Nurse to Nurse Bullying

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As a student nurse you spend nearly the entire time in school telling yourself to make it through this last hurdle, dig deep and delve down because once you graduate the pain lessens. You fumble through the most stressful two years of your life between feeling like a walking idiot, to feeling like you can take on the world and solve the world's largest medical mysteries. The last semester comes and you pat yourself on the back for making it to the end. You tell yourself that the next year will be hard with dealing with learning the skill sets of a nurse, understanding time management, and learning prioritization. What you don't understand at that time, is that one of the hardest contentions you will have to deal with is an unspoken problem in the world's most ethical profession; nurse to nurse bullying.

No one wants to admit it is happening on their unit, no one wants to admit it is happening to them, and no one wants to admit there is not really an answer to this problem, that makes it solvable. Even as an author that wants to buck against the system and yell NO I will DEFEND these nurses!” I don't. Even when it is happening to me. Why? I am scared of rocking the boat, most of the behavior is actually encouraged by the leadership of my unit, and they believe it gives new nurses thicker skin”. How do I know they feel this way? They told me so.

When I have tried to speak up before I was told, don't take it personal, have thicker skin, and that my nurse preceptor just says it like it is. I like to think of myself as a pretty tough person. I usually do have pretty thick skin, yet as a new nurse it does make me doubt myself very deeply. What, you may be asking as a reader, am I defining nurse to nurse bullying as? The easy answer is belittling, and talking badly about the new nurse with other nurses. However, I do understand examples are needed to get a true understanding.

A little background: I was told prior to be assigned this preceptor that she is tough, cuts it straight but will also be able to build me into a great nurse. She was all those things and a lot more. She would disappear many times leaving me on my own to figure many things out. If I was ever brave enough to ask something I got eye rolls and a put-out answer (yet one of the most repeatable pieces of advice a new nurse gets is to ask questions and not to be afraid to ask for help!), if I needed her to help me with procedures this is where she would get outright mean! An important aspect to remember throughout this is that she had NO patients or 1-2 MAX just so she could help train me. I am not a complainer, I am an older student so I have world experience behind me as well. I am not meek usually and for the most part I have a mouth that I will certainly use to advocate for my patient but here I was not the one that was trained but instead the one being trained.

Example 1: A patient needed an NG tube. This patient had been eating and drinking all day. The doctor had just changed the patient's status to NPO about an hour earlier. The patient was having an NG tube done to see if the edema the patient was experiencing was due to air, or something else. I was very excited to get another check off done and was up to 4 patients on my med-surg floor. I grabbed all my supplies (I had previously notified her of the procedure, got heaving breathing over my ASCOM and told FINE be right there”) and put them outside the room. Went back to find her and get my glass of water with a straw for the insertion. Here I did stop and tell myself the patient is NPO…but he just went NPO, has other fluids already in the stomach, and insertion without drinking the water could lead to the tube inserting into the lungs therefore it is wiser to use a bit of water. While I was filling up the cup with water here came the preceptor. Instantly she launched into me about why I was getting water. When I tried to explain the only thing I was able to get out was how else am I going to insert the tube” and suddenly I was being berated in the middle of the hallway. Dry swallow had to have been repeated 6-10 times, I kept trying to explain my thought process but was talked over (almost to a yell) and spoken down to. I felt like an idiot and like I had nearly killed my patient or something. I proceeded to mess up the entire day and go home bawling. It is important to note that I did speak up for myself here, I did at one point say that's enough! Be nice! Be nice!” but it never phased her or make her stop.

Example two: I admit I am not the best IV starter. I am not the worst but not the best either. I refuse to stick a patient however blindly. If I am going to stick them then I will either feel a vein or see one (DO NO HARM!). Why in the world would I state this, since it seems like common sense? Because it is important to this example. My patient had previously told me that the IV s/he had was placed by the rapid nurse due to how hard a stick s/he is. When that one lone IV was infiltrated I tried to find a vein. I couldn't even find one on the hand!! At this point I am up to 5 patients and have been on the unit about a 1 ½ months. I am still in training but nearing the end. I cringe as I pick up my ASCOM to notify my preceptor I need help. I know what is coming. I get told I better figure it out and hung up on when I try to ask for help to start the IV. I try really hard not to cry in front of my patient, and be a wuss. So I start at the wrist and work my way up to the armpit with no luck. I had tried before but I knew if I didn't at least try to stick one time I would hear about it. I didn't try though, my patient's comfort and safety came before my own feelings of not wanting to be belittled and yelled at. So I picked up that dreaded ASCOM again and this time I said if you can find a vein I'll be happy to stick it but I can't find even ONE!” This time my preceptor came after I got a fine”. When she couldn't find one either and tried over 6 times before saying the patient either needed a PICC or the rapid nurse, it was very hard for me to not look at her with a smug expression. Very hard!

