Male Nurse Disgusted by Female Nurses

This male nurse is appalled at his female colleagues' behavior. Is he right? Nurses General Nursing Article

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Hi Beth:

I believe you submitted a recent article about Safe Patient/Nurse Ratios in this country. I have been a nurse for about one year and a half and I am appalled by what I have observed with the untenable and unsafe patient/nurse ratios healthcare employers are demanding nurses work with, BUT, I am even more FRUSTRATED and DISGUSTED with the TOTAL LACK OF UNITY among nurses when it comes to speaking in one voice to employers about this.

They would rather run to the bathroom and cry or ***** and moan in private never having the guts to unite and square off with the managements responsible for creating unsafe conditions for the sake of profit. I am a male nurse....you ladies always tout this spirit of "Teamwork" on the floors yet I have never in my life witnessed the amount of undermining and backstabbing that exists among nurses.

Before we can begin to force change on healthcare employers we have to take ownership of our failure to unite.Ladies. please stop all the petty politics among yourselves! Let's all come together as one body and push our legislators for change!! We are in the millions and we are in demand!! That is power!!

Dear Male Nurse Disgusted with Female Nurses,

The female experience is very different from the male experience, my friend. You are operating in the largely female world of nursing, and it probably feels very foreign to you. But as women, this is our world and we know it well.

You believe we are petty and fight among ourselves rather than uniting and speaking up to management. Uniting and speaking up to management as one is male behavior. Female behavior is more divisive and it has kept us down as a profession. You're right, the nursing profession is really not built on strength or unification.

But there's a reason for this behavior. As a male, you would not know this as a lived experience.

Female Conditioning

Females are conditioned to envy each other, not to trust each other, and to compete with each other. Females compare themselves to other females all their lives. Girls compare themselves to Barbie, to the pretty girls, to the girls boys like best, to the cheerleaders. To every other girl.

Women are taught to be helpless when they're not, act stupid when they're smart, not be hungry when they're starving, and to remain passive they're angry.

Females are called the "b" word for being assertive and considered to be more feminine when they are "sweet". It's a dichotomy of expectations.

The dichotomy is everywhere. Look at popular movies about mean girls.

Being direct and straightforward is not how women are brought up to communicate whatsoever. Saying what we need is less important than meeting other's needs.

Meanwhile, boys are taught to stick together, in the army, on the football team. You rarely hear doctors criticize other doctors. Even when a patient goes to see a doctor with a condition that was mishandled by another provider, the response is more along the lines of "Well, let's move forward from here".

By contrast, nurses are hard on each other. Nurses can be quick to blame other nurses. As females, we expect perfection from ourselves...and each other.

State boards of nursing, made up of nurses, are notoriously hard on nurses as compared to doctors' governing boards.

There's another reason for your observations about female behavior.

Men Rule

It's still largely a male-dominated world. Men have the power. Look at the recent "Time's Up" issue. Even in liberal Hollywood, men have the power. Hospital boards are largely male. Hospital CEOs are largely male while CNOs are largely female.

It's a tough but true reality.

Even in nursing, a traditionally female occupation, when men become nurses they are often viewed as more qualified. It's no secret that men in nursing make more than women.

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

No Excuses

This is not to say these explanations are excuses. Excuses are for people who don't take responsibility.

We are a force to be reckoned with once we take responsibility and come together. There are over 3 million nurses in the United States. We act as if we only have a rake when we actually have a bulldozer in the garage. We have enormous ability to bring about change.

How do we rally the masses? I don't know. Nurses do unite in outrage, as in Show Me Your Stethoscope. But there is an apathy around bringing about political change. The nursing profession itself is not unified by the American Nurse's Association (ANA). Some would say the ANA is beholden to the American Hospital Association (AHA). The AHA is a powerful lobby.

For whatever reason, it is time to stand up, stand together, and speak up. There is a grassroots movement that is dedicated to legislating nurse-patient ratios. It's the Nurses Take DC organization.

If every nurse reading this would make a call to their legislator, or write an email- it will make a difference!

Easily find out who your legislators are and make a call.

