New health care bill..

whichone'spink, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

Increase, which is good. But at the same time...what about the level of care? Remember that NON-medical people can go to school (a Master's degree in French Lit as an example) and become a mid-level practitioners.
Do you want one of those as your primary?

PAs yes. Not NPs, I hope. I would rather have an NP that has years of experience at the bedside than a PA who may not have a previous degree in the sciences or healthcare related.

PostOpPrincess, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

PAs yes. Not NPs, I hope. I would rather have an NP that has years of experience at the bedside than a PA who may not have a previous degree in the sciences or healthcare related.

I agree. The problem is that we will have an influx of NEW CROPS of nurses going into NP school without experience.

I don't want one of those either.

PineappleCrush · Mar 22, 2010

How will this Healthcare Reform Bill affect us? Or will it? And when?

I am really interested to see what people say in regards to this. I have been trying to find a STRAIGHT answer about what exactly was passed about an hour ago... but I still am getting biased news that is only telling one side.

I want REAL information as to what this bill is ACTUALLY going to do for healthcare. And for us, as healthcare providers. And for the future of our careers....

Does anyone have any links to factual articles or anything (I'm talking something that isn't by FOX or any place super biased one way or the other)?

:heartbeat

imintrouble, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

I'm trying to be optimistic.

imintrouble, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

I work in a small rural hospital. 50-75% of our pts are either medicare or medicaid. We are barely staying afloat and that's before this bill passed.

Medicare reimbursement is going to be cut, to help pay for the cost of the bill. The way I see it, they're taking money away from the old to give to the young who have no insurance. Depending on where you stand, that's a good thing or a bad thing. Since my job depends on medicare, I'm thinking it's not such a great thing.

All staff where I work have taken a pay cut, and no raise for a year. That's before tonight. I'm not hopeful about the future. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Emergency RN · Mar 22, 2010

of course we're going to have to pay more for this; but guess what? we were going to have to pay more for this to begin with. what this bill does is take more of the money that would have gone to the insurance company shareholder and turned it back into patient care. frankly, what we really need in the us is a socialized model. and no, it isn't communism. that's what the insurance companies want you to believe, to scare you and other people away.

the fact of the matter is, we have socialized services already. the public education system is one example. your police department is another. so is the fire and sanitation departments. do you pay out of pocket for any of those? you can if you want to, but most places in the us, those are socialized services provided from government taxes. there isn't any reason why the government can't be used to provide services for it's shareholders; that is, it's citizens. granted, there will always be people who want to get more by paying extra. well, they can if they want. however, socialized medicine will ensure that everyone has at least some form of care. and every penny will go back into the system instead of into multi-million dollar salaries for executives.

people only think the private insurance companies are better because they have good lobbyists. the ugly fact is, they spend millions on paying off politicians, make millions on ever increasing premiums, and then deny claims or balk when a patient really becomes sick.

i remember when clinton tried to do this, and they beat him down with the same exact strategy of scare mongering americans with "the red menace" that social medicine was supposed to be. so they defeated it. what was the result? insurance company's got richer year after year while the state of american health got poorer and poorer. if the hmo's that came about then, were really as good for america as the industry claimed back then, then why are we here at the same crossroads today?

the bottom line is, they're making too much money and they're doing their damnedest not to let go of a golden goose. wake up america. we were hornswoggled back then by big insurance and they're trying to do it again. for my money, give me big government over big insurance any day of the week. at least with big government, we can vote them out every four years.

:twocents:

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

I work in a small rural hospital where 50-75% of pts are either medicare or medicaid. Maybe 10% of pts have no health care and no way to pay their bill. With the cuts in medicare that will occur with the passing of this bill, I honestly don't see how my facility can stay afloat. All staff where I work have taken a pay cut, and no raise for a year. That's before this bill passed.

Four Hospitals in MA are going under since they are Medicare and Medcaid dependent.

Kooky Korky, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

Oh lord, I wont say what will or wont happen. We cant say what will or wont happen with this Reform until the results happen. No sense in being negative or ornery

How about just realistic?

And if we just "wait and see", it will be too late to easily change it, won't it?

LovebugLPN · Mar 22, 2010

Where is my dang thumbs down button when I need it? :confused: This is going to be a headache.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

of course we're going to have to pay more for this; but guess what? we were going to have to pay more for this to begin with. what this bill does is take more of the money that would have gone to the insurance company shareholder and turned it back into patient care. frankly, what we really need in the us is a socialized model. and no, it isn't communism. that's what the insurance companies want you to believe, to scare you and other people away.
the fact of the matter is, we have socialized services already. the public education system is one example. your police department is another. so is the fire and sanitation departments. do you pay out of pocket for any of those? you can if you want to, but most places in the us, those are socialized services provided from government taxes. there isn't any reason why the government can't be used to provide services for it's shareholders; that is, it's citizens. granted, there will always be people who want to get more by paying extra. well, they can if they want. however, socialized medicine will ensure that everyone has at least some form of care. and every penny will go back into the system instead of into multi-million dollar salaries for executives.
people only think the private insurance companies are better because they have good lobbyists. the ugly fact is, they spend millions on paying off politicians, make millions on ever increasing premiums, and then deny claims or balk when a patient really becomes sick.
i remember when clinton tried to do this, and they beat him down with the same exact strategy of scare mongering americans with "the red menace" that social medicine was supposed to be. so they defeated it. what was the result? insurance company's got richer year after year while the state of american health got poorer and poorer. if the hmo's that came about then, were really as good for america as the industry claimed back then, then why are we here at the same crossroads today?
the bottom line is, they're making too much money and they're doing their damnedest not to let go of a golden goose. wake up america. we were hornswoggled back then by big insurance and they're trying to do it again. for my money, give me big government over big insurance any day of the week. at least with big government, we can vote them out every four years.

wow, i have lived through breast cancer when i had a dreaded hmo, i had nothing but a positive experience, i can't say the same when i have dealt with medicare from my parents. health insurance profits only account for 2% of every dollar, health insurance also paid for your last raise (yes you can kiss any raises away).

Kooky Korky, BSN, RN · Mar 22, 2010

Just like with the stimulus bill, and the PATRIOT act, the people who voted for this have no bleeding idea of what this will do. Nobody does.

I do. We can kiss our Bill of Rights goodbye. :crying2:

Saysfaa · Mar 22, 2010

pineapple, there is no source that is unbiased, especially for a topic like this. even sources that try to report just facts, pick which facts they include.

that said, try www.heartland.org.

they are biased, but at least they tell you what their biases are and they generally do a good job of using peer-reviewed research to form their conclusions rather than unsubstantiated claims.

this one is a study of what has happened in states that passed similar provisions http://www.heartland.org/custom/semod_policybot/pdf/3439.pdf