Male Nurse Disgusted by Female Nurses

This male nurse is appalled at his female colleagues' behavior. Is he right? Nurses General Nursing Article

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Hi Beth:

I believe you submitted a recent article about Safe Patient/Nurse Ratios in this country. I have been a nurse for about one year and a half and I am appalled by what I have observed with the untenable and unsafe patient/nurse ratios healthcare employers are demanding nurses work with, BUT, I am even more FRUSTRATED and DISGUSTED with the TOTAL LACK OF UNITY among nurses when it comes to speaking in one voice to employers about this.

They would rather run to the bathroom and cry or ***** and moan in private never having the guts to unite and square off with the managements responsible for creating unsafe conditions for the sake of profit. I am a male nurse....you ladies always tout this spirit of "Teamwork" on the floors yet I have never in my life witnessed the amount of undermining and backstabbing that exists among nurses.

Before we can begin to force change on healthcare employers we have to take ownership of our failure to unite.Ladies. please stop all the petty politics among yourselves! Let's all come together as one body and push our legislators for change!! We are in the millions and we are in demand!! That is power!!

Dear Male Nurse Disgusted with Female Nurses,

The female experience is very different from the male experience, my friend. You are operating in the largely female world of nursing, and it probably feels very foreign to you. But as women, this is our world and we know it well.

You believe we are petty and fight among ourselves rather than uniting and speaking up to management. Uniting and speaking up to management as one is male behavior. Female behavior is more divisive and it has kept us down as a profession. You're right, the nursing profession is really not built on strength or unification.

But there's a reason for this behavior. As a male, you would not know this as a lived experience.

Female Conditioning

Females are conditioned to envy each other, not to trust each other, and to compete with each other. Females compare themselves to other females all their lives. Girls compare themselves to Barbie, to the pretty girls, to the girls boys like best, to the cheerleaders. To every other girl.

Women are taught to be helpless when they're not, act stupid when they're smart, not be hungry when they're starving, and to remain passive they're angry.

Females are called the "b" word for being assertive and considered to be more feminine when they are "sweet". It's a dichotomy of expectations.

The dichotomy is everywhere. Look at popular movies about mean girls.

Being direct and straightforward is not how women are brought up to communicate whatsoever. Saying what we need is less important than meeting other's needs.

Meanwhile, boys are taught to stick together, in the army, on the football team. You rarely hear doctors criticize other doctors. Even when a patient goes to see a doctor with a condition that was mishandled by another provider, the response is more along the lines of "Well, let's move forward from here".

By contrast, nurses are hard on each other. Nurses can be quick to blame other nurses. As females, we expect perfection from ourselves...and each other.

State boards of nursing, made up of nurses, are notoriously hard on nurses as compared to doctors' governing boards.

There's another reason for your observations about female behavior.

Men Rule

It's still largely a male-dominated world. Men have the power. Look at the recent "Time's Up" issue. Even in liberal Hollywood, men have the power. Hospital boards are largely male. Hospital CEOs are largely male while CNOs are largely female.

It's a tough but true reality.

Even in nursing, a traditionally female occupation, when men become nurses they are often viewed as more qualified. It's no secret that men in nursing make more than women.

Self-Value

But we women have very special qualities. Intuition, compassion. Empathy. We are nurturers. When we focus on those unique gifts and collaborate together, instead of competing with each other, we are our most powerful selves.

No Excuses

This is not to say these explanations are excuses. Excuses are for people who don't take responsibility.

We are a force to be reckoned with once we take responsibility and come together. There are over 3 million nurses in the United States. We act as if we only have a rake when we actually have a bulldozer in the garage. We have enormous ability to bring about change.

How do we rally the masses? I don't know. Nurses do unite in outrage, as in Show Me Your Stethoscope. But there is an apathy around bringing about political change. The nursing profession itself is not unified by the American Nurse's Association (ANA). Some would say the ANA is beholden to the American Hospital Association (AHA). The AHA is a powerful lobby.

For whatever reason, it is time to stand up, stand together, and speak up. There is a grassroots movement that is dedicated to legislating nurse-patient ratios. It's the Nurses Take DC organization.

If every nurse reading this would make a call to their legislator, or write an email- it will make a difference!

Easily find out who your legislators are and make a call.

