Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

To immunize or not to immunize... that is the question. When I was growing up, there really wasn't any controversy - when we were in certain grades, we were all lined up at school and the public health nurse either gave us a shot in the arm or a little pink drop of sugary liquid on a plastic spoon. I have a nice, circular scar on each of my upper arms just below my shoulders that signify my immunization against smallpox, the only disease to have been declared eradicated from the Earth. When my children were small they each were given their shots according to the vaccination schedule of the time. It's what we did. Then came Andrew Wakefield.

The study published by Mr Wakefield purported to link immunizations with the development of autism and it set the world on its ear. The fact that this study has been debunked scientifically a number of times seems not to penetrate the consciousness of a growing group of parents who feel that herd immunity will protect their children. The principle of herd immunity is simple: if enough of a herd of any species is immune to a microbe the odds of an outbreak of that microbial disease are extremely low. And should an outbreak occur, it rapidly diminishes as the number of susceptible hosts drops. Well, guess what... the herd isn't immune any more.

Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and varicella have been documented all over complacent North America. Combined with a falling immunization rate, high-speed intercontinental travel allows these diseases to gain a toehold and then they are free to run rampant through populations with low or NO herd immunity. Communicability begins before the infected host becomes symptomatic, so spread is difficult to contain once it begins. Measles had been declared eliminated in the Americas in 2002, with small sporadic outbreaks annually; there were 85 cases on the continent in 2005 and as many as 253 in 2010. But in 2011, the WHO American region reported the highest number of cases seen since the disease was reported eliminated. My city has just recorded its second measles case in as many weeks after years of zero cases and we've had two infants with congenital rubella admitted to our PICU in recent months.

"So what's the big deal?" people say. Health care has changed since the 50s and 60s, and kids don't die of vaccine-preventable diseases any more. Right? Wrong. Children and adults DO die of these diseases, although the number is small and complication rates remain manageable. For now, at least. Even so, people still believe that it's all hype and not really anything to worry about. They forget about the children and adults who are unable to be immunized, not for lack of wanting it but because of other health issues. Children with cancer, blood dyscrasias, organ transplants and certain neurological disorders cannot be immunized against certain diseases. Adults who have been inadequately immunized as children for whatever reason are also at risk. And it's this population who are at risk for dying from chicken pox. Or measles. Or to become sterile from the mumps. Or to have a baby with severe anomalies from congenital rubella. It's not a joke.

In the course of researching my family tree I have come across entire families wiped out by pertussis and measles, and others by typhus, cholera, or scarlet fever (infections that while not vaccine preventable, have been essentially eradicated by modern-day antibiotics and sanitation practices). I'm always deeply saddened when I find them, and I fear that if the current complacency and disdain for immunization continue we may find ourselves right back there.

As pediatric nurses we have a unique opportunity to help make this better. We have many teachable moments in the course of our workday where we could reinforce the message that not only are vaccinations safe and effective, but also that parents aren't only protecting their own children, they're protecting those they encounter out in the world who aren't lucky enough to be able to protect themselves. We can remind them that no one knows what the future might bring and that someday they may find themselves with a child who can't be immunized. I remember a family that had 5 children. None of them were immunized because the mom was opposed. Their fourth child became critically ill and needed a heart transplant. The discussions with this mother were intense and, on some level vaguely threatening when it was pointed out that the child would surely die if one of the siblings brought home a vaccine-preventable disease after going through a transplant. She asked for some time to research things and in the end agreed to have all of her children immunized.

My challenge to you is to examine your own thoughts and feelings about vaccinations from a scientific rather than an emotional perspective. Then I challenge you to formulate your responses to parents who are on the fence about having their children immunized so you have them ready when the opportunity arises. Our future is counting on you.

I've heard people claim to have caught all of the diseases they were vaccinated against. Assuming they actually did catch the bug and aren't lying about it, how can this be explained?

Do the body's memory cells require a bit of time to get their numbers up, thus the presentation of symptoms?

Specializes in kids.
Our son was born in 1982 and his pediatrician was very much against some vaccinations. The school nurse was trying to give us problems but I told her to fight it out with the MD. The doc won.

I'm sure the school nurses goal was not to give you problems, but to meet the state mandate for school entrance relative to vaccination requirements.

As well as protecting any child in her building that is under immunized (for what ever reason).

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
I've heard people claim to have caught all of the diseases they were vaccinated against. Assuming they actually did catch the bug and aren't lying about it, how can this be explained?

Do the body's memory cells require a bit of time to get their numbers up, thus the presentation of symptoms?

There are individuals that do not seroconvert, which highlights the importance of herd immunity.

Some vaccines, like the influenza vaccine and pneumococcal vaccine, prevent against prominent strains of the infectious agent but not all of the possible strains.

There are individuals that do not seroconvert, which highlights the importance of herd immunity.

Some vaccines, like the influenza vaccine and pneumococcal vaccine, prevent against prominent strains of the infectious agent but not all of the possible strains.

Oh certainly, but is it possible to contract the causative agent and show mild symptoms due to a (relatively) slower response by memory cells (slow to undergo clonal expansion, I mean)? Or are memory cells pretty consistent among individuals in their rate of division?

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

I just heard from a friend that there have been 303 cases of mumps in the Akron area so far this year. The last case of mumps I can remember was when my oldest daughter had them in around 1984.

