Lpn & asn are are being phased out.

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I live in the midwest and I've been seeing that schools have discontinued the LPN and ASN programs. Will the entry level for a nurse be BSN or MSN??? What will happen to nurses that only has an ASN?? I'm more concerned about people that are okay with just being an ASN and not wanting to go to school for 4 years(like myself) & knowing you'll never pay off your student loans.:no: Can somebody tell me why???

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Not so in my Midwest region. No difference in salary between the two. Definitely no preference shown.

I totally understand where you are going from, however, this is becoming the standard more and more. I expect this trend will make its way to your area also.

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Specializes in Nursing Home.

I live in the Deep South (Louisiana) LPNs and AD RNs are going strong here. LPNs staff long term care facilities here, home health agencies, rehab hospitals, med Surg units, physicians offices etc. AD RNs here really aren't limited at all. I'm an LPN abs we are so short on LTC Nurses here even with every level of nurse, I just don't see it humanly possible that BSN RNs can fill all these positions. That's going to be more years of schooling before licensed nurses can go into the community and fill these positions. LPNs can go out in 15-18 months and fill positions and ADN RNs can go out in 2-3 years and fill positions. Can you imagine how short staffed facilities would be if the only way to become a Nurse was 4 1/2-5 years of schooling ?? That would really hurt the everyday world of the profession and put a strain on existing practicing nurses.

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Specializes in Nursing Home.
Yawn. Been there heard that. If LPN's are ever phased out, nursing homes will cease to exist.

Amen [emoji119]🏻! LTCs rely on our LPN skill, scope, and price to be the primary floor nurses in there facilities. They won't pay the BSN RN price, and with all the options that BSN prepared RNs have it is very unlikely they will go into or remain in long term care as floor nurses.

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They are in the northeast you cannot get a hospital job without a bsn in or around Philly. My friend even sat down with one of the hospital execs and explained our class was adn with bs in things like psych biology etc. guy didn't give a flying f that they were screwing our new grads out

What do you mean screwed over? I'm wondering what type of school you went to? Was it accredited? Maybe a for profit commercial which is why you have so much in student loans? That could be why you are not being considered. Plus, a prior degree means nothing in the nursing world. Nothing.

You our need to research your job market. I did that before attending school. My school was very inexpensive and I'm graduated debt free. My school is also one of the best. Several nurses on my unit asked me where I graduated from. I told them and all said, Oh students from so and so can get jobs anywhere. Good choice. Every person from my class had a job upon graduation. Actually, the entire region did. Two of my classmates got jobs at a huge hospital in Minnesota, and one in Georgia. So it's not limited to just my area.

A job posting that says BSN preferred does not say BSN required. If you have a good resume and great interview skills, you should be considered. That could also be a problem. Do you interview well? What does your cover letter look like? You need to stand out.

But, some areas that have a ton of new grads, jobs are difficult. Hospitals can be picky. Another PP was correct, there is more to nursing than hospital care. And not just LTC either. Have you looked into any of those? Clinics maybe? Infusion centers?

Complaining that it's the school's fault and not yours does no good? Seriously, what has it done for you? Nothing but suck out energy.

I just 100% disagree with the OP. She hasn't done her research and then posts a false statement. She says she's in Chicagoland and I'm not all that far away. My school is alive and well in that area.

But it if the OP feels they only hire BSNs, then she needs to get that. But don't come on here and make a statement that LPNs and ASNs are being phased out. It's simply not true.

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It is this type of crap that is so saddening for our profession. Nursing, again, is the only "profession" that puts down other members for having an appropriately-leveled education to legitimately be called a profession. A Bachelors degree is more than fluff and pomp. You DO learn more than an ADN and you DO have a more well-rounded college education.

This is NOT calling ADN/LPNs stupid or less capable. I have no idea why so many ADN/LPN nurses are adamantly against getting a Bachelors degree. It can only help nursing as a whole.

I have no less technical skill and clinical experience than you do, what I don't have is extraneous classes like "Death and Dying", "Nursing Informatics", "The Theory of Nursing" etc etc etc...

and for the record I HAVE a BA in another field - I went back as a second career nurse. I got 2 full year of clinicals in a hospital, which is more than some of the BSN students get, the large majority of them spend a year in a SIM lab...I'm not against getting a bachelors degree AGAIN, what I don't have is money - if you're young and its the first time you're in college, yea go get the degree, but for us old farts (I went into nursing as a 2nd career) who have mortgages, car payments and kids, its not necessarily feasible. And we all pass the same NCLEX - so until that changes, you can't said that your BSN makes you a "better nurse"

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Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.

