Nurse to Nurse Bullying

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As a student nurse you spend nearly the entire time in school telling yourself to make it through this last hurdle, dig deep and delve down because once you graduate the pain lessens. You fumble through the most stressful two years of your life between feeling like a walking idiot, to feeling like you can take on the world and solve the world's largest medical mysteries. The last semester comes and you pat yourself on the back for making it to the end. You tell yourself that the next year will be hard with dealing with learning the skill sets of a nurse, understanding time management, and learning prioritization. What you don't understand at that time, is that one of the hardest contentions you will have to deal with is an unspoken problem in the world's most ethical profession; nurse to nurse bullying.

No one wants to admit it is happening on their unit, no one wants to admit it is happening to them, and no one wants to admit there is not really an answer to this problem, that makes it solvable. Even as an author that wants to buck against the system and yell NO I will DEFEND these nurses!” I don't. Even when it is happening to me. Why? I am scared of rocking the boat, most of the behavior is actually encouraged by the leadership of my unit, and they believe it gives new nurses thicker skin”. How do I know they feel this way? They told me so.

When I have tried to speak up before I was told, don't take it personal, have thicker skin, and that my nurse preceptor just says it like it is. I like to think of myself as a pretty tough person. I usually do have pretty thick skin, yet as a new nurse it does make me doubt myself very deeply. What, you may be asking as a reader, am I defining nurse to nurse bullying as? The easy answer is belittling, and talking badly about the new nurse with other nurses. However, I do understand examples are needed to get a true understanding.

A little background: I was told prior to be assigned this preceptor that she is tough, cuts it straight but will also be able to build me into a great nurse. She was all those things and a lot more. She would disappear many times leaving me on my own to figure many things out. If I was ever brave enough to ask something I got eye rolls and a put-out answer (yet one of the most repeatable pieces of advice a new nurse gets is to ask questions and not to be afraid to ask for help!), if I needed her to help me with procedures this is where she would get outright mean! An important aspect to remember throughout this is that she had NO patients or 1-2 MAX just so she could help train me. I am not a complainer, I am an older student so I have world experience behind me as well. I am not meek usually and for the most part I have a mouth that I will certainly use to advocate for my patient but here I was not the one that was trained but instead the one being trained.

Example 1: A patient needed an NG tube. This patient had been eating and drinking all day. The doctor had just changed the patient's status to NPO about an hour earlier. The patient was having an NG tube done to see if the edema the patient was experiencing was due to air, or something else. I was very excited to get another check off done and was up to 4 patients on my med-surg floor. I grabbed all my supplies (I had previously notified her of the procedure, got heaving breathing over my ASCOM and told FINE be right there”) and put them outside the room. Went back to find her and get my glass of water with a straw for the insertion. Here I did stop and tell myself the patient is NPO…but he just went NPO, has other fluids already in the stomach, and insertion without drinking the water could lead to the tube inserting into the lungs therefore it is wiser to use a bit of water. While I was filling up the cup with water here came the preceptor. Instantly she launched into me about why I was getting water. When I tried to explain the only thing I was able to get out was how else am I going to insert the tube” and suddenly I was being berated in the middle of the hallway. Dry swallow had to have been repeated 6-10 times, I kept trying to explain my thought process but was talked over (almost to a yell) and spoken down to. I felt like an idiot and like I had nearly killed my patient or something. I proceeded to mess up the entire day and go home bawling. It is important to note that I did speak up for myself here, I did at one point say that's enough! Be nice! Be nice!” but it never phased her or make her stop.