In the middle of this awful experience I did ask my fellow trainees how they were doing. Their preceptors actually went with them to do everything (even med passes). They never were afraid to ask questions or for help and several times they had heard the way my preceptor talked to me and informed me they would be curled into a ball crying. They complimented my strength and claimed I looked so confident and independent on the floor. That was total fake it tell you make it” at work. When I tried to talk with my management they encouraged my preceptors behavior and then the very week that I decide ok it's time to speak up, they put those same trainees with her to toughen them up”. I am not joking, those exact words were used. My preceptor was being encouraged to toughen us up”. Other trainees have overheard the preceptors throughout the training process talk about us from how slow we are, to how stupid we are.

I have no recourse I can take. There is no avenue I can go to and report without making matters worse. I cannot quit because I am in a town that is monopolized by a very large hospital, and as a new graduate my options are so limited. I cannot go to my upper management for the same reason I cannot go to my immediate supervisor. The bullying or toughening as they call it, has been encouraged and this will only make it worse. So the only thing left to do is to vent, grind down and make the best of it but also make sure to NEVER be that nurse. To point out when I can safely do so what is going on, and when I finally get to claim to be a seasoned nurse or preceptor, make sure I intercede on that new graduates behalf. I can post my story on the internet so that new graduates read it and know they are not alone if this is happening to them. I can point it out to hopefully shame the preceptors that are doing this, even if it is privately. They became a nurse for a reason and hopefully that ability to care for their fellow human beings will reach out to their fellow nurses as well.

My advice from a new graduate to an old battle ax nurse. Remember that we too have a story, that you once were a new graduate and that tough love” really isn't the only way to get your point across. By no means does this imply that new graduates should be coddled or handled with kid gloves. No they should just be treated and spoken to in the same manner you would want to be spoken to and treated as. Most of all remember battle axes one day you may wake up with that nurse you treated like crap standing above you. Pray that she does not hold a grudge!

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.
uh... 'Biter Nurse' ??? Ruby Vee this gives the "nurses eat their young" cohort some ammo lol[/quote']

?? Because she asked for paragraphs?

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
uh... 'Biter Nurse' ??? Ruby Vee this gives the "nurses eat their young" cohort some ammo lol[/quote']

Just converting an ugly (and misspelled) insult to a positive.

Specializes in psychiatric.
Just converting an ugly (and misspelled) insult to a positive.

Haha, Love it!

Calling experienced/seasoned nurses "old battle-axes" is a different form of bullying. Ageism is just as bad as treating new nurses poorly.

You say battle- axe like its a bad thing:saint:

Reading this article was very interesting, as I consider the RN who wrote it to be very brave. I've watched Micheal Moore's movie "Sicko" about the healthcare industry in our country that outlined the insurance companies and their failure to ensure the American people. I've also read in various articles, have watched on the news, and have known several people whose relatives have been victims of medical errors, sometimes to the point of resulting in fatalities. A classmate of mine lost her mother due to a fatality made by a nurse on her ward. The family received a hefty settlement, but their mother who died at the young age of 47 will never be replaced.

Which brings me to the purpose of my little prologue...see...I'm interested in becoming a nurse after years as an educator. Upon reading this article and many like it, and most importantly the comments of "toughen up" and "it's not the poor preceptors fault" it sheds light on the reasons for the numerous errors in the healthcare industry, and why most folks will tell you "I don't like hospitals" and will wait until they are quite ill prior to going to seek medical assistance. There is NO EXCUSE FOR POOR PRECEPTORS....NONE! I CANNOT SAY IT ENOUGH - "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NEW NURSE OR THE OLDER NURSE ITS ABOUT THE PATIENT...YES!!! THE PATIENT!!!" I don't care if you've been working 1 day or 101 years! As a patient, I want you to provide help AND TOP-NOTCH HEALTHCARE. Period. It is unacceptable to not properly train nurses and leave them on the floor when they are to be learning, WITHOUT an adequate preceptor/help. Hanging up in the nurse's face when she asked for help is unacceptable. She wasn't calling you to ask you for a personal favor, rather professional guidance. I can have a "thick skin", but ZERO TOLERANCE to behavior that adversely affect patient health/experience.

