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Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

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There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. You are reading page 9 of Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

coughdrop.2.go has 3 years experience and works as a Public Health Nurse.

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I'm pretty sure no one has said vaccines are 100% safe. Anyone who does needs to check their facts. Medications aren't 100% safe either. Antibiotics and birth control are big ones with serious adverse reactions. ANY vaccine or medication can cause side effects in anyone. A good friend of mine died from a blood clot related to her birth control. She isn't a smoker or did not have high blood pressure or any of the other high risk issues.

Here is actual data on Vaccine compensation with # of cases filled, compensated, and dismissed per vaccine type from 1988-2014. Summary: 3,562 compensated and 9,755 dismissed. Then there is an awesome chart on doses administered from 2006 to present and number of cases filled, dismissed, and compensated for comparison. Total distributed doses: 1,968,399,297; total compensated: 1,328; total dismissed: 1,074. This means since 2006 0.0000000674% of doses administered got some form of compensation from 2006-2014.

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf

As for the court cases with autism, the COURT determined there was a link. There is still no SCIENTIFIC proof there is a link. Furthermore the parents argued that the vaccine caused "encephalopathy....in the form of asthma and ASD" and the court agreed. And assuming that all 1,328 children above developed autism from the 1 billion doses administered it still doesn't explain the increase in ASD.

CDC | Data and Statistics | Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) | NCBDDD

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses

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As for the court cases with autism, the COURT determined there was a link. There is still no SCIENTIFIC proof there is a link. Furthermore the parents argued that the vaccine caused "encephalopathy....in the form of asthma and ASD" and the court agreed. And assuming that all 1,328 children above developed autism from the 1 billion doses administered it still doesn't explain the increase in ASD.

CDC | Data and Statistics | Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) | NCBDDD

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses

That is an excellent point! I rather doubt any judge or lawyer went to law school AND medical school. I can't even imagine how much that would cost :yes:

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Everything we do everyday has some sort of risk. You presume to go to the doctor or hospital to get better and any medication could cause a possible adverse reaction and any procedure could have a complication. Yes we get it, some people have been injured due to vaccines but they also help the majority of people.

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coughdrop.2.go has 3 years experience and works as a Public Health Nurse.

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Everything we do everyday has some sort of risk. You presume to go to the doctor or hospital to get better and any medication could cause a possible adverse reaction and any procedure could have a complication. Yes we get it, some people have been injured due to vaccines but they also help the majority of people.

Yes! How do you not trust your Doctor's opinion for vaccines but you are okay with him/her prescribing your kid antibiotics and acetaminophen! I kinda get if you're anti-vax and have a herbal remedy belief for ailments and avoid the medical community. It's ridiculous to believe the "false" info about vaccines, but all other medication out there is fare game.

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Perhaps if you did some research with a dictionary, you'd see the word vax does not pertain to vaccines or vaccination.

Everything in life carries a risk. We need to think about the risks vs. the benefits. Are vaccines 100% safe? Maybe not, but show me something that is.

I'm of the age when vaccines were new and I vividly remember lining up for the new polio vaccine. I also vividly remember the older kids in the neighbor hood who HAD polio.

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hmm, just as an aside, I knew one lawyer who went back to school at about 45 to become a md....

That is an excellent point! I rather doubt any judge or lawyer went to law school AND medical school. I can't even imagine how much that would cost :yes:

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hmm, just as an aside, I knew one lawyer who went back to school at about 45 to become a md....

I know many docs who became lawyers too.

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I did not read all of the responses. From personal experience, I had measles at age 25. My temp was almost 105 and I felt incredibly ill. My body was covered with the measles rash. It did not itch. I felt hot and weak. I thought I had meningitis and thought I might die. I really felt so bad, I didn't care. My liver was also enlarged and my liver enzymes were elevated. I was vaccinated as an infant, but earlier than the recommended time. Since I had been vaccinated, they had a difficult time diagnosing my illness. Another person at the hospital where I worked was diagnosed with measles and the health department wanted to test me. It turned out, I had atypical measles syndrome which occurs in vaccinated people exposed to "wild" measles. Atypical measles syndrome: unusual hepa... [Am J Med Sci. 1981 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI

Never, ever would I want my children or grandchildren to be as ill as I was. I have parents born in the early part of the 20th century who had these diseases as children. They suffered terribly and knew of other kids who died. If you can avoid these diseases, why not take the precaution? Death is not the only consequence. Children can suffer lifelong sequelae, including neurological impairment. The rare child will have a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine. The risk is of death or disability is substantially less than the risk we take when we go on a car ride with our kids. It is true, as in my case, that sometimes vaccines are not effective. That too is the exception, not the rule.