Write a letter to support H.R. 2392 and S. 1063 Nurse Staffing Standards for Hospital Patient Safety and Quality Care Act of 2017 legislative bills. Legislators respond to topics based on the number of phone calls and mail from their constituents.

Please read Mandated Nurse-Patient Ratios and share it and this article on social media. Use hashtags #NursesTakeDC and #allnursesSTRONG

I agree with a lot of what this male RN has states. However, the statement "total lack of unity" I do take exception with. Yes, I have worked with Nuraes of both (& varied) genders. I do not see lack of unity as a genetic trait. I've worked with female Nuraes who set me up : back in the old days with manual MARs, 2 female nurses purposefully hid part of the pt MARs on my first day back. The night nurse took them out & the evening nurse put them back. The night nurse reported ME the next day. I've worked with male RNs that is rather work short without, because it would take more time to fix his mistakes than to call a huddle to tell the team "today is going to suk bad, so let's all help each other, do whatever you see needs to be done, & give our best to our patients." If he doesn't like the negativity on the floor, then he needs to lead by example. Which is also not a genetic trait.

Specializes in ICU/ER/trauma.

Majority of the responses here is why nursing will never change. Why turnover will remain high. And why men leave the profession or go on to a provider/management role where they can negotiate better working conditions.

Nurses could demand what ever they wanted (within reason) but they'll continue to work off the clock "so they don't get in trouble" and complain to each other in the break room but tell Upper management that "everything is wonderful."

This is why women are paid less than men. Because as a whole people at large trust men more than women. Some things men can't be 'trusted', cuz they have more opportunity, but women backstabbing each other begins in nursing school even the PROFESSORS backstab.

What men don't understand is that a woman speaking the truth is a lot different then a man speaking the truth. We are taught to 'tolerate' the job, to not initiate 'change'.

I will never work off the 'clock'. Sorry. I'm not going to give the corporate CEO a free paycheck.

Specializes in ICU/ER/trauma.

Do mods delete posts on allnurses? Just wondering. ...

Specializes in ICU/ER/trauma.

So initiate the change! Don't tolerate.

Specializes in ED, PACU, CM.
I actually agree with this newly minted nurse. I don't think he chose a particularly diplomatic or strategically smart way to verbalize his thoughts as I think they risk coming off as condescending and perhaps slightly arrogant. Not to mention seeming completely oblivious of the effect of social conditioning. But there is definitely some truth in his statements.

Nursing is a second career for me. I come from a law enforcement background and I spent a big chunk of that career working as a lone female in an all-male group. That has shaped me and I have on many occasions been mistaken for being a man in written communication when I've signed with only first initial. lastname instead of my full name. People were surprised that I'm a woman when we finally met face-to-face. I've been told that I am assertive, precise and that I seem to have an expectation that I will be listened to and somehow that conjures up the image of a male in their minds :sarcastic:

When I first started in nursing the culture shock was enormous. It frustrated me then and if I'm honest, it still does. I come from a background were we knew that we had strength in numbers. And we made our employer realize it. We knew that we possessed skills that were valuable to our employer and we knew that if we could just stick together, there was no room for them to treat us poorly. As a result, we weren't treated poorly.

Most of the women I work with are smart, skilled professionals but I cannot wrap my head around why nurses as a profession are willing to take so much crap and make so few demands (and mean it). If one or three nurses leave a job because because they find the work conditions unacceptable, it will not matter one iota. The employer will hire replacements. If the employer is faced with a REAL risk that EVERYONE will leave then trust me, they'll change their tune.

One of the things that I've discussed in previous threads on AN is that so many posters express that nurses have to expect to be threatened and even assaulted at work and that employers will not protect them, even going as far as firing a nurse who dares file a report with the police if they've been assaulted. When I've asked these posters if they've actually experienced this in real life (ie a nurse being assaulted, reporting it to the police and subsequently being fired), not a single one of them could say that had happened. Yet, they live in fear of this happening and feel that they have to accept that the risk of being assaulted and having no legal recourse is just something a nurse has to deal with. I have defended myself against violent patients and the occasional unruly family member. I've never gotten in trouble for it. The law of whatever country you live and work in applies to nurses too, and employers don't have the right to rob an employee of their legal protection. I've had coworkers say that they would never dare do what I did, and I just don't get it. No employer will ever deprive me of my legal rights.