Write a letter to support H.R. 2392 and S. 1063 Nurse Staffing Standards for Hospital Patient Safety and Quality Care Act of 2017 legislative bills. Legislators respond to topics based on the number of phone calls and mail from their constituents.

Please read Mandated Nurse-Patient Ratios and share it and this article on social media. Use hashtags #NursesTakeDC and #allnursesSTRONG

I like being a nurse and I like working with women. Have I noticed the whole female conditioning phenomenon? You betcha!!! The profession is 93% women so how could I not notice it over the years. It hasn't really affected me though honestly. Most of the stuff described by Nurse Beth and later by the posters here in this thread is stuff that happens between women. I find women are much, much harder on one another then they are on any man so I almost always get an pass on the issues described. I don't really care about any sort of infighting like that and I try to no worry too much about stuff that I can't change or what I consider to be useless drama. I'm only going to be in my role as a Nurse for a couple more months & then I'll move on to a new role as an NP. A couple of things I have noticed over the years generally. First, if men don't like something they will simply leave either by getting a new job or finding a new role. Fifteen years ago I was a floor nurse on a Step-Down Unit which got primarily post op patients after leaving the PACU or SICU. I was a new nurse and it was a tough, miserable job. Everybody complained pretty much constantly. I also did tons of OT on our medsurg floors. These units were dominated by women. I'm talking four floors of a big hospital with I'm sure to close to 200 staff nurses. Only about 5 of us were men. Within a couple years all the men except one moved on. I moved to the ER and now am moving to an NP role. I still know most folks on those floors (I work for the VA and its like the mafia people rarely leave) and they are still complaining and from what I can tell nothing has changed. Men are without a doubt disproportionately represented in management and advanced nursing roles. My cohort in my NP studies is graduating 18 students with 7 being men which means that by a factor of 6 or 7 men are over-represented. Please note, I don't know or even really care why this is the case as it doesn't really affect me anymore but why do nurses stay in roles that make them unhappy for so long? Second, when I walk out of work I don't take this stuff home. I date a nurse in my hospital (yeah I know bad move but I'm crazy about her) and her and her friends in a sense never leave work. They constantly text or Facebook each other with the drama of the day. We've been together a long while and she has learned to keep me out of this cycle of old news and feuds but it is never-ending. I'm also a union steward and have heard a zillion gripes between nurses and with management over the years. Nurses (of both sexes) like to complain about things a lot but when it comes down to actually doing something about the status quo even if its as simple as writing a grievance and signing it they won't. They will just "suck it up" and persevere in misery. Anyway so much for my pre-coffee ramblings I wish you all a happy Saturday

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.

Some female nurses (and some male nurses too) have found that acting in a manner viewed as aggressive by management can lead to a whole lot of trouble with one's job and perhaps license, and typically does not lead to the desired result.

I cry in anger sometimes, it's something I can't control - better to do it in private. Perhaps you lose control at times too?

Rising up will not free us as a profession as the pitch fork and torch approach is pretty frowned upon, although working on having legislation deem what is, and what is not permissible may be a more effective strategy for the long run.

Sorry if my feminine ways and sensibilities offend you.

Me??? No I'm not offended in anyway. As far as letting work get to me, well sure it happens on occasion. I'm a guy but I'm still human. Over the years I've drawn some pretty distinct boundaries between my coworkers and myself. This didn't happen overnight. For me the best way to deal with any work related drama was to not participate unless there was going to be a concrete plan to deal with the issue in an open manner. I also almost never address personal issues at work. All of these steps have helped me. I don't know if they would work for everybody else but that's my experience

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
How do you know what everyone is paid?

Probably doesn't.

I know for a fact that in at least four major hospitals in four states, men are paid more PER HOUR than women. And raises are calculated as a percentage of your current pay, so the gap keeps getting wider.

I also know for a fact that I had more education, more experience and more leadership activities than either of the two male nurses I was married to, and they still made more per hour.