It never ceases to amaze me who parents choose to believe when it comes to vaccines. The propaganda spread by Andrew Wakefield was a lie meant only to advance his position and prestige. Jenny McCarthy is an uninformed celebrity and the mom of a child suffering. Of course, she wants something we can identify and blame to explain her son's illness. That is human nature. It does not mean what she says is true. You would not go to a wood cutter for heart surgery. Why do you think that celebrities and known liars know better than respected scientists, pediatricians, and our nursing colleagues? Vaccinations save lives. What one does for one's own family, is to a great extent a private matter. However, because there are some children who cannot get vaccinated due to health conditions and those for whom vaccines do not confer immunity, by decreasing the percentage of vaccinated individuals, a parent's uninformed choices may put many people at risk.

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I did not read all of the responses. From personal experience, I had measles at age 25. My temp was almost 105 and I felt incredibly ill. My body was covered with the measles rash. It did not itch. I felt hot and weak. I thought I had meningitis and thought I might die. I really felt so bad, I didn't care. My liver was also enlarged and my liver enzymes were elevated. I was vaccinated as an infant, but earlier than the recommended time. Since I had been vaccinated, they had a difficult time diagnosing my illness. Another person at the hospital where I worked was diagnosed with measles and the health department wanted to test me. It turned out, I had atypical measles syndrome which occurs in vaccinated people exposed to "wild" measles. Atypical measles syndrome: unusual hepa... [Am J Med Sci. 1981 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI

Never, ever would I want my children or grandchildren to be as ill as I was. I have parents born in the early part of the 20th century who had these diseases as children. They suffered terribly and knew of other kids who died. If you can avoid these diseases, why not take the precaution? Death is not the only consequence. Children can suffer lifelong sequelae, including neurological impairment. The rare child will have a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine. The risk is of death or disability is substantially less than the risk we take when we go on a car ride with our kids. It is true, as in my case, that sometimes vaccines are not effective. That too is the exception, not the rule.

It never ceases to amaze me who parents choose to believe when it comes to vaccines. The propaganda spread by Andrew Wakefield was a lie meant only to advance his position and prestige. Jenny McCarthy is an uninformed celebrity and the mom of a child suffering. Of course, she wants something we can identify and blame to explain her son's illness. That is human nature. It does not mean what she says is true. You would not go to a wood cutter for heart surgery. Why do you think that celebrities and known liars know better than respected scientists, pediatricians, and our nursing colleagues? Vaccinations save lives. What one does for one's own family, is to a great extent a private matter. However, because there are some children who cannot get vaccinated due to health conditions and those for whom vaccines do not confer immunity, by decreasing the percentage of vaccinated individuals, a parent's uninformed choices may put many people at risk.

Very well said!! Sorry to hear about how sick you were, but happy that everything is okay now.

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It puzzles me that one learns all that is needed to be a nurse, but cannot ascribe to the science that guides our practice. If one chooses to dismiss vaccines as unimportant, even harmful, despite the abundance of hard science supporting this practice, what is next? Is there someone out there who will decide hand washing is unimportant? Or aseptic technic is unimportant. As nurses we are educated to think critically, research peer reviewed materials, and be up to date on proven treatment modalities. And above all to provide accurate information/education to our patients/clients. If you will not immunize your own child what do you tell parents when their child is diagnosed with whooping cough? Just my humble opinion, but if you cannot support the scientific principles adopted by mainstream medical practice, perhaps you should consider a different career.

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To be frank, many of the injuries are a result of anaphylaxis, which does not indicate that there is actually something wrong with the vaccine, but rather a hyper- immune response on the part of the vaccinated. Perhaps we should sue farmers for selling eggs, wheat products, honey, etc. as they are supposed to be healthy, but do cause injury and yes, even death, in some.

I don't doubt that some injuries are a result of anaphylaxis, but there is no data that I could find on either HRSA or CDC websites that give stats by type of injury, so there's no way to say if they are "many" or few.

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This is true but another unfortunate fact is the false hysteria about vaccines has made companies decide to settle instead of fight. "A climate of fear" . . . . instead of any truth about vaccines being truly harmful.

The Anti-Vaccine Movement And A Trial Lawyer-Funded Climate Of Fear - Forbes

How typical of the pro-vax group to label those who disagree as hysterical. As for the TRUTH about vaccines, all you have to do is check the HRSA and CDC websites to see that they are harmful.

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