If vaccines do not cause injury, how is it that more than 2.8 BILLION dollars has been awarded in compensation for vaccine injuries since 1989?

Statistics Reports

Also: "The Table lists and explains injuries/conditions that are presumed (emphasis added) to be caused by vaccines."

"...the following is a table of vaccines, the injuries, disabilities, illnesses, conditions, and deaths resulting from the administration of such vaccines.."

Vaccine Injury Table

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

Nearly three times as many cases are dismissed than are compensated. The ones that are compensated, according to this source, are largely settled without admission of any solid, provable scientific connection between the injury and the vaccine, simply because it's cheaper to pay a settlement than to litigate for years. Comparing the number of doses administered (1,968,399,297) to the number compensated (1037) reveals that 0.000000545 % of all doses administered were compensated. Seems like a negligible number to me.

This really highlights the importance of research methods and scholarly research as part of the nursing curriculum at all levels.

I didn't get that until my RN to BSN program. An entire class devoted to research methods and scholarly research. The pre-req was statistics. I'm grateful for both classes.

Nearly three times as many cases are dismissed than are compensated. The ones that are compensated, according to this source, are largely settled without admission of any solid, provable scientific connection between the injury and the vaccine, simply because it's cheaper to pay a settlement than to litigate for years. Comparing the number of doses administered (1,968,399,297) to the number compensated (1037) reveals that 0.000000545 % of all doses administered were compensated. Seems like a negligible number to me.

Math is a good class too. :nurse:

Nearly three times as many cases are dismissed than are compensated. The ones that are compensated, according to this source, are largely settled without admission of any solid, provable scientific connection between the injury and the vaccine, simply because it's cheaper to pay a settlement than to litigate for years. Comparing the number of doses administered (1,968,399,297) to the number compensated (1037) reveals that 0.000000545 % of all doses administered were compensated. Seems like a negligible number to me.

I'm not completely sure where you are getting the 1037 figure from, but it looks like you are trying to pull figures from the table with data from 2006 to present. The figures you chose to use make it appear to some that the injuries and deaths resulting from vaccines is an acceptable number. Well, maybe it is, until it is YOUR child. However, the actual number of compensable claims was 1300 from the table that you apparently used. But who cares if some were settled out of court? The defendants (HHS) would not have done that if they didn't think that the plaintiff would win their case in court. But that's not even the point.

None of you have conceded the fact that vaccines DO cause damage for some children, with death being the ultimate form! You all have acted as though that concern doesn't even exist and anyone who doesn't vax is crazy! You have been hounding the OP for evidence, and now you have evidence from an undisputable source--HRSA no less--where they admit in black and white for all the world to see that vaccines are PRESUMED to cause injury, up to and including death, but you dismiss it as if it is of no consequence! I'm pretty sure that the parents of the injured children weren't so cavalier!

Another thing this thread has completely ignored is the financial incentive that everyone involved with promoting vaccines has to keep this dirty little secret under wraps. Of course the defendants (HHS) will make it a part of the deal that there is no admission of guilt or actual link of injury to vaccine! An article from 2013 cites two recent cases that were awarded compensation due to injury leading to autism, and it mentions four other recent cases. Some of the records are blocked and there is no admission of an actual link to autism from the vaccines. Why??? Money!!!

Some quotes from the article reporting on these awards: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

After the ASD diagnosis, the judge reportedly became convinced that Emily would prevail. "My attorney said she was angry, she felt forced into a corner with no choice but to find for us," Moller said. "She said, 'Emily has autism, and I don't want to give other families who filed autism claims any hope.'"

Meanwhile, as HHS says it "has never concluded in any case that autism was caused by vaccination," it is still underwriting autism treatments such as ABA for children in its vaccine-injury program.

I didn't get that until my RN to BSN program. An entire class devoted to research methods and scholarly research. The pre-req was statistics. I'm grateful for both classes.

Math is a good class too. :nurse:

Just for the record, I have a BSN and took the classes that are being touted as required in order to understand scholarly research. However, I'm appalled at the condescension from some of the posts that ASSUME that someone can't have enough of a brain to figure out how to read research without a formal class! It's NOT rocket science!

And yes math IS a good class! There are many ways to manipulate numbers to get the desired result in order to boost a claim. ;)

Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.

None of you have conceded the fact that vaccines DO cause damage for some children, with death being the ultimate form! You all have acted as though that concern doesn't even exist and anyone who doesn't vax is crazy!

To be frank, many of the injuries are a result of anaphylaxis, which does not indicate that there is actually something wrong with the vaccine, but rather a hyper- immune response on the part of the vaccinated. Perhaps we should sue farmers for selling eggs, wheat products, honey, etc. as they are supposed to be healthy, but do cause injury and yes, even death, in some.

To be frank, many of the injuries are a result of anaphylaxis, which does not indicate that there is actually something wrong with the vaccine, but rather a hyper- immune response on the part of the vaccinated. Perhaps we should sue farmers for selling eggs, wheat products, honey, etc. as they are supposed to be healthy, but do cause injury and yes, even death, in some.

This is true but another unfortunate fact is the false hysteria about vaccines has made companies decide to settle instead of fight. "A climate of fear" . . . . instead of any truth about vaccines being truly harmful.

The Anti-Vaccine Movement And A Trial Lawyer-Funded Climate Of Fear - Forbes