Example two: I admit I am not the best IV starter. I am not the worst but not the best either. I refuse to stick a patient however blindly. If I am going to stick them then I will either feel a vein or see one (DO NO HARM!). Why in the world would I state this, since it seems like common sense? Because it is important to this example. My patient had previously told me that the IV s/he had was placed by the rapid nurse due to how hard a stick s/he is. When that one lone IV was infiltrated I tried to find a vein. I couldn't even find one on the hand!! At this point I am up to 5 patients and have been on the unit about a 1 ½ months. I am still in training but nearing the end. I cringe as I pick up my ASCOM to notify my preceptor I need help. I know what is coming. I get told I better figure it out and hung up on when I try to ask for help to start the IV. I try really hard not to cry in front of my patient, and be a wuss. So I start at the wrist and work my way up to the armpit with no luck. I had tried before but I knew if I didn't at least try to stick one time I would hear about it. I didn't try though, my patient's comfort and safety came before my own feelings of not wanting to be belittled and yelled at. So I picked up that dreaded ASCOM again and this time I said if you can find a vein I'll be happy to stick it but I can't find even ONE!” This time my preceptor came after I got a fine”. When she couldn't find one either and tried over 6 times before saying the patient either needed a PICC or the rapid nurse, it was very hard for me to not look at her with a smug expression. Very hard!

In the middle of this awful experience I did ask my fellow trainees how they were doing. Their preceptors actually went with them to do everything (even med passes). They never were afraid to ask questions or for help and several times they had heard the way my preceptor talked to me and informed me they would be curled into a ball crying. They complimented my strength and claimed I looked so confident and independent on the floor. That was total fake it tell you make it” at work. When I tried to talk with my management they encouraged my preceptors behavior and then the very week that I decide ok it's time to speak up, they put those same trainees with her to toughen them up”. I am not joking, those exact words were used. My preceptor was being encouraged to toughen us up”. Other trainees have overheard the preceptors throughout the training process talk about us from how slow we are, to how stupid we are.

I have no recourse I can take. There is no avenue I can go to and report without making matters worse. I cannot quit because I am in a town that is monopolized by a very large hospital, and as a new graduate my options are so limited. I cannot go to my upper management for the same reason I cannot go to my immediate supervisor. The bullying or toughening as they call it, has been encouraged and this will only make it worse. So the only thing left to do is to vent, grind down and make the best of it but also make sure to NEVER be that nurse. To point out when I can safely do so what is going on, and when I finally get to claim to be a seasoned nurse or preceptor, make sure I intercede on that new graduates behalf. I can post my story on the internet so that new graduates read it and know they are not alone if this is happening to them. I can point it out to hopefully shame the preceptors that are doing this, even if it is privately. They became a nurse for a reason and hopefully that ability to care for their fellow human beings will reach out to their fellow nurses as well.

My advice from a new graduate to an old battle ax nurse. Remember that we too have a story, that you once were a new graduate and that tough love” really isn't the only way to get your point across. By no means does this imply that new graduates should be coddled or handled with kid gloves. No they should just be treated and spoken to in the same manner you would want to be spoken to and treated as. Most of all remember battle axes one day you may wake up with that nurse you treated like crap standing above you. Pray that she does not hold a grudge!

Specializes in CVICU CCRN.

Miel, here's the thing. I'm going to make an effort to explain what others have, just one more time. Nursing and healthcare in general is one of those things that you need full and complete context to understand. You're assigning arbitrary labels of "good" and "bad" nurses based on your frame of reference and your ideals; your definitions of those words. There is much more to a good nurse than simply being an effective preceptor and there is much more to safe nursing care than a warm, fuzzy, and likable personality. At this time, despite your personal experiences, you're still viewing the aquarium from the outside, yet forming an opinion about fish behavior based on limited, external understanding.

Additionally, I would really caution you on the sweeping generalizations of poor education and training. People come to this forum to vent as they do all over the internet. Negative experiences are described here because those experiences tend to generate a much stronger emotional response than uneventful or even positive experiences. There are many, many nurses who graduate every day, orient to a unit, and succeed without experiencing poor training, uncomfortable precepting, or the like. The nursing education system, and healthcare education in general has its flaws, but right now it's how we make new caregivers. It is what we have, and I find it radically hard to believe that the vast majority of nurses and nursing students don't wake up every day trying to do the right thing, even if there are flaws in delivery on both sides of the issue.

