Need some help/recommendations following removal from nursing school

netglow, ASN, RN · Mar 14, 2010

Good luck OP,

Always remember to just let it roll off you. Simply do not react when they try to bait you. Keep the knowledge that some of these people do have mental issues. Look at your mental health references and you will gain some insight, hint: personality disorder characteristics (Foundations of Psychiatric Mental Health Nursing, A Clinical Approach -Varcarolis, Carson, Shoemaker)

-inflexible and maladaptive response to stress

-disability in working and loving

-ability to evoke interpersonal conflict

-capacity to "get under the skin" of others

...add a dash of manipulative, aggressive, and impulsive tendencies and you are off to the races, aren't you.

You cannot reason with this type. That is not your job. Your mission is just to get your RN, and get out of Waco. :up:

mlb69 · Mar 25, 2010

Yes.. 2nd full week back and everything seems fine... Kinda upset that I have to make up 5 tests this week before spring break, but, whatever... Pretty sure I passed all of them but I was confused with the cardiac test w/ volume increase/decrease with pulmon stenosis, too much resistance.. I knew the information but the words they described them were different and I choked a little. Anyhow, I honestly do not care. Yes I want to finish, but, hey I have been driven threw the ringer and just need sometime to sit back and relax :) Oh, thats right, I have 2 semester care plans due after spring break

HyperSaurus, RN, BSN · Mar 25, 2010

Sound quite horrible. They didn't let you take the classes while you were in the appeal process?

SandraCVRN · Mar 25, 2010

Well the main point is why does there have to be games? We are ALL adults paying these instructors to teach us. I have learned a lot from my teachers, while I have learned a lot of nursing as a profession. If nursing is suppose to be this "compassionate, caring" profession why do they have instructors like this? To me it makes absolutely no sense.

This IS why we need more men in nursing!!!! Females tend to not want to rock the boat, etc I said "tend" before everyone rips me a new one, LOL

I also saw the games but I went to school later in life. As much as we fight to not be seen as "handmadiens, etc, teaching us not to cause trouble contributes to this problem.

As others have said, document, document, document, keep a ledger of dates and time you see other students do what you are being repremanded for.

Good luck.

pink987 · Mar 25, 2010

What is Excelsior?

caliotter3 · Mar 25, 2010

Excelsior College has a distance nursing progam that many students have used to get their AS in nursing. They also have a distance BSN and MSN program. http://www.excelsior.edu

allthesmallthings · Mar 26, 2010

From my experience, learning in NS was all in what I made of it. I couldn't waste my time wishing things/teachers/situations were always "calm, cool, and collective" This was the real world... this was nursing
If I wanted this (my education) bad enough, I had to learn to play the game (so to speak) I am an adult learner & I had to take responsibility for what I was going to get out of my education
I can still remember my 1st NS instructor telling us (after she had changed the class/clinical days & times again for the 5th time): "well adaptability & flexibility are the essence of nursing"
boy, was I p****d at the time, but now looking back this was one of the best things she taught me :)

Disagree. You pay instructors to do their job, not a half-a-- job of it, and then mouth off, "Well, it doesn't matter how I behave, it'll just help you." As a nurse now, I get paid to do my job, not to perform inferiorly and then say it's "good " for my patients, because "It'll get them used to the real world." What the heck? I expect performance for pay from any other worker in any service field. You're allowing your instructors to cop-out.

The teacher-student relationship is like the nurse-patient relationship; it's not "hang in there while I get my s- together and don't complain," because the student or patient is in a position of needing help; it's just an integral part of the teacher/nurse job to be professional and look out for the student/patient. Their own minds/bodies will learn/heal on their own; the teacher/nurse looks out for their needs and supports them.

KaseyP · Mar 26, 2010

I agree you wth whole heartedly!! I say the same thing all the time! Maybe it's because I'm thirty-something, I don't know, But the instructors are there to teach me! To ensure I get the best educational experience as possible. If they feel that one of their students is not up to snuff, then maybe they need to take a good long look at their teaching abilities because I don't know any student that chooses to take on thousands of dollars of debt just to screw it up and throw it all away! We are the reasons why these instructors have a job to go to every morning, and isn't that just wonderful in such a down economy-to have a job to begin with! It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance I am constantly faced with when it comes to instructors...they treat us as though we were a bunch of children! I had one instructor that wouldn't allow you access to class unless you did an entire write up of a given disease, etiology, patho, etc., etc. And this same instructor showed up late, used her "compromised immune system" as a crutch to get out of doing her job efficiently, and I just wanted to shake her, wake her up and say: "HELLO!!! DIDN'T YOU GET THE MEMO? I'M PAYING YOU; YOU WORK FOR ME!! NOW DO YOUR JOB AND TEACH!!" I apologize if I seem harsh to any of you, but nothing frustrates me more than an instructor who throws their weight around by dismissing a student who has worked so hard at trying to acheive their goal of becoming a nurse only to be dismissed and thrown away like a piece of trash! I mean, if you were smart enough to get into the program, then you're smart enough to make it through to the end. :twocents:

~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN · Mar 26, 2010

I agree you wth whole heartedly!! I say the same thing all the time! Maybe it's because I'm thirty-something, I don't know, But the instructors are there to teach me! To ensure I get the best educational experience as possible. If they feel that one of their students is not up to snuff, then maybe they need to take a good long look at their teaching abilities because I don't know any student that chooses to take on thousands of dollars of debt just to screw it up and throw it all away! We are the reasons why these instructors have a job to go to every morning, and isn't that just wonderful in such a down economy-to have a job to begin with! It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance I am constantly faced with when it comes to instructors...they treat us as though we were a bunch of children! I had one instructor that wouldn't allow you access to class unless you did an entire write up of a given disease, etiology, patho, etc., etc. And this same instructor showed up late, used her "compromised immune system" as a crutch to get out of doing her job efficiently, and I just wanted to shake her, wake her up and say: "HELLO!!! DIDN'T YOU GET THE MEMO? I'M PAYING YOU; YOU WORK FOR ME!! NOW DO YOUR JOB AND TEACH!!" I apologize if I seem harsh to any of you, but nothing frustrates me more than an instructor who throws their weight around by dismissing a student who has worked so hard at trying to acheive their goal of becoming a nurse only to be dismissed and thrown away like a piece of trash! I mean, if you were smart enough to get into the program, then you're smart enough to make it through to the end.

Completely disagree with this bolded part mainly, but most of your post overall, for one, the motto of "I'm paying you, you work for ME" starts the attitude of entitlement. It's not a good attitude to have, and although tuition costs do go towards teachers salaries, they are not your personal assistant you picked up off craigslist to hire. They are smarter then you, wiser then you, more experienced then you, when it comes to being a nurse. You said yourself that anyone that gets in is smart enough to make it to the end, well these instructors got in and made it to the end as well, and went on to get higher degrees to know even more.

Second, nursing school is a different ball game then the Pre Reqs needed to get in. Granted I know their are crappy schools and teachers out there, every single profession has it's bad apples. BUT just because you got into nursing school doesn't mean you can hack it once in school. Nurses are responsible for LIVES!!! This should not be taken lightly.

Our society is becoming so obscured with this, "Everyone is a winner" mentality. No everyone is not a winner, no you can't do anything in life you want, sure you can try, but that doesn't mean you will be good at it. Example, it should be, "sorry little April, your singing is horrendous and as your mother I am telling you that American Idol is not the next stop for you." Instead in our society it's, "well if you want to sing you can, sure give up school and college and this and that to pursue your singing career, when even babies cry every time you belt out a tune."

Not everyone is cut out to be a nurse, some realize that in school, some realize that once they are out in the field and some realize that before even pursuing that direction. We need standards and unfortunately, not everyone meets those standards or the grades. That is life! Either try to find where you went wrong, fix it and go after it again, or find something you are better at.

What do you expect the schools to do after someone fails?? Weekly support and encouragement calls?

I have heard people complain about my schools program a lot, talk about how they don't care, they expect to much, said much of the same that was said in bold, I call BS on it all. Our instructors are VERY SUPPORTIVE. They encourage you to come see them as soon as you start doing bad, we have free tutoring services at my school and when you are a nursing student your request gets priority and rushed. We have counseling services, stress relief services, help for learning disabilities, all of this for free. Yet their are still people in my program that if they aren't doing well place the blame on everyone else and are so appalled by the fact.

Disclaimer~ My post is only in response to the bolded statement and nothing else. I am perfectly aware that not every school and teacher are great and have great resources, I am generally speaking.

KaseyP · Mar 26, 2010

I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when I pay good money for a service, I expect to be satisfied. I do not have a sense of entitlement nor do I treat my instructors as though they were my endentured servants. I consider my education to be a contract between myself and the institution that I choose to attend. I pay the institution for an education, that's my end of the bargain, and the institution provides me with the best education and instructors that my money can buy. You can take my opinion anyway you want, but to insinuate that my attitude towards a below average instructor is in any way derrogatory to all instructors is just obtuse. I have had many insructors who have gone above and beyond in their teachings, but that is not what this thread was about...It was about a gentlman who was dismissed from a program because his instructors no longer wanted to have him in their class! He did nothing to excuse the misguided, ill-attemped malfeasance of these two teachers and as a result,was re-instated back into the program! And further on in this thread, other students also have had similar experiences. I have been around long enough to be able to notice when I see an individual who is burned out, hates their job and forgets why they decided to go down the career path that they chose for themselves in the first place..it is at this point that an individual needs to ask themselves: " Am I really making a difference anymore and am I still impacting others in a positive way?" I don't care what profession you're in, once you have acquired a skill, then you apply that skill and use it to the best of your ability and make it a fulfilling experience, not only to those that you may impact on a daily basis, but also to yourself!

klone, MSN, RN · Mar 26, 2010

Wow. Is it really that bad for males in nursing? Coming from anyone but a staff member here, I wouldn't have paid that much attention to this statement. Maybe I'm naive or idealistic.
I guess my eyes have been opened, and I'll be even more supportive of my male counterparts.

My husband experienced a very hostile work environment and what appeared to everyone on the outside, a deliberate smear campaign in his first job out of nursing school (a med/tele floor). So yes, it definitely can be that bad for men in nursing.

klone, MSN, RN · Mar 26, 2010

And BTW, as someone who works L&D, a hemoglobin of 9 in a pregnant or PP patient wouldn't even register a second glance, assuming she is asymptomatic.