I see it in education where new teachers rely on the older teachers for guidance on classrooom management and academic skills, and older teachers bully, berate, and ignore those teachers. Who suffers? The students...THE STUDENTS WHO REALLY WANT TO LEARN AND GET INTO A GOOD COLLEGE AND GET GOOD GRADES AND GOOD SAT/ACT SCORES...because they forget what it's like to be a new teacher, or that they are there for the STUDENTS...it's not about you, your issues, and B**l S***! it's about the students! In medicine it's about the patients! So I would put all of my concerns in writting, so when something happens...nobody is coming for my license. If a hosptial what to have some ignorant person on deck, and not care about patient care...fine. But I will not go down with the Titanic!

Specializes in ER, cardiac, addictions.

Hey, I'm an old nurse, and I don't take offense at the term "battle axe," if the nurse it's being aimed at is in the habit of eating his/her young.

I've experienced my share of bullying preceptors, too. One stopped bullying when I broke down and told her in no uncertain terms that her behavior was destructive and unprofessional. Another stopped bullying when she realized, one day, that she'd gone much too far and made a complete ass of herself. But, in my 35 years' experience, I've come to believe that bullying is primarily a management issue. Show me a bullying preceptor and an intimidated new nurse, and I'll show you a manager who's not paying attention to the problem.

I'm lucky. I work in the ER (which can be a great breeding ground for bullies); yet the current staff there works well together, and is supportive of each other. Interestingly, the two or three nurses there who had bullying tendencies were all terminated eventually. They were all good nurses, too. I can't know if they were terminated because of a bad attitude toward some of the newer nurses, or if it was something else, but in each case general workplace morale improved afterward.

This might not be much help to you, but the point of it is that bullying is much less likely to happen in a workplace where it's strongly discouraged. If worst comes to worst, you might consider a change of unit (or employer). Bullying is not inevitable on nursing units, and managers shouldn't treat it as such.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.
Reading this article was very interesting, as I consider the RN who wrote it to be very brave. I've watched Micheal Moore's movie "Sicko" about the healthcare industry in our country that outlined the insurance companies and their failure to ensure the American people. I've also read in various articles, have watched on the news, and have known several people whose relatives have been victims of medical errors, sometimes to the point of resulting in fatalities. A classmate of mine lost her mother due to a fatality made by a nurse on her ward. The family received a hefty settlement, but their mother who died at the young age of 47 will never be replaced.

Which brings me to the purpose of my little prologue (This is a prologue? To what?)..see...I'm interested in becoming a nurse after years as an educator. Upon reading this article (this is not an article, it is a posting on the internet, and as such, does not constitute research of any type) and many like it, and most importantly the comments of "toughen up" and "it's not the poor preceptors fault" it sheds light on the reasons for the numerous errors in the healthcare industry, and why most folks will tell you "I don't like hospitals" and will wait until they are quite ill prior to going to seek medical assistance. There is NO EXCUSE FOR POOR PRECEPTORS....NONE! I CANNOT SAY IT ENOUGH - "IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NEW NURSE OR THE OLDER NURSE ITS ABOUT THE PATIENT...YES!!! THE PATIENT!!!" (Really? Don't think any of us knew that.) I don't care if you've been working 1 day or 101 years! As a patient, I want you to provide help AND TOP-NOTCH HEALTHCARE. Period. It is unacceptable to not properly train nurses (two negatives equal a positive) and leave them on the floor when they are to be learning, WITHOUT an adequate preceptor/help. Hanging up in the nurse's face when she asked for help is unacceptable. She wasn't calling you to ask you for a personal favor, rather professional guidance. I can have a "thick skin", but ZERO TOLERANCE to behavior that adversely affect patient health/experience.

I see it in education where new teachers rely on the older teachers for guidance on classrooom management and academic skills, and older teachers bully, berate, and ignore those teachers. Who suffers? The students...THE STUDENTS WHO REALLY WANT TO LEARN AND GET INTO A GOOD COLLEGE AND GET GOOD GRADES AND GOOD SAT/ACT SCORES...because they forget what it's like to be a new teacher, or that they are there for the STUDENTS...it's not about you, your issues, and B**l S***! it's about the students! In medicine it's about the patients! So I would put all of my concerns in writting (you're a teacher?) so when something happens...nobody is coming for my license. If a hosptial what to have (what?) some ignorant person on deck, and not care about patient care...fine. But I will not go down with the Titanic! (I find your angst and defiance a bit strange, considering that you have developed these scenarios without so much as setting a foot in nursing school.)