Finally, nurses and doctors are human. Errors happen. Sentinel events happen. We are fallible. Sometimes we zig when we should have zagged and are forced to learn an incredibly awful lesson when patient harm occurs. Again, most caregivers wake up every day and do the best they can. Some caregivers have taken their own lives over medication errors that resulted in patient harm. Until you have held responsibility for a life, you cannot grasp the full concept of that burden. As medical professionals, we conduct root cause analysis, try to move forward, change policies and practices to prevent systemic, multi-faceted errors. No matter how hard we strive, however, we will never reach perfection.

You seem passionate about improving care. That's good. However, as F. Scott Fitzgerald said, "Reserving judgments is a matter of infinite hope." Please consider doing so; try observing without making judgments about what you see. It will serve you well as you grow in nursing knowledge. And since we are passing on favorite expressions, here is one of mine. In any situation, please consider this: there are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth.

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
Awww....what's wrong? I thought we were having fun.

Please read the mod's message & take it to heart.

But if you are a professional (a teacher) that doesn't mean you post like a middle schooler. There are plenty of educators on here & I don't see them posting messages like tween girls.

Specializes in Acute Mental Health.

I wish the best for the OP. You will get through this! I'm sorry this thread was hijacked when you posted in hopes of support and feedback. Your fellow nurses will always tell straight up. I've gotten really good advice from fellow nurses. I may not have always liked what I was told, but it helped. Good luck to you!

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
Miel, here's the thing. I'm going to make an effort to explain what others have, just one more time. Nursing and healthcare in general is one of those things that you need full and complete context to understand. You're assigning arbitrary labels of "good" and "bad" nurses based on your frame of reference and your ideals; your definitions of those words. There is much more to a good nurse than simply being an effective preceptor, and there is much more to safe nursing care than a warm, fuzzy, and likable personality. At this time, despite your personal experiences, you're still viewing the aquarium from the outside, yet forming an opinion about fish behavior based on limited, external understanding.

Additionally, I would really caution you on the sweeping generalizations of poor education and training. People come to this forum to vent, as they do all over the internet. Negative experiences are described here, because those experiences tend to generate a much stronger emotional response than uneventful or even positive experiences. There are many, many nurses who graduate every day, orient to a unit, and succeed without experiencing poor training, uncomfortable precepting, or the like. The nursing education system, and healthcare education in general has its flaws, but right now, it's how we make new caregivers. It is what we have, and I find it radically hard to believe that the vast majority of nurses and nursing students don't wake up every day trying to do the right thing, even if there are flaws in delivery on both sides of the issue.

Finally, nurses and doctors are human. Errors happen. Sentinel events happen. We are fallible. Sometimes we zig when we should have zagged and are forced to learn an incredibly awful lesson when patient harm occurs. Again, most caregivers wake up every day and do the best they can. Some caregivers have taken their own lives over medication errors that resulted in patient harm. Until you have held responsibility for a life, you cannot grasp the full concept of that burden. As medical professionals, we conduct root cause analysis, try to move forward, change policies and practices to prevent systemic, multi-faceted errors. No matter how hard we strive, however, we will never reach perfection.

You seem passionate about improving care. That's good. However, as F. Scott Fitzgerald said, "Reserving judgments is a matter of infinite hope." Please consider doing so; try observing without making judgments about what you see. It will serve you well as you grow in nursing knowledge. And since we are passing on favorite expressions, here is one of mine. In any situation, please consider this: there are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth.

This is a great message!

Please read the mod's message & take it to heart.

But if you are a professional (a teacher) that doesn't mean you post like a middle schooler. There are plenty of educators on here & I don't see them posting messages like tween girls.

This is what the article spoke about...people who belittle and berate others...because you are nurse, you get to say who is being the bully and the bullied? It's okay for you to call me names(see above and all other posts), but I cannot respond and defend my initial post. I never attacked anyone, I address situations. So, if there are lot of teachers who post, then what's the issue? None. My initial point. The post was about the new nurse...not me...or you...or anyone else...I shared my story...then the bashing begin....when I defend my position, those who are doing the bullying and bashing cry fowl and want my posts removed by the mediator. IF you are a professional, then give advice to the original poster, and not spend time trying to find fault in everything that I post. Peace out!

