In my last role as a school nurse there was a girl who, at the age of 11 told her parents she wanted to be a boy. So,, the parents did what they could and got help from various doctors and experts, and over the course of the next 3 years I got to know this student well, and regardless of what I thought on the matter, was able to support this student. The student knew I had a different perspective but we had a good working relationship and this student appreciated a different perspective eg I disagreed with the hormone blockers, chest compression brace and eventual male hormones.
Anyway, during this student's time here, 2 close female friends of the student decided they were trans as well. The thing is, I believed they were not trans. I knew both of them had serious family issues, including a family divorce, and had also gone through the gambit of self harm - from cutting, eating disorders etc. But the rest of the group of girls all agreed they were trans, and encouraged this.
At about the same time this was happening, Brown university came out with a study looking into ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoria) which showed that the vast majority of the teens and young adults coming out as trans, were not actually trans. They cited various issues, including media pressure as well as underlying, unresolved psychological issues. Unfortunately, because this study was not 'affirming' of their transition, the study was withdrawn due to media pressure.
Anyway, regardless of my thoughts, these students were sent to the pediatric psychologist, who promptly refused to see them. I knew the psychologist very and and she confided in me that it's far too dangerous a minefield and she could easily lose her licence. She said that basically, any opinion that did not affirm someone as trans risked it all. A second pediatric psychologist I knew also refused to see them.
Anyway, the school decided to go along with one of the girl's requests to be called a boy. I was not happy to do this, but did ask my manager if the girl's parents were aware we were calling their daughter a boy. My manager said 'Yes' the parents were aware.
I was not convinced I was being told the truth, and about one week after being told the parents were aware, the headmaster had a talk with us in the health center, and told us that if we have any communication with the parents, not to call their daughter a boy or use her boy name ie we were told to lie to the parents.
I was not happy to do this, and quit. And now I'm in the middle of the Australian desert having new adventures.
You are indoctrinated and it's and any further time spent in dialogue with you is a waste of time. You are part of the problem. You are the reason we are at war. Yes, there is a war going on, and it's a war that is targeting our schools and our children, and you're on the wrong side and don't know it. There is no reconciliation with the insanity of the left because they actually believe they're morally right, and as such, condone any action to further their ends.
You are the enemy.
Ah, so my first thought was correct, those kids at your former job are really lucky that you're far far away from them. I'm thinking it's not them who are mentally ill....
No, you're wrong. You're also very judgmental of the psychologist who decline these patients. You're basically choosing to ignore the political agenda around trans issues, and as a result are causing more harm. Think about that for a moment - you are harming children.
Yes, it is a mental illness, and in fact there is a doctor who has treated over 500 cases of gender dysphoria and had a 98% success rate of helping them accept their biological gender. But the world doesn't know about this because his work has been removed from as much media sources as possible, and his name turned to mud. I'll see if I can still track him down though, to send you the details.
No, denying trans people living their gender is what is harmful. Using a different pronoun than you expect or a different name isn’t.
It’s incredibly paternalistic to impose your gender norms on the people you care for. It’s a violation of their autonomy.
And trans healthcare is “politicized” because that community has had to and continues to have to fight for basic rights and respect within and outside the medical world. The healthcare world isn’t neutral and there’s a long history of bias against any groups that aren’t white, cis, heterosexual male and politics is what has changed and is changing that.
The DSM does not change that often. Psychiatrists, and the DSM-5, have gender dysphoria, as a diagnosis. I see liberals hating that diagnosis and wanting to ignore it.
The treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning and support.
To say gender identity and sexual orientation are completely different is utterly wrong. How the hell can you say something so utterly wrong. For the entirety of human history people have not needed a DSM or psychiatrists to show this.
Who you are attracted to and how you see yourself aren’t the same thing. This isn’t even a logical argument.
I get you have catalystic issues but I am actually curious as the name implies.
What about the post triggered such anger instead of possibly educating me?
I AM educating you. What I am not doing is placating you.
Please learn the difference.
If your objective here, is really TO learn, then you will learn. If its merely to troll a post about transgender people with a bunch of homophobic rhetoric then I think I will pass on continuing to try to help you see THE FOREST, when all you choose to look at are the trees.
I AM educating you. What I am not doing is placating you.
Please learn the difference.