Hmmmmm, interesting.

Not sure how I feel about a non-nurse posting on a nursing forum in order to tell nurses how to be nurses.

Specializes in Behavioral Health.
I've experienced my share of bullying preceptors, too. One stopped bullying when I broke down and told her in no uncertain terms that her behavior was destructive and unprofessional. Another stopped bullying when she realized, one day, that she'd gone much too far and made a complete ass of herself. But, in my 35 years' experience, I've come to believe that bullying is primarily a management issue. Show me a bullying preceptor and an intimidated new nurse, and I'll show you a manager who's not paying attention to the problem.

This is true. Research on the factors that lead to workplace aggression shows that hierarchies, high stress, low consequences, and weak/absent/disengaged/ineffectual management are all things that encourage people in positions of authority to take out their stress on those beneath them. Management is important because a unit culture doesn't turn into the Lord of the Flies over night, and people tend to start small and get worse over time as they get away with it.

It's also true that we've spent so much time talking about NETY that now some new grads think every criticism is bullying, and that's not good either, because... well, they're new grads and they're going to need criticisms. Also, it makes it harder to identify real issues. Being a preceptor is a lot of work, especially in the beginning when everything takes ten times longer. It's a shame we conscript nurses into doing it - and that there are frequently staffing situations that necessitate this - because just cranks the unit stress level up. Which puts you in a perfect position to have aggression toward the "source" of frustration (that new nurse who is just going to shut up and take it because they're afraid to rock the boat).

It's really a lose-lose situation, because on units where bullying is really happening typically there are a lot of unhappy people... which is all the more reason to leave as soon as you can, IMHO.

ETA: I was just spurred by your post... most of this is just my rambling thoughts on bullying that I've posted before.

Specializes in Hospital medicine; NP precepting; staff education.
Hey, I'm an old nurse, and I don't take offense at the term "battle axe," if the nurse it's being aimed at is in the habit of eating his/her young.

I've experienced my share of bullying preceptors, too. One stopped bullying when I broke down and told her in no uncertain terms that her behavior was destructive and unprofessional. Another stopped bullying when she realized, one day, that she'd gone much too far and made a complete ass of herself. But, in my 35 years' experience, I've come to believe that bullying is primarily a management issue. Show me a bullying preceptor and an intimidated new nurse, and I'll show you a manager who's not paying attention to the problem.

I'm lucky. I work in the ER (which can be a great breeding ground for bullies); yet the current staff there works well together, and is supportive of each other. Interestingly, the two or three nurses there who had bullying tendencies were all terminated eventually. They were all good nurses, too. I can't know if they were terminated because of a bad attitude toward some of the newer nurses, or if it was something else, but in each case general workplace morale improved afterward.

This might not be much help to you, but the point of it is that bullying is much less likely to happen in a workplace where it's strongly discouraged. If worst comes to worst, you might consider a change of unit (or employer). Bullying is not inevitable on nursing units, and managers shouldn't treat it as such.

HERE, HERE!

Sounds vaguely familiar! Our ED morale was also improved by removing the chaff.

Specializes in Hospital medicine; NP precepting; staff education.

As a formal mentor to a new grad or two this season, for which I applied and was approved, selected, I have paperwork to fill out each week that discusses their strengths, weaknesses, and goals. I fill it out with the preceptee and we discuss my rationale for my comments. Additionally, as the day goes by I take mini-breaks with the grad and ask for them to give me some debriefing/reflection on their experience so far. (I also need their feedback so I can adjust my teaching style).

States away, my preceptee texted me back today (after I recommended she add a drug to her list to look up) and it makes me feel wonderful to have this rapport with her. I truly hope I'm doing her some good. She said she's having a good time and had the opportunity to help in a new procedure (that not even some of my peers have helped with yet...I have, and have actually been the patient for that procedure...but I digress.)

I'm a bit proud of my baby nurse!

Specializes in Hospital medicine; NP precepting; staff education.

Oh, and as to compensation for this task...I do get preceptor pay (I think it's an extra 1-3 dollars an hour) AND it goes toward my clinical ladder application.

Going for tier three for the second year in a row...Yeah, baby!

Specializes in Acute Mental Health.

I wondered why she went to her supervisor instead of talking directly to the charge nurse who was giving her these assignments.... And why her coworkers weren't stepping up...

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