Now this....the crazy just keeps getting crazier

PGrabby · Jul 15, 2020

4 hours ago, juniper222 said:
The data is being sent to HHS, not some "secret" Trump facility.

It may as well be with the inept loyalists he has "running" HHS which has nothing at all of the expertise with infectious disease, like, you know, what the CDC is chartered to do and has done for 65 years.

PGrabby · Jul 15, 2020

2 hours ago, NewRN'16 said:
He should just go play golf for the next 5 months and stop endangering our lives.

from your keyboard to God's ear.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 15, 2020

The CDC has been consistently inconsistent. Thankfully, the Trump administration intends to purge many of these bad apples from the federal bureaucracy:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-CDC-overhaul-coronavirus-335039

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 15, 2020

This is getting serious --attempt to circumvent COVID data collection by CDC and public awareness of testing, positive cases and deaths. Misuse of National Guard --use them for COVID testing and critical hospital/SNF staffing. Karen

Trump administration recommends the National Guard as an option to help hospitals report coronavirus data

Move eliminates the CDC as a data recipient, raising concerns among public health experts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/13/trump-administration-recommend-national-guard-an-option-help-hospitals-report-covid-19-data/

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 15, 2020

CNN

7/14/20

HHS confirms coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to DC instead of CDC

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... Michael Caputo, the assistant secretary for public affairs at the department, confirmed the change first reported by The New York Times earlier in the day, saying in a statement that the "new faster and complete data system is what our nation needs to defeat the coronavirus and the CDC, an operating division of HHS, will certainly participate in this streamlined all-of-government response. They will simply no longer control it."
"The CDC's old hospital data gathering operation once worked well monitoring hospital information across the country, but it's an inadequate system today," Caputo said in the statement.
The Times said hospitals are to begin reporting the data to HHS on Wednesday, noting also that the "database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-CDC/index.html

BINGO --highlighted statement " info not open to the public" unlike current CDC info publicly viewable. Trump admin will try to hide extent of pandemic.

Especially concerned after listening to Dr. Redfield CDC Directors JAMA Coronavirus Update interview today: "predicts this fall and Winter will be 'one of the most difficult times we've experienced in American public health' ... Keeping healthcare system from being overstretched"

NurseBlaq · Jul 15, 2020

30 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:
This is getting serious --attempt to circumvent COVID data collection by CDC and public awareness of testing, positive cases and deaths. Misuse of National Guard --use them for COVID testing and critical hospital/SNF staffing. Karen
Trump administration recommends the National Guard as an option to help hospitals report coronavirus data
Move eliminates the CDC as a data recipient, raising concerns among public health experts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/13/trump-administration-recommend-national-guard-an-option-help-hospitals-report-covid-19-data/

Why does he need the national guard for covid data? There's something sinister going on here.

NewRN'16, ADN, RN · Jul 15, 2020

1 minute ago, NRSKarenRN said:
CNN
7/14/20
HHS confirms coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to DC instead of CDC

BINGO --highlighted statement " info not open to the public" unlike current CDC info.

This is becoming scary. So basically the orange one decided, out of sight, out of mind???

You can't make this up, not even Hollywood would have wrote this in a script, as it appears surreal.

And his sheeple are are still adoring him and going with it.

Unbelievable.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 15, 2020

Four of the nation's former top health officials Drs. Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser --worked under Republican and Democrat presidents spoke out today out in a scathing Washington Post op-ED. Richard Besser has been very active past week appearing on cable talk shows combating Trump administration COVID disinformation.

We ran the CDC. No president ever politicized its science the way Trump has.