If your objective here, is really TO learn, then you will learn. If its merely to troll a post about transgender people with a bunch of homophobic rhetoric then I think I will pass on continuing to try to help you see THE FOREST, when all you choose to look at are the trees.
There is no trolling. I simply don't understand the explosion of genders. Homosexuality I understand. Seems logical to me. The different genders appears illogical.
You have to understand that I am a dumb heterosexual male with all of the idiotic, unthinking expectations. We have very little depth. I don't know how to express emotions or even seek advice etc. We grow up feeling and believing that we have to solve all of our problems individually. We use force instead of subtlety. I have had to train myself to think and employ people to do the details because I know I am incapable.
Genders are so far out of my comprehension, you won't believe.
I don't understand the broad range of sexual genders evident today and I don't like not knowing about something.
There is no actual range.
look this is a long post. Please read the whole thing. I spent about an hour on my phone thumb typing this ish for you, boy. So you betta read it. Man to man. OK? Safe place, I promise.
There is male and female, that some people just identify as separate.
Then there are females that HAVE a primarily male gender identity as well as a lesser prominent, but just as recognized by them, and as such, a part of their identity, female one.
Then there are people who have a primarily female identity, as well as a lesser prominent, but still very much a part of their identity, male one.
The same is true, vice versa, for males.
There are also people who identify as 100% male and 100% female, and each part of their gender identity is an extremely important part of who they are as a person. Some embrace each pronoun and are not offended by either he or she. Some people have what I consider SUCH a strong connection to both genders, that they actually get offended by being called EITHER gender pronoun, since that offends their strongly, equally identified, countergender.
So for them, "They" is the preferred pronoun, as it is a matter of either hearing that, or hearing SHE and having their toxic male take over and start a fking bar fight. Or hearing HIM, and feeling like they were disrespected as a lady, almost as much as a pregnant woman being slammed to the ground, would feel. It's just a strong connection to each gender, for them.
For some, there is very little gender connection at all, I think. IDK much about those people. I have only personally known people who have very strong connections with both of their gender identities.
KEEP READING LOL
OK so to put things in perspective, you identify as a male, to the point that you even think its your solemn duty to engage in toxic masculinity. Whatever. But that said, that male you identify as, is JUST LIKE how a person like me, identifies her own male gender, and its EQUALLY as much of a very unchanging part of who I am, as your identity as a male is an unchanging part of who you are. It doesnt matter about reproductive organs. Identity isn't defined solely by our gonads and our outward appearance. Otherwise, you would just be a man, and nothing else. I would just be a woman, and nothing more.
Look at the nearest plastic water bottle. It's plastic. It looks the same, recycles the same, and is made in pretty similar ways. That bottle can contain many different types of drinks. Lets just say its bottled water. And when I use this metaphor, I want you to envision the natural gender of whatever trans or non binary person you are confused about.
All bottled water is not equal. Often its sourced from various aquifers, some of which have more nutrients than others, and some of which have significantly different tastes. Sure its water and you can simplify it down to that. But, Aquafina is nothing like Zephyrhills. Nestle is not like Crystal Springs. And so on.
They are similar. You are ONLY EVER sure that a new brand of bottled water you try, is water. It may not taste like your usual Dasani or Fiji water, but you can drink it. It's properties are essentially almost the same across the board.
But they are DIFFERENT.
One species of tree, say an Oak tree, similarly, can produce different looking trees from the others. It's still an oak. You know its an oak. But again, everything isn't a clone of everything else. It never really is.
Now, YOUR preference, seems to lean towards only really appreciating those large and mighty, well established oak trees and one specific bottled water brand.
Now, my little water brand may not be everyones favorite. My male female mixture of hydration may not be your preference. But its my brand. It's how I was sourced and bottled. You neednt drink from my water bottle to simply appreciate that my mixture of Fiji and Zephyrhills waters are a part of my identity. You neednt take on my identity. Nobody is saying you should.
But if my mixture comes into your er or doctors office, you damned sure better not discriminate against me, just because you wouldnt want to BE mixed the way I was.
I totally get that you arent down with that. But thats who I am, and nothing will ever change that. Nothing CAN change that. It's WHO I AM. Just like being male is who you are, for me, being told people don't understand how I can identify as a male, absent having male genitalia, is the equivalent to me saying "I don't understand how you can identify as being male."
