Male Nurse Disgusted by Female Nurses

This male nurse is appalled at his female colleagues' behavior. Is he right? Nurses General Nursing Article

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Hi Beth:

I believe you submitted a recent article about Safe Patient/Nurse Ratios in this country. I have been a nurse for about one year and a half and I am appalled by what I have observed with the untenable and unsafe patient/nurse ratios healthcare employers are demanding nurses work with, BUT, I am even more FRUSTRATED and DISGUSTED with the TOTAL LACK OF UNITY among nurses when it comes to speaking in one voice to employers about this.

They would rather run to the bathroom and cry or ***** and moan in private never having the guts to unite and square off with the managements responsible for creating unsafe conditions for the sake of profit. I am a male nurse....you ladies always tout this spirit of "Teamwork" on the floors yet I have never in my life witnessed the amount of undermining and backstabbing that exists among nurses.

Before we can begin to force change on healthcare employers we have to take ownership of our failure to unite.Ladies. please stop all the petty politics among yourselves! Let's all come together as one body and push our legislators for change!! We are in the millions and we are in demand!! That is power!!

Dear Male Nurse Disgusted with Female Nurses,

The female experience is very different from the male experience, my friend. You are operating in the largely female world of nursing, and it probably feels very foreign to you. But as women, this is our world and we know it well.

You believe we are petty and fight among ourselves rather than uniting and speaking up to management. Uniting and speaking up to management as one is male behavior. Female behavior is more divisive and it has kept us down as a profession. You're right, the nursing profession is really not built on strength or unification.

But there's a reason for this behavior. As a male, you would not know this as a lived experience.

Female Conditioning

Females are conditioned to envy each other, not to trust each other, and to compete with each other. Females compare themselves to other females all their lives. Girls compare themselves to Barbie, to the pretty girls, to the girls boys like best, to the cheerleaders. To every other girl.

Women are taught to be helpless when they're not, act stupid when they're smart, not be hungry when they're starving, and to remain passive they're angry.

Females are called the "b" word for being assertive and considered to be more feminine when they are "sweet". It's a dichotomy of expectations.

The dichotomy is everywhere. Look at popular movies about mean girls.

Being direct and straightforward is not how women are brought up to communicate whatsoever. Saying what we need is less important than meeting other's needs.

Meanwhile, boys are taught to stick together, in the army, on the football team. You rarely hear doctors criticize other doctors. Even when a patient goes to see a doctor with a condition that was mishandled by another provider, the response is more along the lines of "Well, let's move forward from here".

By contrast, nurses are hard on each other. Nurses can be quick to blame other nurses. As females, we expect perfection from ourselves...and each other.

State boards of nursing, made up of nurses, are notoriously hard on nurses as compared to doctors' governing boards.

There's another reason for your observations about female behavior.

Men Rule

It's still largely a male-dominated world. Men have the power. Look at the recent "Time's Up" issue. Even in liberal Hollywood, men have the power. Hospital boards are largely male. Hospital CEOs are largely male while CNOs are largely female.

It's a tough but true reality.

Even in nursing, a traditionally female occupation, when men become nurses they are often viewed as more qualified. It's no secret that men in nursing make more than women.

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

No Excuses

This is not to say these explanations are excuses. Excuses are for people who don't take responsibility.

We are a force to be reckoned with once we take responsibility and come together. There are over 3 million nurses in the United States. We act as if we only have a rake when we actually have a bulldozer in the garage. We have enormous ability to bring about change.

How do we rally the masses? I don't know. Nurses do unite in outrage, as in Show Me Your Stethoscope. But there is an apathy around bringing about political change. The nursing profession itself is not unified by the American Nurse's Association (ANA). Some would say the ANA is beholden to the American Hospital Association (AHA). The AHA is a powerful lobby.

For whatever reason, it is time to stand up, stand together, and speak up. There is a grassroots movement that is dedicated to legislating nurse-patient ratios. It's the Nurses Take DC organization.

If every nurse reading this would make a call to their legislator, or write an email- it will make a difference!

Easily find out who your legislators are and make a call.

Write a letter to support H.R. 2392 and S. 1063 Nurse Staffing Standards for Hospital Patient Safety and Quality Care Act of 2017 legislative bills. Legislators respond to topics based on the number of phone calls and mail from their constituents.

Please read Mandated Nurse-Patient Ratios and share it and this article on social media. Use hashtags #NursesTakeDC and #allnursesSTRONG

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Farawyn, I didn't mention "hate" did I? But the notion of "equality" in this context is highly flawed. What are you unequal to? What rights and choices do you not have? I'm sorry but I find the notion of equality between the sexes to be a worthless nothing. I have had more opportunity in my life time as an individual than any other time in all of western civilization. I think you and the other complainers need a history lesson.

