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Lpn & asn are are being phased out.

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geek has 1 years experience.

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You are sadly mistaken. ASN and LPNs are not being phased out. This debate has been going on forever. It makes me wonder what you are trying to achieve from this post.

If if your particular area requires a BSN, then get it. It does not mean the others are being phased out. It's your area. That tells me there are too many new grads and not enough jobs. Therefore, your chance of getting a job is slim. Maybe going for nursing is not prudent in your area.

Don't try to be an expert in what hospitals are hiring in the entire US or what magnet means. Magnet is about RN retention. Not what degree they hold. That is a common misperception among people who don't understand what magnet status actually is. I work in a level one trauma center.

They are in the northeast you cannot get a hospital job without a bsn in or around Philly. My friend even sat down with one of the hospital execs and explained our class was adn with bs in things like psych biology etc. guy didn't give a flying f that they were screwing our new grads out

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geek has 1 years experience.

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Two large hospital systems in my area have gone BSN only. I never thought I would see that. If you are already employed fine, otherwise you are out of luck. I have been a nurse over 20 years and I have seen a shift. Because there are so many schools pumping out RN's monthly they can afford to enforce their policy. They have also ceased hiring LPN's at all and are moving the floor nurses out of acute care into their clinics and affiliated physician's offices. If I were entering nursing now I would just get the BSN and be done with it. I had an excellent run as an LPN working ER/MS/ICU and even travel nursing for years. That era is over and you are naive' if you refuse to see it. A few years ago you didn't need a Masters to be an NP and now...

Exactly the class that graduated ahead of me get their dream job and we got the door slammed in our face.

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geek has 1 years experience.

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I'm graduating with a ASN in two weeks and have secured a job with a magnet hospital in my area. The LPN program in our area is going strong as well. I know a few ladies who have graduated in the past year and had no trouble finding jobs at all. Maybe it is happening where you live, but things here are pretty good for ASN and LPNs.

Where are you?

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featherzRN has 30 years experience as a MSN and specializes in Outpatient/Clinic, ClinDoc.

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reporting in from upstate NY.. one smaller hospital near me fired all the LPN's and was hiring ADN's, but recently has started posting 'bsn or ADN with > 20 years experience'. Another smaller hospital I do not believe has any LPN's and requires BSN within 4.. My MUCH larger magnet hospital will take ADN or BSN and hires a TON of LPN's - mostly in the LTC areas but they were also hiring in the OR and a few other places..

My job is BSN only but they'll do an exception if they really want you. I went and got the BSN about three years ago - totally worth it to not have to worry about it and I went somewhere cheap enough that I could pay cash. :)

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realnursealso/LPN has 34 years experience as a LPN and specializes in Peds Homecare.

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Before I told you the true culprits of this phase out nonsense, I had to find a link to back me up. I knew some of you would jump to defend the truly culpable starters of this sentence.I am totally sick and tired of reading on Allnurses. I have been a member here since 2000. It used to make me furious, now, I just laugh at the stupidity of the statement. So, thank the elitist union, of those they promote. THE AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION! They spewed this in 1965, just because that is what THEY WANTED, to happen. It's not going to happen. http://www.digitaleditionsonline.com/publication/?i=197384&article_id=1635395&view=articleBrowser&ver=html5#{"issue_id":197384,"view":"articleBrowser","article_id":"1635395"}

So, read it, and never be so gullible again to even think it is something that is going to happen.

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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Most hospitals require a BSN degree upon hire now. Especially magnet hospitals. It's becoming a baseline necessity for RN's. Would be smart to acquire one. I started out with my ADN then did ADN to BSN. Now doing BSN to MSN.

Agree the smart thing to do is to go ahead and get the degree. I do see the irony of Magnet hospitals supposedly requiring BSNs (not in my area). The worst work environments for nurses and employers of last resort are typically Magnet hospitals.

