Mandating vaccine for children

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Here's what Pfizer had to say about the use of the vaccine for children under 12:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-positive-topline-results

It's not impossible mandates may son follow and apply to children,  particularly for attending school. 

How do you feel about the potential for this vaccine to be required for children?

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On 9/22/2021 at 7:43 PM, listless reads said:

How do I feel? Disgusted...? FDA approval is kind of mute for me due to the funding they receive. The regulators are hollow shadows of their former selves. 

 

The word you’re looking for is “moot”. “Mute” means silent, unable to speak.

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4 hours ago, jive turkey said:

1.Regarding the quote for The Giver, who determined if the choice was wrong? That's very subjective.  

I agree, people make choices and later learn an alternative choice may have produced a more desirable result.  The concern comes when people champion forfeiting choices to the government without question, letting them decide what's best for us without dispute.  

2. I never argued vaccination status is a protected class.  Businesses will always do what protects profit.  PERIOD. These mandates are in response to the status quo and a fear of being liable for "spreading COVID" due to not falling in line and issuing mandates indiscriminately.  We live in a litigious country where businesses lose money over frivolous lawsuits and settlements all the time.  This is a CYA approach.  

3. That's all good for you nothing wrong with that.  But look at this for more than COVID.  Taking the position of "Employers can do what they want" communicates we can be manipulated and controlled with are jobs even more than already.  I also don't like that argument because sexual harassment, discrimination, and low wages were also Employers "doing whatever they want". Then we came up with minimum wage, the EEOC and other labor laws.  

People like to reference vaccine requirements for other diseases as if COVID is the same as other diseases and the vaccines are the same others.   

Thank you for your respectful reply

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On 9/22/2021 at 7:34 PM, jive turkey said:

How do you feel about the potential for this vaccine to be required for children?

Relieved that my older grands will be protected and that their baby sister will be safer. Not to mention all the others they see, like my grandsister (their other grandmother, like a sister to me), their younger cousins and neighbors… 

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On 9/23/2021 at 2:00 AM, listless reads said:

And they've never developed a successful mRNA vaccine in those 30 previous years but I guess when our backs are against the wall, we submit an application for approval using a group of 3410 "suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 [patients] in the overall study population," and get FDA approval anyway. 

Let us refresh your memory on the difference between basic research and applied research … 

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On 9/24/2021 at 6:01 AM, hherrn said:
On 9/23/2021 at 3:59 PM, hppygr8ful said:

The only way to bring this under some semblence of control wil be though mass vacination.

Pshaw. That's what they said about polio before it just disappeared on it's own.

We need a “snark” emoji here, LOL.

But for those who might have believed this….

Polio didn’t “disappear in its own.” It was almost complete eradicated *in the US* with widespread vaccination in the late 50s and early 60s — which was an immeasurable relief to parents at the time. It remains a problem in third world countries where vaccination is not available, wild stories about how it makes kids sterile or otherwise harmed bec it’s a US plot, or where vaccination workers have been murdered by religious fanatics.

Hmmm.. no murders here yet, but the rest sounds familiar somehow… 

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53 minutes ago, Hannahbanana said:

Let us refresh your memory on the difference between basic research and applied research … 

Please expand on your rebuttal to the other poster reflecting on the lack of previously successful mRNA vaccines.

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::patiently:: this coronavirus wasn’t known 30 years ago. The fact that this technology was available to bring to bear when COVID-19 was its opportunity to demonstrate how it could be done. That was a great, great technological leap forward which will bear great fruit. And … it has.
 

Or would you like to fault them for not preventing now something that won’t be discovered for thirty years? 

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Knoxville, Tennessee. Parents barricading the school entrance to prevent children going to school because they have to wear face masks. 

So not only are they stupid as hell, they absolutely feel the need to advertise just how stupid they are! 

I will bet serious money that if any of those parents were interviewed, within a couple of minutes, they would be spouting conspiracy theories or something totally insane. 

And what do you want to bet that quite a few actually have a college education or a job where intelligence is a prerequisite! 

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20 hours ago, Hannahbanana said:

::patiently:: this coronavirus wasn’t known 30 years ago. The fact that this technology was available to bring to bear when COVID-19 was its opportunity to demonstrate how it could be done. That was a great, great technological leap forward which will bear great fruit. And … it has.
 

Or would you like to fault them for not preventing now something that won’t be discovered for thirty years? 

"Patiently and with a smile"

Another poster and I argued against mandating a vaccine as new as this one.  People often cite the technology was developed 30 years ago failing to mention it was not this vaccine for this virus 30 years ago. Many of us disagree with being coerced in to participating in a demonstration as you described it.  It has the opportunity to demonstrate the good it can do and it also has the opportunity to demonstrate what harm it can cause.  Natural immunity can also demonstrate what great fruits it can bear too. Time will tell for all.

Does that clear it up for you?

 

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Just now, jive turkey said:

People often cite the technology was developed 30 years ago failing to mention it was not this vaccine for this virus 30 years ago. Many of us disagree with being coerced in to participating in a demonstration as you described it.  It has the opportunity to demonstrate the good it can do and it also has the opportunity to demonstrate what harm it can cause.  Natural immunity can also demonstrate what great fruits it can bear too. Time will tell for all.

Does that clear it up for you?

The technology to do this was developed a long time ago, and its researchers realized its application to this virus when it was identified.

Millions of people all over the world have received vaccines developed by multiple manufacturers using the mRNA process. That's as big a sample size as you're ever going to get. If it were going to have dreadful sidee effects we would be seeing it by now-- viz to wit., the time frames for side effects from other vaccines, which I will leave it to you to look up in reputable medical and immunological references. Hint: They appear early on, in hours, days. or (rarely) weeks. None declare themselves months or years later.

If "natural immunity" were an effective thing for this, we wouldn't be in this mess now, with as many deaths we have had worldwide, and more all the time, now, would we? Or do we need to kill off a far greater proportion of the population to identify it? No thanks.

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1 hour ago, jive turkey said:

Natural immunity can also demonstrate what great fruits it can bear too. Time will tell for all.

Right now, the pursuit of natural immunity has our health system in near collapse and our economy sputtering...what has time told us so far? 

Think about it...

Hasn't the last 16 months pretty clearly indicated that this is a terrible pandemic and that vaccination is the safest, fastest and most economical way to end the pandemic? If you can't agree with that then one must wonder how you are informing yourself about this subject. 

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