WOW! Perhaps you need a lesson in current events.

Specializes in Hospice.
WOW! Perhaps you need a lesson in current events.

Agree ... that post is a bit like saying that racism doesn't exist because slavery is illegal now.

Specializes in Emergency.

I'm a female nurse that comes from the world of fire fighting. The petty squabbles that divide the mostly female nursing staff floors me. Honestly, there was a reason I preferred working with men most of my life. This is not to say that there aren't a lot of women out there who know how to stand up and be counted, it's just not the norm.

She didn't say unique to women. You made that leap.

Wow...

It's quoted verbatim, I didn't make that leap. Here it is again:

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

I have seen the most incompetent nurses become managers and mismanage the unit over and over again.

Were they male or female? Usually I wouldn't ask, but that fact is pertinent to this thread.

I'm not trying to be divisive. In fact like I stated before I think our problem has less to do with the age-old and healthy as ever boys versus girls tribalism as it does with reasonable boundaries and treating work like work instead of something more personal. However, if nursing is 93% women how is it possible that the 7% of men are responsible for all our woes? Alternately, as it has been suggested (not my idea by any stretch) that the 7% of men stand up and be a catalyst for change? The only way we are going to make positive changes are collectively if we can get past the differences that we all have and unite. We show no signs of that as we are now devolving into the same "my gender is better than your gender" debate that is the subtext of every dumb sitcom since "I Love Lucy". The status quo is safe. Expect no change unless we change & clearly we ain't close to that

Specializes in Pediatric Critical Care.

And for the polar opposite thread...(at least in title)

https://allnurses.com/men-in-nursing/has-any-female-1145436.html

And yet, such different content in the post.

Small minds talk about people, great minds talk about ideas. I've seen the pettiness with both men and women, although i'll have to admit the women have it dialed in and on lockdown in my experience hahah. Men can't compete when it comes to the backstabbing/gossip imo, although some men come close. I think it's just nature/socialization, we are different from each other in how we think/act. As far as the pay goes, everyone I work with, boys and girls, we are all at the same pay grade, based on experience and time put in. I try not to put up any walls to anyone and try to get along with everyone. Every person reacts/works each according to their gifts!

Nurse Beth, I found your reply sexist (sterotyping women) and misandrist.

Here is an example: "But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves."

Since these gifts are "unique" to women, no men are capable of harnessing intuition, utilizing compassion, showing empathy, or nurturing. Wow...

Stereotyping of women is the exact reason I didn't like nurse Beth's reply. Here it is you have a guy criticizing female nurses, and you come back with....that's how women were raised. My thing is, we're in 2018, not in the 20's 40's or 50's where those things may have been true.

She perpetuated that stereotype pretty hard. It upset me very much.

I am the type of person that fights for what I want and believe in. I work in unfair conditions, and I complain and nothing gets done, I go higher. If I'm more qualified and another person gets the job I leave... not just for not getting the job, but for creating an environment where my voice doesn't matter! There are squabbling, and division, but guess what!? It's not solely on females. I am tired of women being looked at as the whiny type! Go out there and make your voices be heard. I'm not in the field yet, but I will be. This is a field dominated by women, organize, write down what needs to be done and what needs to change, call out to other nurses because I'm sure they feel the same way. Call to arms, so to speak... I hope to be able to make a difference one day.

I think if others are too afraid to say something, be the voice for them. I know many ppl that would speak out for themselves and others. What would happen if there was a strike for nurses? When I was small and my dad was in the hospital, you know who was always by his side? Making sure he had everything? The nurses! You know what I asked a doctor when he came in? I hadn't seen him in days, I asked who are you? Why are you here? The nurse was the one taking care of my dad. You could see how touched that nurse was! You all matter!

Specializes in Wound care; CMSRN.

Here's some reading material that may be helpful. I grabbed it off Ozy which I subscribe to.

One thing I've noticed, anecdotally, is that a lot of women prefer to work with men or in mixed groups rather than exclusively with

women. I don't think most guys have a similar prejudice.

One thing I've noticed, anecdotally, is that a lot of women prefer to work with men or in mixed groups rather than exclusively with

women. I don't think most guys have a similar prejudice.

Are you serious? I can't count how often males here reference that the worst thing (or one of the bad things, at least) of being a male in nursing is having to work with lots of women (because, y'know, of all the backbiting, cattiness, etc., etc, etc.). Have a look around this site.

Specializes in Wound care; CMSRN.

No, of course I'm not serious, Elkpark; I just wanted to give you an opportunity to throw some shade my way. Thanks.