In my area there are "BSN preferred" on a lot of jobs, but I haven't seen any "BSN required" on staff nursing jobs yet.

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Conqueror+ has 22 years experience.

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Before I told you the true culprits of this phase out nonsense, I had to find a link to back me up. I knew some of you would jump to defend the truly culpable starters of this sentence.I am totally sick and tired of reading on Allnurses. I have been a member here since 2000. It used to make me furious, now, I just laugh at the stupidity of the statement. So, thank the elitist union, of those they promote. THE AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION! They spewed this in 1965, just because that is what THEY WANTED, to happen. It's not going to happen. http://www.digitaleditionsonline.com/publication/?i=197384&article_id=1635395&view=articleBrowser&ver=html5#{"issue_id":197384,"view":"articleBrowser","article_id":"1635395"}

So, read it, and never be so gullible again to even think it is something that is going to happen.

Um, it has already happened where some of us live. I think the gullible people are the ones who do not prepare in advance when they see changes in their area. Some of us don't want to be limited to LTC, corrections, and physician's offices or other non hospital jobs. Like it or not, In my area you will not be hired in anyone's hospital with an LPN. That was not the case a few years ago. Do your homework if you are in school or trying to decide on a program. Know what is waiting for you in your local job market.

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NICUorbust has 1 years experience.

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I attend a Western NM University, and the ADN program is being phased out. The fall cohort is the last class it will be offered to. They are going strictly BSN.

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I'm more surprised ASNs haven't been phased out already in the US...it doesn't make sense to get the same entry position/ pay for less education. The increasing complexity/ needs of health care naturally phases out certain education/ roles and increases others. In 20+ years I'm sure nursing students will have different standards.

As for the cost of education, that's a whole other issue and I feel should be addressed nationally. It's gradually becoming a class issue, where the middle classique is phases out and input the children of wealthy parents can afford university. No one should have to go into crippling debt to be able to get a post secondary degree.

Less education no...less "fluff" yes...I don't need a course in "nursing theory" and "nursing informatics" to be a good nurse. Clinical skills are far more important than fluff. I graduated from an ASN program (that has since been phased out) from Penn State. One of the best nursing programs in my area. In fact the local hospitals loved our graduates, an hired far more of our new grads than the BSN program from a private university a mile away.

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geek has 1 years experience.

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Agree the smart thing to do is to go ahead and get the degree. I do see the irony of Magnet hospitals supposedly requiring BSNs (not in my area). The worst work environments for nurses and employers of last resort are typically Magnet hospitals.

In my area there are "BSN preferred" on a lot of jobs, but I haven't seen any "BSN required" on staff nursing jobs yet.

In my area "bsn preferred" means "bsn required" and that's all the hospitals

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djh123 has 5 years experience and specializes in LTC, Rehab.

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Where I work (an LTC/rehab facility) at least 1/2, maybe nearly 2/3, of the nurses are LPN's. Don't worry about a MSN becoming the norm. Think about it: there's a huge demand for nurses, and realistically, how many are going to get a MSN?

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mushyrn has 6 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Critical care.

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While I don't think phasing out, such as in firing, LPNs and ADNs, is the proper way to go about things, I do feel that making the BSN the new minimum standard entry to the profession is a good way to go. Nurses cry out for respect and a seat at the table, and yet, one can become a nurse in less than 16 months. No modern profession allows this. A Bachelors level degree provides a person with a well-rounded education outside the scope of their individual career paths and opens doors to many different paths in life.

If we want nursing to be some side-trade job, fine, continue to bash nurses with a Bachelors degree and let people with less than 2 years of schooling become nurses. However, if we want respect for our career and educational level, a BSN as entry to the profession needs to be mandatory ASAP. Yeah, feelings will be hurt and insecurities will be brought to light, but higher education should be the goal for our career, ALWAYS. Nobody should be bashed for having a higher level of education, and nursing is the only "profession" which does that to its members.

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