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
This is what the article spoke about...people who belittle and berate others...because you are nurse, you get to say who is bing the bully and the bullied? It's okay for you to call me names, but I cannot respond and defend my initial post. So, if there are lot of teachers who post, then what's the issue? None. My initial point. The post was about the new nurse...not me...or you...or anyone else...I shared my story...then the bashing begin....when I defend my position, those who are doing the bullying and bashing cry fowl and want my posts removed by the mediator. IF you are a professional, then give advice to the original poster, and not spend time trying to find fault in everything that I post. Peace out!

- The issue is because you are not a nurse or even in nursing school & you are telling other nurses how to *be* a nurse.

- Your posts *were* removed.

- I'm not a bully.

- You have no idea how I operate at work because you never have & never will work with me.

This is what the article spoke about...people who belittle and berate others...because you are nurse, you get to say who is being the bully and the bullied? It's okay for you to call me names(see above and all other posts), but I cannot respond and defend my initial post. I never attacked anyone, I address situations. So, if there are lot of teachers who post, then what's the issue? None. My initial point. The post was about the new nurse...not me...or you...or anyone else...I shared my story...then the bashing begin....when I defend my position, those who are doing the bullying and bashing cry fowl and want my posts removed by the mediator. IF you are a professional, then give advice to the original poster, and not spend time trying to find fault in everything that I post. Peace out!

FOUL!!! Why would we cry about a bird? FOUL!!!

Piece...

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
FOUL!!! Why would we cry about a bird? FOUL!!!

Piece...

LOL! I knew it wouldn't take long until you came in Far!

FOUL!!! Why would we cry about a bird? FOUL!!!

Piece...

That's the best laugh I've had in days. Thanks.

Peace. :inlove:

Really? I'd interpret from it that she's asking for information. Then I'd provide the information, and help her do the procedure. Problem solved.

really? if someone said that to you in person, you would think it wasn't snarky of them? there was definitely a better way to phrase it than saying something like "well how else would I do it" ...

Wow lots of wonderful advice, stories and experiences! Thank you all for those words. First let me correct something I should have defined better I was raised by an RN and "old battle axe" was actually my mom's term when I discussed all this with her. However it had zero to do with age, I am actually over a decade older than my preceptor (I did mention I was an older student).

As to the NPO/NG tube I have found differing opinions on the best course of action here. However the water was never the issue, I understood and I was only asking for clarification of the reasoning and I only literally got out the question once.

Humilation can come in the form of speaking down to someone in front of others. In my example I repeatedly asked her to stop berating me and to be nice. My exact words were STOP BE NICE! When she continued the berating (and by berating I mean repeating dry swallow over 30 times with me going ok, ok, ok not with me arguing with her or disagreeing) this is when I feel she crossed over into bullying.

I was previously in the military so I do feel I have a bit of thick skin, not the thickest certainly but I am not thin skinned baby that will run crying if someone speaks loudly to me or even corrects me. She went too far period.

What are your options at this point? Do you feel that your age difference has anything to do with the behavior of your preceptor? Let me make it clear that I do not, in anyway condone that type of behavior.

I'd look at the facilities policies for direction on how to move this problem up the chain of command. Hopefully there will be a clear set of steps to resolve this. Maybe a meeting with the preceptor, yourself and the supervisor? Or move it further up.

In the meantime, keep your emotions in check. Keep a detailed list of times, dates and behaviors, just in case.

I am a student nurse and an experienced LNA. I have had the "wonderful" experience of being singled out by a few co-workers that acted like a posse. Feeling like you are in no position to challenge the behavior is hard. In my case I felt that the only real option I had, short of quitting, was to put my head down and plow through it. I did my work, helped when they asked and called my charge nurse in to assist me when they would disappear off the floor without letting anyone know. They dug their own holes. One got pushed into retiring. The other was still just as nasty to me the last time I ran into her. All I could do was smile at her. It's nice to know that the sight of me still irritates her. :)

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