It strikes a chord. It's offensive. To me, ME being part male is JUST AS IMPORTANT to me, as being ONLY male is, to you.
Im telling ya, man. If I have to explain this again, Im definitely calling you ma'am. Maybe then you will have the decency to see how important this is to us.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
@Gillyboo very well said and explained, thank you!
Edited to piggy back off of the last sentence “This is just who we are.” It’s not up to an individual to try to pick apart WHY someone is that way, identifies the way they do, is attracted (or not) to whom ever they’re attracted to and it becomes offensive when individuals try to do this and find out what’s “wrong” with someone that they would identify or feel this way.
Much like it isn’t okay when men feel like they need to understand what “caused” someone to be a lesbian as if it has to be caused by some trauma or internal struggle instead of that just being who that person is. The frustration comes in because those same people don’t feel the need to figure out what “caused” someone to be heterosexual. And often times it is blanketed by statements like “I don’t get it but I respect it” and then try to theorize WHY. But I question whether someone can truly respect it if they truly don’t understand it.
Both of you Jaded and Gilly are making gender appear subjective. I place no importance in emotions which can change with circumstances or perspectives. What are the clinical aspects? I'm me through hormones and ignorance. For some reason you guys don't seem to appreciate just how ignorant men are about certain subject matters. We can appease by pretending but we are lying. It's almost a biological response this inability to actually learn certain things. I can give you the utmost respect and fight for your right to be who you want to be all day, but why can't I watch two men kissing on a television program? It's probably the same for a lesbian thinking of a man touching her.
What's the Chemistry, the hormones for the spectrum of gender roles? Especially as my research shows that administered hormones can induce change. Is there a specific dosage to induce different gender choices or titration for specific results?
It cannot simply be subjective because we know hormones induce change! If I woke up tomorrow and I am suddenly breathless. Wouldn't I be getting some labs or assessing reasons? Allergies, a PFT, worry about my cardiac function etc? I would rule out physical reasons. My point being that if an actual physical reason is found, only the very ignorant can doubt or refute without actually demonstrating their actual flawed character!
My parents have brainwashed their children to process, extrapolate everything! A misogynist or a racist or any sort of judgemental person will eventually turn that judgment to you because it's their nature! They are not to be trusted and must be treated very cautiously! There's a segment of the population that seems to have a problem with LGBTQ people and their legislators are making the environment difficult. No one can argue with science or if their financial rewards are threatened. Scientific evidence is a step in the right direction!
And because of this fact, which we are all now painfully well aware of, I strongly believe that only a licensed psychiatrist can help you.
What you NEED, is not any more explanations, but more likely, professional help.
You know this. We know this. Now, if you really wish to learn anything, you might go ahead and schedule an appointment with a licensed psychiatrist who can better explain your issues, and help you through them.
I said this is a safe place. But, neither I nor anyone else on here can help you with your own mental health deficits, obsessively homophobic complex, strict gender role upbringing, or the toxic masculinity and recurrent attention seeking behavior you obviously continuously engage in.
We simply arent your therapists, and this isn't a safe enough place for you to continue on this line of self doubt.
In good health. I am praying that you get some help soon.
Its the sane ones who seek therapy. The ones who don't, are usually the crazy ones that cant be trusted.
And because of this fact, which we are all now painfully well aware of, I strongly believe that only a licensed psychiatrist can help you.
What you NEED, is not any more explanations, but more likely, professional help.
You know this. We know this. Now, if you really wish to learn anything, you might go ahead and schedule an appointment with a licensed psychiatrist who can better explain your issues, and help you through them.
I said this is a safe place. But, neither I nor anyone else on here can help you with your own mental health deficits, obsessively homophobic complex, strict gender role upbringing, or the toxic masculinity and recurrent attention seeking behavior you obviously continuously engage in.
We simply arent your therapists, and this isn't a safe enough place for you to continue on this line of self doubt.
In good health. I am praying that you get some help soon.
Its the sane ones who seek therapy. The ones who don't, are usually the crazy ones that cant be trusted.
Peace be with you.
Xo
Can you recommend some of the ones you have used ??????
Nunya, BSN
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Ah, so my first thought was correct, those kids at your former job are really lucky that you're far far away from them. I'm thinking it's not them who are mentally ill....