I can see both sides of this argument of yea or nay to getting a BSN. What I also see is all of the threads here on AN where someone is crying about being miserable and hating nursing and wanting out, which makes me wonder what it would be like to complete four years of education and accrue thousands of dollars of student loan debt only to find out that you hate your chosen profession with a vengeance and want out but find that your education is too specialized to get hired into any other profession, as opposed to a more general degree like Communications or Business.

Based on what I see everyday on these forums about nurses hating nursing and regretting their career choice, I think it is a very good argument for getting an ADN and then pursuing an RN to BSN program at a later date after getting some experience and figuring out if nursing is what you really want to do. That way, if it isn't, you can pursue an associates or bachelors degree in another field without already having accrued the time and expense of four years of school.

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I totally understand where you are going from, however, this is becoming the standard more and more. I expect this trend will make its way to your area also.

There aren't enough BSN's willing to work at the bedside. I don't see it happening any time soon. Just as it has not happened for the decades that it has been threatened.

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Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.
There aren't enough BSN's willing to work at the bedside. I don't see it happening any time soon. Just as it has not happened for the decades that it has been threatened.

So true! I have worked with so many young BSN nurses or talked to young people in BSN programs in recent years who have no intention of working at the bedside at all. The vast majority of them seem to be planning to pursue their NP or CRNA as soon as they become an RN specifically to get away from the bedside. I even had one young BSN who worked at an LTAC where I ran acute dialysis patients tell me, "As soon as I'm a nurse practitioner, I'm outta here! I didn't go to school for four years to wipe butts!" That's her prerogative, of course, but bedside nurses sure do a lot more than "wipe butts", such as...keep people alive...educate people...placate stressed out family members...communicate with physicians on a daily basis...but whatever.

It makes me wonder what hospital staffing will look like 10-20 years from now when the older nurses who work bedside are retired. Honestly, since the oldest Baby Boomers are just now starting to get old and the youngest are still in their fifties, I see a HUGE demand for bedside nurses down the road, and there is no way that demand will be filled with BSNs, especially with what it costs to go to a four year university these days.

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I have no less technical skill and clinical experience than you do, what I don't have is extraneous classes like "Death and Dying", "Nursing Informatics", "The Theory of Nursing" etc etc etc...

My feelings about the BSN as entry haven nothing to do with someone who is already a nurse and working. I am talking about the FUTURE. Where do we want our profession to go?

If we want to legitimately be considered as a "profession", we CANNOT continue to degrade further nursing education and courses. We cannot degrade those wanting a higher education level. A bachelors degree is the MINIMUM, repeat, MINIMUM entry to practice in any other profession that is respected and in high esteem. This is the present and the future.

Again, I AM talking about the first time college students who are entering the nursing profession. It should be a BSN entry only going forward. It shouldn't be some trade job that requires 15 months of training. We may as well be plumbers (not that anything is wrong with plumbers, but we should aspire for more). I don't see why people are so against this.

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There are a lot of factors that can influence individual geographic areas. It's VERY competitive in my large metroplex. I have seen this exact shift described in the above comment over the last 20 years. There are no more LVNS at my facility. The last one left 3 years ago. If they hire an ADN (which they will not do if there's an equivalent BSN candidate)then a contact to get BSN within 3 years is signed. They will not hire an ADN manager because it influences reporting to magnet surveys. Magnet surveys require reporting % of BSNs for all nursing staff. Is it completely true everywhere ? Another facility (state run psych) I worked at simultaneously will hire LVNS . The pay for RNs there is really poor just as it is in nursing homes where they also still hire LVNS. I had the job PRN for experience factor I wanted. When there was a TRUE nursing shortage 20 years ago as an ADN I could walk in anywhere and get a job...now moving around is possible still but not as easy. All job listings post either: BSN only or ADN/BSN preferred.

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What do you mean screwed over? I'm wondering what type of school you went to? Was it accredited? Maybe a for profit commercial which is why you have so much in student loans? That could be why you are not being considered. Plus, a prior degree means nothing in the nursing world. Nothing.

