In my last role as a school nurse there was a girl who, at the age of 11 told her parents she wanted to be a boy. So,, the parents did what they could and got help from various doctors and experts, and over the course of the next 3 years I got to know this student well, and regardless of what I thought on the matter, was able to support this student. The student knew I had a different perspective but we had a good working relationship and this student appreciated a different perspective eg I disagreed with the hormone blockers, chest compression brace and eventual male hormones.
Anyway, during this student's time here, 2 close female friends of the student decided they were trans as well. The thing is, I believed they were not trans. I knew both of them had serious family issues, including a family divorce, and had also gone through the gambit of self harm - from cutting, eating disorders etc. But the rest of the group of girls all agreed they were trans, and encouraged this.
At about the same time this was happening, Brown university came out with a study looking into ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoria) which showed that the vast majority of the teens and young adults coming out as trans, were not actually trans. They cited various issues, including media pressure as well as underlying, unresolved psychological issues. Unfortunately, because this study was not 'affirming' of their transition, the study was withdrawn due to media pressure.
Anyway, regardless of my thoughts, these students were sent to the pediatric psychologist, who promptly refused to see them. I knew the psychologist very and and she confided in me that it's far too dangerous a minefield and she could easily lose her licence. She said that basically, any opinion that did not affirm someone as trans risked it all. A second pediatric psychologist I knew also refused to see them.
Anyway, the school decided to go along with one of the girl's requests to be called a boy. I was not happy to do this, but did ask my manager if the girl's parents were aware we were calling their daughter a boy. My manager said 'Yes' the parents were aware.
I was not convinced I was being told the truth, and about one week after being told the parents were aware, the headmaster had a talk with us in the health center, and told us that if we have any communication with the parents, not to call their daughter a boy or use her boy name ie we were told to lie to the parents.
I was not happy to do this, and quit. And now I'm in the middle of the Australian desert having new adventures.
You're a very insightful, intelligent person, don't you wonder about the biological factors?
Men, women.... Simple.
What's the biological advantage of the different gender range? If gender is so heavily influenced by hormones, can you for instance, reverse or reduce the emotional effect through treatment if the individual requests it?
There's numerous stories of evangelicals being extremely judgemental and praying the gay away, as if it is some disorder, without even considering the needs of the individual. Many societies lead with their ignorance and based on posts inflict serious emotional and sometimes physical harm. It's easy for liberated, accepting minds but there are many people out there that see it differently. I see this as the same issue as people ostracizing different types of people AND it shouldn't be so! I feel almost on a biological level re male homosexuality but I also have education and decency to suppress any judgment. Why don't I feel that way about women homosexuality? Am I just another hypocrite? I was brought up to accept everyone as they are and I always do. But, I don't understand the broad range of sexual genders evident today and I don't like not knowing about something.
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10 hours ago, Curious1997 said:
Why don't I feel that way about women homosexuality?
Probably because you find it attractive. I know a lot of guys that are fine with lesbian sex (as long as they find the 2 women attractive), but feel turned off by gay male sex. I guess you can't help how you feel, but try not to over sexualize lesbians and make them feel uncomfortable or unsafe, and try not to express your disgust toward gay men. Different people have different sexual tastes, and we don't need to shame others who don't share our taste, unless they are assaulting people or pressuring to do things they don't want to do.
Interestingly, straight women watch more lesbian Media than men, according to Media Hub's yearly data... and I'm sure they have a lot of data! I wonder if because it tends to focus more on female pleasure? Or if female sexuality really is more fluid? I'm not sure, but maybe when have time will look into it LOL it was kind of fun to look into the top categories based on gender, but they did not include what trans or ninbinary people watched = (
Probably because you find it attractive. I know a lot of guys that are fine with lesbian sex (as long as they find the 2 women attractive), but feel turned off by gay male sex. I guess you can't help how you feel, but try not to over sexualize lesbians and make them feel uncomfortable or unsafe, and try not to express your disgust toward gay men. Different people have different sexual tastes, and we don't need to shame others who don't share our taste, unless they are assaulting people or pressuring to do things they don't want to do.
Interestingly, straight women watch more lesbian Media than men, according to Media Hub's yearly data... and I'm sure they have a lot of data! I wonder if because it tends to focus more on female pleasure? Or if female sexuality really is more fluid? I'm not sure, but maybe when have time will look into it LOL it was kind of fun to look into the top categories based on gender, but they did not include what trans or ninbinary people watched = (
Actually, I'm disgusted by my own reactions to male gay sex! I'm a huge proponent for non judgementalness and I am being betrayed by my own reactions. Why? This is why I am asking the questions. Education might lead to insight and help me negotiate the irrationality of my reactions.