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The administration is undermining public health
We’re seeing the terrible effect of undermining the CDC play out in our population. Willful disregard for public health guidelines is, unsurprisingly, leading to a sharp rise in infections and deaths. America now stands as a global outlier in the coronavirus pandemic. This tragic indictment of our efforts is even more egregious in light of the disproportionate impact we’ve witnessed on communities of color and lower-income essential workers. China, using the same mitigation tools available to us and with a far larger population, has had just a tiny fraction of the 3.1 million cases reported here. The United States now has more cases and deaths than any other country and the sixth-highest rate of any large country in the world — and we are gaining on the other five. The United States is home to a quarter of the world’s reported coronavirus infections and deaths, despite being home to only 4.4 percent of the global population.
Sadly, we are not even close to having the virus under control. Quite the opposite, in fact....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/14/CDC-directors-trump-politics/

HandsOffMySteth · Jul 15, 2020

3 hours ago, PGrabby said:
this is ridiculous.
The CDC is chock full of infectious disease experts, PHD's, statisticians, public health experts and the like. HHS is an administrative wing largely managing Medicare /Medicaid policy.
HHS is "led" by two Trump loyalists that know nothing about any of this. The ONLY reason for this would be political manipulation at the expense of the citizenry.

Did you even read the PDF?

"On March 29, 2020, Vice President Pence sent a letter to hospital administrators across the country requesting daily data reports on testing, capacity and utilization, and patient flows to facilitate the public health response to the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19). Many separate governmental entities are requesting similar information, resulting in stakeholder requests to reduce duplication and minimize reporting burden. This document details the FederalGovernment’s data needs, explains the division of reporting responsibility between hospitals and states, and provides clear, flexible options for the timely delivery of this critical information. The objective is to allow states and hospitals either to leverage existing data reporting capabilities or, where those capabilities are insufficient, to provide guidance in how to build upon existing capabilities. These FAQs will be posted to the various HHS and HHS division websites, and will be as necessary."

You are making some big unsubstantiated claims about why this is being done. But I guess you know more than everyone who is actually involved in this.?

MelsPool · Jul 15, 2020

On 7/14/2020 at 6:57 PM, toomuchbaloney said:
IMV, it's another attempt to more fully bring CDC messaging under political control. This is a very dangerous symptom for the health of our republic.

It's very interesting that this just happens to coincide with todays headlines that are saying the models are now projecting 240,000 COVID 19 deaths by end November givne the latest infections in fl, nc, ga, tx, etc.

Does anyone else remember when "only" 60,000 deaths was supposed to be an accomplishment?

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 15, 2020

Fox News article on why Washington needs info:

Hospital coronavirus data to bypass CDC for Trump administration database in Washington

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...Michael R. Caputo, a Health and Human Services spokesman, told the New York Times, which first reported the shift, that “the new, faster and complete data system is what our nation needs to defeat the coronavirus, and the CDC, an operating division of HHS, will certainly participate in this streamlined all-of-government response. They will simply no longer control it.
Today, the CDC still has at least a week lag in reporting hospital data. America requires it in real time,” a HHS spokesman said

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hospital-coronavirus-data-CDC-trump-washington-dc-health-human-services

MelsPool · Jul 15, 2020

17 hours ago, juniper222 said:
Did you even read the PDF?
"On March 29, 2020, Vice President Pence sent a letter to hospital administrators across the country requesting daily data reports on testing, capacity and utilization, and patient flows to facilitate the public health response to the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19). Many separate governmental entities are requesting similar information, resulting in stakeholder requests to reduce duplication and minimize reporting burden. This document details the FederalGovernment’s data needs, explains the division of reporting responsibility between hospitals and states, and provides clear, flexible options for the timely delivery of this critical information. The objective is to allow states and hospitals either to leverage existing data reporting capabilities or, where those capabilities are insufficient, to provide guidance in how to build upon existing capabilities. These FAQs will be posted to the various HHS and HHS division websites, and will be as necessary."
You are making some big unsubstantiated claims about why this is being done. But I guess you know more than everyone who is actually involved in this.?

They are instructing hospitals to bypass the CDC prevent data from being publicly viewable/accessible *just as models are projecting 240,000 deaths by November) and we're supposed to be reassured by statments from Mike Pence the guy who bungled the HIV crisis in his own state and was in charge of the national response to Covid 19?????????

I know you must be joking.