You our need to research your job market. I did that before attending school. My school was very inexpensive and I'm graduated debt free. My school is also one of the best. Several nurses on my unit asked me where I graduated from. I told them and all said, Oh students from so and so can get jobs anywhere. Good choice. Every person from my class had a job upon graduation. Actually, the entire region did. Two of my classmates got jobs at a huge hospital in Minnesota, and one in Georgia. So it's not limited to just my area.

A job posting that says BSN preferred does not say BSN required. If you have a good resume and great interview skills, you should be considered. That could also be a problem. Do you interview well? What does your cover letter look like? You need to stand out.

But, some areas that have a ton of new grads, jobs are difficult. Hospitals can be picky. Another PP was correct, there is more to nursing than hospital care. And not just LTC either. Have you looked into any of those? Clinics maybe? Infusion centers?

Complaining that it's the school's fault and not yours does no good? Seriously, what has it done for you? Nothing but suck out energy.

I just 100% disagree with the OP. She hasn't done her research and then posts a false statement. She says she's in Chicagoland and I'm not all that far away. My school is alive and well in that area.

But it if the OP feels they only hire BSNs, then she needs to get that. But don't come on here and make a statement that LPNs and ASNs are being phased out. It's simply not true.

Umm yes it was a community college that is accepted into all Pennsylvania state schools. What does the stock market plunge of 08 have to do with researching markets? Did you not read where I said everyone in the class before us got jobs and mostly hospital jobs? The hospital that we did clinicals in and the other hospital )and many Philly main hospitals did not hire gn that year due to the crash. But then the hospital and the other one started hiring graduate nurses the next year but would not hire adn nurses even the hospital we did our clinicals at that was affiliated with the program. When we started our courses the hospital recruiter really sold gloats hard the fact that they wanted us to come work there. Then they refused to hire us.

Eta: magnet status must have been years in the planning for this place. They knew at some point they would not hire the adns from their own program yet didn't mention this in information sessions. Plus magnet does not mean they can have no adns they have to have a percentage of bsn . They could have reached out the next year since most infuse still didn't have jobs and offer gn positions with the condition you get your bsn.

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What do you mean screwed over? I'm wondering what type of school you went to? Was it accredited? Maybe a for profit commercial which is why you have so much in student loans? That could be why you are not being considered. Plus, a prior degree means nothing in the nursing world. Nothing.

You our need to research your job market. I did that before attending school. My school was very inexpensive and I'm graduated debt free. My school is also one of the best. Several nurses on my unit asked me where I graduated from. I told them and all said, Oh students from so and so can get jobs anywhere. Good choice. Every person from my class had a job upon graduation. Actually, the entire region did. Two of my classmates got jobs at a huge hospital in Minnesota, and one in Georgia. So it's not limited to just my area.

A job posting that says BSN preferred does not say BSN required. If you have a good resume and great interview skills, you should be considered. That could also be a problem. Do you interview well? What does your cover letter look like? You need to stand out.

But, some areas that have a ton of new grads, jobs are difficult. Hospitals can be picky. Another PP was correct, there is more to nursing than hospital care. And not just LTC either. Have you looked into any of those? Clinics maybe? Infusion centers?

Complaining that it's the school's fault and not yours does no good? Seriously, what has it done for you? Nothing but suck out energy.

I just 100% disagree with the OP. She hasn't done her research and then posts a false statement. She says she's in Chicagoland and I'm not all that far away. My school is alive and well in that area.

But it if the OP feels they only hire BSNs, then she needs to get that. But don't come on here and make a statement that LPNs and ASNs are being phased out. It's simply not true.

When did I say I was in Chicago? I'm near Philly and you are full of it about research. What don't you get about the fact that they changed the rules in our last year? There are two hospital systems near me; main line health and Penn medicine. I am not lying here.

Also did you see that my friend sat down with Main Line Health about not hiring adns and they wouldn't budge? Their positions at least in 2010 said bsn preferred . I have 20 years at another job with excellent references and magna cum laude in health administration from Penn State and a 3.8 from my adn. You're full of it

And I don't have huge student loans but as a single mother with a mortgage I cannot afford more debt while my kid is also in college

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