Another major difference in my anecdotal experience is staff meetings. Previous career, if we had an issue with how our employer handled something and one of us brought it up in a meeting, others would voice their support loud and clear. Nursing meetings drive me nuts. If I bring something up that people have been complaining about for the longest time and suggest a solution, everyone sits silently. Not a peep. And AFTER the darn meeting, they will approach me in private and thank me for saying what I said. I try to explain that I alone will not effect any real change. If they are serious about their complaints they need to stand up and say; I agree with loudmouth-pain-in the-butt macawake :)

I genuinely wish that all parents could raise their daughters to realize that it is okay for them to make demands and to expect that their voices are heard and respected. See, the funny thing is that that expectation has a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. You do teach people how to treat you.

One conclusion that I've arrived at is that employer's often use some of the most defining traits of the nursing profession as a weapon against nurses. It's almost akin to being held (an emotional) hostage. Nurses care about their patients and a nurse will often go to great lengths to keep a patient safe and well cared for. Unreasonable nurse-patient ratio, the nurse will just run faster, often to the detriment of thir own health. That has to stop. We actually do have strength in numbers. Things can improve, but it will never happen by itself. WE need to make it happen.

Great post Nurse Beth! I think you did a good job of identifying some of the obstacles we have to overcome and conquer.

ABSOLUTELY, yes! I agree with all the above.

Specializes in ED, PACU, CM.

Muggs:

There are plenty of more current TV shows that have that same dynamic. Home Improvement, Modern Family, Kevin Can Wait/King of Queens, Family Guy, Simpsons, etc. I too grew up in the 90s, and loved Buffy, but it was a cult show at best.

Women are still expected to be submissive and put up with male misbehavior. Look at the scandal taking place in London over the Presidents Club Trust charity fundraiser.

Groping scandal at Presidents Club charity dinner exposed by Financial Times reporters - The Washington Post

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

Have people been watching Call the Midwife? Thoughts on the show, gender roles, and the nursing profession?

Are you serious? I can't count how often males here reference that the worst thing (or one of the bad things, at least) of being a male in nursing is having to work with lots of women (because, y'know, of all the backbiting, cattiness, etc., etc, etc.). Have a look around this site.

They knew before they got into nursing that they would have to work with women. I would think it is time to get a new job if it so terrible to work with women knowing that nursing is traditionally filled with women.

Specializes in ICU/ER/trauma.
They knew before they got into nursing that they would have to work with women. I would think it is time to get a new job if it so terrible to work with women knowing that nursing is traditionally filled with women.

His point is.....it wouldn't be so terrible if the culture wasn't so toxic. But here we are, and here you are.....being toxic.

You can't deny what he complains of-lack of unity-is very much so accurate.

Lots of generalizing going on here.

And from what I have seen from Millennials, lots of old fashioned views. The young people of today with whom

I have relationships seem to believe that women can do and be whatever they want.

Not saying it's easy or universal.

Also, we can never forget the biology. Pregnancy and birth, the lion's share of childrearing, homemaking, and

holding the clan together - all of these tend to fall to women.

Even so, I agree with the male nurse who finds it disturbing that women generally tend to moan but not take action

when they are unhappy about some aspects of their jobs.

Small minds talk about people, great minds talk about ideas. I've seen the pettiness with both men and women, although i'll have to admit the women have it dialed in and on lockdown in my experience hahah. Men can't compete when it comes to the backstabbing/gossip imo, although some men come close. I think it's just nature/socialization, we are different from each other in how we think/act. As far as the pay goes, everyone I work with, boys and girls, we are all at the same pay grade, based on experience and time put in. I try not to put up any walls to anyone and try to get along with everyone. Every person reacts/works each according to their gifts!

How do you know what everyone is paid?