I didn't learn this from my parents who had never once discriminated against anyone verbally or physically. They never spoke about it but it was always evident. You would suffer consequences if you spoke ill of anyone except cowardice! If you allowed anyone to bully you in any way shape or form and didn't respond by kicking ***, you would be in serious trouble if they found out. It's why I have a very low tolerance for bullies.
And I do like lesbian sex but not really engaging. They are really too inexperienced for me. But as the name implies, I am actually a really curious person and I am very interested in the trend of so many sexual genders. I don't like not knowing about things! I understand practically everything except philosophy which is too abstract or I am too thick, but this explosion of genders is baffling.
And I do like lesbian sex but not really engaging. They are really too inexperienced for me.
And you were wondering why I find this thread strange? This is a prime example of a very odd comment.
I think generally on a forum where relative strangers interact, it’s safe to assume that unless posters expressly tell you otherwise, they really aren’t all that interested in other posters sexual exploits and ruminations.
I know you know by the reactions you’re getting that your mental meanderings aren’t well received. Why continue?
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I think I will leave this thread now, was trying to have a real discussion about sexuality and gender, but now it is just turning into a critique of lesbian Media, which as @klone stated above, can be discussed on many places on the internet besides a professional nursing website! Good luck with your exploration and curiosity regarding LGBTQ issues, and I hope you will find a more patient lesbian to answer the rest of you questions, LOL = )
I think it is important to be able to talk about sexuality more openly, but talking about ones' specific taste on a non sex related forum probably isn't wise. There are many forums that would welcome that type of discussion on other parts of the internet...
And you were wondering why I find this thread strange? This is a prime example of a very odd comment.
I think generally on a forum where relative strangers interact, it’s safe to assume that unless posters expressly tell you otherwise, they really aren’t all that interested in other posters sexual exploits and ruminations.
I know you know by the reactions you’re getting that your mental meanderings aren’t well received. Why continue?
I think that was a tiny bit of what I said. It is America Macawake and unfortunately grabby statements sometimes encourage people to look deeper instead of the usual skimming we normally do. More importantly it separates the chaff from the wheat!
There are quite a few posters that you have to read between the lines to understand what's meant by not judging a book by its cover.
Don't know if you ever worked Psych but you have to look past the presenting sxs which are frequently a result of the illness, to actually see the person underneath to be able to engage.
There's a concept here called profiling, that makes a lot of assumptions about people to achieve negative outcomes. If you don't look, dress or behave in a certain way, you are not taken seriously or you don't belong! What's amazing about it, is how much of it dominates Americans lives. We have two political parties. We are segregated by race, neighborhoods, incomes, cars, houses, clothing, educational almas, jobs, age, gender, orientation, height, weight and so much more. It's actually fascinating to observe when you are aware of it.
In my age demographic, you will not believe how much I have to dumb down my vocabulary or interests to fit in! Even the older educated people patronize me because it is not the package they envisage and you have to convince them.
It's so much different in the UK and Europe where generally people have their own lives and business so they are not concerned about yours. Therefore you can mostly interact freely without the required caricatures I have to display here. Except for Sweden of course, you folks don't seem to like talking much. At least my cousins and relatives don't.
Possibly, because people are complicated and some of us aren't hypocrites?
I'm the sum of many parts as are all of you! You portray an image that you want the world to see but you have different versions under cover.
When you don't need other people's affirmations is when you truly become free. I live for me and to satisfy all of my complicated parts. So far I like having these different aspects. I say, pay attention to the three fingers pointing back at yourselves when you decide to point at others!
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You're a very insightful, intelligent person, don't you wonder about the biological factors?
Men, women.... Simple.
What's the biological advantage of the different gender range? If gender is so heavily influenced by hormones, can you for instance, reverse or reduce the emotional effect through treatment if the individual requests it?
There's numerous stories of evangelicals being extremely judgemental and praying the gay away, as if it is some disorder, without even considering the needs of the individual. Many societies lead with their ignorance and based on posts inflict serious emotional and sometimes physical harm. It's easy for liberated, accepting minds but there are many people out there that see it differently. I see this as the same issue as people ostracizing different types of people AND it shouldn't be so! I feel almost on a biological level re male homosexuality but I also have education and decency to suppress any judgment. Why don't I feel that way about women homosexuality? Am I just another hypocrite? I was brought up to accept everyone as they are and I always do. But, I don't understand the broad range of sexual genders evident today and I don't like not knowing about something.