PATIENTS REFUSED to have her as their nurse. She was just an unhappy hateful person. So, what did our supervisor do? SHE MADE HER A CHARGE NURSE!!! UGH! Still I had no issues...then I moved to the night shift when my orientation was over. On our floor, the charge nurse on the shift before you was the one who decided which nurse got which patients. Everything was fine when she was not the charge nurse prior to my shift. The charge nurses would try to group our patients as close to each other as possible unless there were a lot higher acuity or "difficult" patients...then they would try to break those up and distribute them between us so that we didn't get bombarded. I always came in and smiled and said hello to everyone whenever I came in. This is when things started to change. I would smile and tell her hello, just like I did everyone else. The nicer I was to her, the more hateful and rude she was to me....She started giving me dirty looks and rolling her eyes every time I spoke to her. That is when my patients began to change. As long as she was the charge nurse prior to my shift, I got every admission. I got every DC. I got EVERY high acuity, "needy", "high maintenance" patient. It didn't matter if they were at complete opposite ends of the floor...They were all mine. The whole night I would be running. I couldn't even chart when I needed to because I was running all night. I did by initial assessment and charted that, but the rest of the night I had to carry a little spiral with me to jot down any changes, times, etc to chart after I gave report to the oncoming shift. I never got to eat. The only time I was able to go to the bathroom was when I couldn't possibly hold it any longer... (I know...pretty much every nurse goes through this...but the other nurses I was working with didn't have this problem) As the other nurses working with me would sit around the nurses' station reading or chatting, I was RUNNING literally all night. At first I thought, "What is wrong with me?! Am I so terrible at time management?!" I put it all on myself. Then I would have another charge nurse the shift before me and everything was fine. I got my work done without difficulty. I was able to chart and get my work done within 20 minutes of giving report to the oncoming shift..(if not be able to leave as soon as report was given!) I then started realizing that my terrible nights at work were only when this nurse was the charge nurse prior to my shift. I worked 4 12s a week and she worked 3 of the days before me...:yawn: Every night was the same... I knew for certain that it wasn't just all in my head when one of the other nurses I was working with said, "Boy, 'Linda' sure must hate you!" The other nurses all nodded in agreement. I was so thankful to hear that it wasn't just all in my head! It wasn't until I started working with another new nurse six months later that things got better. "Linda" (we shall call her...) HATED this new nurse. The new nurse stood up to "Linda" and didn't take anything off of her... If "linda" was rude/hateful to her, she was rude/hateful right back. As long as I worked a shift with this other nurse, SHE got all the terrible and/or "needy/high maintenance" patients and my night was easy peasy (well, comparatively anyway...lol) When I found myself dreading work so bad that I was praying that I was working with this nurse, I realized I had to say something. (It is not like me to wish something like that on someone! :no: I felt terrible!) I went to my supervisor and told her what was happening. I told her what had been happening...I told her what the other nurses I worked with were saying....I told her what I overheard her tell MY charge nurse---"I don't care how nice she is! Niceness will only cover for stupidity for so long and then stupidity will eventually show it's ugly head! You'll see! She hasn't done anything yet, but she will!" (Apparently niceness/friendliness= stupidity in her eyes...)...I told her about my "good nights" when either I had another charge nurse assign my patients or when I was working with the new nurse that stood up to her... What did I get? "Oh, I just have a hard time believing that...I can't believe she would do that." She refused to believe that this much more "seasoned" nurse would do this...she did nothing. I attempted to transfer to another unit that I frequently floated to...I requested a change to day shift... anything to keep this woman from assigning me my patients. After the unit supervisor on this other unit said that she would love to have me and that she would talk to my supervisor about transfer, I realized this was never going to happen. I was told by my supervisor that they were short at night and already trying to hire 3 other night shift nurses, so there was no way I could transfer to days right now. I saw new nurses hired for days for openings there. They just weren't getting anyone willing to work nights...my supervisor had to ok the transfer to the other unit where there was a day shift open. I couldn't get the ok...That's when I realized that I couldn't do it any longer. I left the job that I had so enjoyed doing when I started. :(

That was nine years ago, and it stuck with me. I am still that happy/friendly person....(so far stupidity hasn't reared it's ugly head...;)) I would handle things differently now if I had it to do over... I wouldn't accept the bullying like I did when I was a new nurse. It has also made me advocate for other nurses when I see them going through what I did. Remember this when YOU are the seasoned nurse! :cool:

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Where were the other members of your team? If they were ALL sitting around reading when you were floundering then it's highly likely that you had a time management problems and they were letting you learn to manage your time.

Specializes in psychiatric.

uh... 'Biter Nurse' ??? Ruby Vee, this gives the "nurses eat their young" cohort some ammo lol

Specializes in ER, Med-surg.
This would be sound advice if most nurses did not have the choice to precept new grads. However, at most facilities, preceptors have volunteered themselves for the position.

Yeah, this is not the case in many, many facilities. There's a strong correlation between "units that need to resort to hiring new grads to staff" and "units that don't have large numbers of experienced nurses," which means that anybody with experience can and will be drafted to the precepting role.

My primary new grad preceptor was a sweetheart and happened to be a pretty good teacher, but she'd been a nurse exactly 14 months longer than I had and we spent a lot of time going to her former preceptor (who was also precepting a new grad at the time) with questions to which neither of us knew the answer. She had definitely not volunteered for the position, and she admitted later, when the preceptorship was over and we had become friends, that she was flatly terrified and felt totally out of her depth trying to teach someone else a job she had only just begun to master herself.

At subsequent jobs I've had some preceptors who didn't even know they were getting an orientee until I showed up on the unit- and some of them made no secret of the fact that they resented the additional workload until they found out I wasn't a helpless new grad or a total incompetent.

I personally enjoy precepting (even though it is a significant workload increase for the majority of the training period) and volunteer to do it, but many, I would even hazard a guess of most, people are not given any choice in the matter.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.
Volunteering to precept does not mean that the volunteer is qualified or appropriateto precept. Some folks with superiority complexes and absolutely no teaching abilities or personality volunteer to precept simply because (in my experience) they feel it their responsibility to educate those less fortunate than herself.

Haha! My Freudian slip. Did anyone else catch that I obviously have a specific nurse in mind?! Caught it too late to edit.

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