You could not be more correct. If a female graduate in some male dominated profession was treated the way I was or have been trying to get a career, say law enforcement, I would be have been awarded millions many times over for 1/100,000,000 of the discrimination i had to go through both getting through nursing school and trying to gain employment. It is supposed to be enshrined in the US Constitution against discrimination based on gender, yet this supposed right is routinely violated and there are no checks or means to enforce this. Voice your grievances against what is FLAGRANT violations of your supposed Constitutional rights, and you will be brushed aside or told you are 'too sensitive' as there are virtually no protections against this raping of your rights. Trying to get a lawyer to represent you, when there is no money for these bloodsuckers to make, is like wiggling your toes at a hurricane. Never going to happen, and is hard to prove. Just reflect on this. How many male nurses have you encountered, in say, hospice?? In my several decades of experience, not ONE MALE NURSE. I applied at one hospice place, seasons hospice, but the 'talent recruiter', told me they were seeking other candidates. I have Bachelor's degree in education as well as a two year associate's degree in respiratory therapy and they were 'actively seeking other candidates'. I still have the rejection voice mail from a certain Stacey and have been tempted to post it on youtube. Those of you who work in the field, how many male nurses have you seen in the hospice field? Well if you are honest and have any integrity, you would be lying if you saw any, perhaps one or more. So don't poo poo male nurses who are the last ones hired and the first ones fired. Discrimination is an ugly 2 way street which only affects male nurses because we have no protections and people think we exaggerate or whatever so the flagrant abuses against our supposed rights are routinely raped by others who focus on scratching each other's eyes out. No protections at all from those who are supposed to be ethical enough to trust other people's lives and well being in their hands. Frightening, truly frightening, yet happens on a routine basis

Specializes in Hospice.
You could not be more correct. If a female graduate in some male dominated profession was treated the way I was or have been trying to get a career, say law enforcement, I would be have been awarded millions many times over for 1/100,000,000 of the discrimination i had to go through both getting through nursing school and trying to gain employment. It is supposed to be enshrined in the US Constitution against discrimination based on gender, yet this supposed right is routinely violated and there are no checks or means to enforce this. Voice your grievances against what is FLAGRANT violations of your supposed Constitutional rights, and you will be brushed aside or told you are 'too sensitive' as there are virtually no protections against this raping of your rights. Trying to get a lawyer to represent you, when there is no money for these bloodsuckers to make, is like wiggling your toes at a hurricane. Never going to happen, and is hard to prove. Just reflect on this. How many male nurses have you encountered, in say, hospice?? In my several decades of experience, not ONE MALE NURSE. I applied at one hospice place, seasons hospice, but the 'talent recruiter', told me they were seeking other candidates. I have Bachelor's degree in education as well as a two year associate's degree in respiratory therapy and they were 'actively seeking other candidates'. I still have the rejection voice mail from a certain Stacey and have been tempted to post it on youtube. Those of you who work in the field, how many male nurses have you seen in the hospice field? Well if you are honest and have any integrity, you would be lying if you saw any, perhaps one or more. So don't poo poo male nurses who are the last ones hired and the first ones fired. Discrimination is an ugly 2 way street which only affects male nurses because we have no protections and people think we exaggerate or whatever so the flagrant abuses against our supposed rights are routinely raped by others who focus on scratching each other's eyes out. No protections at all from those who are supposed to be ethical enough to trust other people's lives and well being in their hands. Frightening, truly frightening, yet happens on a routine basis

Actually, I've worked with quite a few men both in hospice, on an AIDS inpatient unit doing eol care and in my current incarnation in LTC - also the site of eol care. There are a myriad of possible reasons as to why you were not hired-including a strong tendency to high drama.

FWIW, protection from gender discrimination is not "enshrined in the constitution". The ERA was never ratified. Nor do you have a constitutional right to a any job you want.

However, there are anti-discrimination statutes at all levels of gov't that do include gender. Get in touch with your local EEOC and they can doubtless steer you from there.

Equal protection under the law is enshrined in the US Constitution.

Anyway, I'm a male nurse and have been one a long time. I don't think I've been subject to any substantive discrimination. There are sections of nursing that are even more dominated by women than the 93% majority of the profession they hold. However, in many of those portions of nursing men, once assigned, try to get out of. Where I work Long Term care, Floor Nursing and Primary Care are good examples where hardly any men work but honestly I think that s by choice. In other units and roles men appear to be over-represented. In my ER between 1/3rd and 1/2 of the nurses are men. Numbers are similar (if a little less) in our ICUs, Surgical Services, Specialty Clinics & Services and Management. I'm not trying to debated the right, wrong or reasons of this stuff bit it is observed facts that I've noticed.

Specializes in Pediatrics Retired.
Equal protection under the law is enshrined in the US Constitution.

Anyway, I'm a male nurse and have been one a long time. I don't think I've been subject to any substantive discrimination. There are sections of nursing that are even more dominated by women than the 93% majority of the profession they hold. However, in many of those portions of nursing men, once assigned, try to get out of. Where I work Long Term care, Floor Nursing and Primary Care are good examples where hardly any men work but honestly I think that s by choice. In other units and roles men appear to be over-represented. In my ER between 1/3rd and 1/2 of the nurses are men. Numbers are similar (if a little less) in our ICUs, Surgical Services, Specialty Clinics & Services and Management. I'm not trying to debated the right, wrong or reasons of this stuff bit it is observed facts that I've noticed.

I agree that men simply choose to avoid many areas of nursing. I know it's true for me. The only time I've been discriminated against for being a guy is when I would get called to restrain a combative patient or to help with a heavy lift transfer...and you know what? I'm OK with that on many levels. I think, overall, men are not "nurturers" and want to "fix" it and move on and avoid those environments otherwise.

Yeah I don't view wrestling with the insane drunk guy or picking up a huge patient as discrimination at all

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
You could not be more correct. If a female graduate in some male dominated profession was treated the way I was or have been trying to get a career, say law enforcement, I would be have been awarded millions many times over for 1/100,000,000 of the discrimination i had to go through both getting through nursing school and trying to gain employment. It is supposed to be enshrined in the US Constitution against discrimination based on gender, yet this supposed right is routinely violated and there are no checks or means to enforce this. Voice your grievances against what is FLAGRANT violations of your supposed Constitutional rights, and you will be brushed aside or told you are 'too sensitive' as there are virtually no protections against this raping of your rights. Trying to get a lawyer to represent you, when there is no money for these bloodsuckers to make, is like wiggling your toes at a hurricane. Never going to happen, and is hard to prove. Just reflect on this. How many male nurses have you encountered, in say, hospice?? In my several decades of experience, not ONE MALE NURSE. I applied at one hospice place, seasons hospice, but the 'talent recruiter', told me they were seeking other candidates. I have Bachelor's degree in education as well as a two year associate's degree in respiratory therapy and they were 'actively seeking other candidates'. I still have the rejection voice mail from a certain Stacey and have been tempted to post it on youtube. Those of you who work in the field, how many male nurses have you seen in the hospice field? Well if you are honest and have any integrity, you would be lying if you saw any, perhaps one or more. So don't poo poo male nurses who are the last ones hired and the first ones fired. Discrimination is an ugly 2 way street which only affects male nurses because we have no protections and people think we exaggerate or whatever so the flagrant abuses against our supposed rights are routinely raped by others who focus on scratching each other's eyes out. No protections at all from those who are supposed to be ethical enough to trust other people's lives and well being in their hands. Frightening, truly frightening, yet happens on a routine basis

Oh Good Lord! Drama much? I can see a few good reasons why you might not be hired.

As far as discrimination -- As a male, you have benefitted from the patriarchy. I find it difficult to get all riled up about your "rights" being trampled upon now when women have been run roughshod over by patriarchies for thousands of years. Even in nursing, men are disproportionately promoted to management positions and are paid more per hour than women with the same (or greater) education and experience. (And yes, hospice, too. The only hospice nurses I know are men.)

The only way nursing will not be abused is through unionizing i.e. National Nurses United and through crippling strikes.

I agree that men simply choose to avoid many areas of nursing. I know it's true for me. The only time I've been discriminated against for being a guy is when I would get called to restrain a combative patient or to help with a heavy lift transfer...and you know what? I'm OK with that on many levels. I think, overall, men are not "nurturers" and want to "fix" it and move on and avoid those environments otherwise.

Yeah I don't view wrestling with the insane drunk guy or picking up a huge patient as discrimination at all

No, nor do I see inserting catheters or checking locia or other stuff of that ilk discrimination.

There are differences in us, physically. I've been hit, groped, etc. I appreciate help, whether it's 2 more female nurses, or one burly male nurse.

Thanks for that, guys.