Let me be clear there is NO nursing shortage!!!!!!!!! and now THIS????

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Let me be clear: THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so ****** OFF right now. There are literally thousands of new grads, like myself, who are struggling ALL OVER THE U.S. who can't find jobs for the life of them. This is absurd!!

I have applied to over 30 jobs and cannot get a single call back. I have spent numerous nights sobbing in my bed because I can't afford my loans starting in December and might have to consider filing bankruptcy. :crying2::bluecry1::crying2::bluecry1:

And now, to hear that a Florida congressman wants to "import" foreign nursing to "combat the current nursing shortage" is more than I can take (http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_2536.html). Are you serious? Pleas tell me you're JOKING!!!

Why did I foolishly even consider becoming a nurse in the first place (besides it being my childhood dream)? What a waste of time. :banghead:

I just can't take this anymore.................

State of Mass, it is due to liability, I have had numerous student loose their aide job when they become RNs orLPNs.

I doubt that it's actually against the law -- it's usually just that employers aren't willing to hire people into lower level (lower than their education and credentials, I mean) positions, or allow them to continue in a current position when they have reached a higher level of licensure/credential (because of the complicated liability issues, as you note).

I was soooo stupid! I even volunteered to train them how to enter grades in our systems. Since they didn't understand a lot of the language. They thought I was an aide and were extremely rude to me. I stopped helping them.

As soon as one of them saw me teaching in a classroom she said "oh, you're a teacha?" I'm happy for them. I guess they have a lot of laws to protect them and I get the abuse with no job.

One more question! How do I get admitted to a university in the Philipines?

I found a job as a new grad in an intern program a month after graduation. What worked for me was that I did an externship the previous summer and stayed on as flexi-patient care tech. I was just at the right place at the right time. I see others have advised you to physically go to these facilities with your resume; meet the nurse managers, network with other new grads b/c they may have some leads as to job possibilities, do an inventory of your strengths and your weaknesses and be honest to yourself and whoever interviews you.

I'm sorry you took a big hit financially. For right now you need to find a source of income (even if it isn't healthcare). I have seen these times come and go. Fortunately, they pass and then they will be looking for more nurses.....YOU !!!!

WRONG!!!

In Canada, we have had many Australian and NZ prepared RNs migrate, have their credentials assessed and been granted RN permits.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe the context was not as clear as I thought it was... I was referring to nurses migrating from Philippines since that is the field of reference and that is the #1 place for nurses to come from since the Philippines is the only nation with a nursing surplus.

Also, you are talking about countries with the same basic structure of healthcare in Australia, NZ, UK and Canada so it makes sense that those nurses would migrate without issue much like a US nurse being able to endorse to anywhere in the USA without problems.

So if there are lay offs the foreign nurses stay and the Americans get dumped, sorry this is wrong.

Maybe you'd like to have your nursing union secure work contracts for you then? That way the hospital would have to employ you for a certain number of years. Of course that also means that you would not be allowed to switch jobs, relocate or do anything which would separate you from employment without stiff penalties.

There are pros and cons, the foreign nurse gets a lot of things but he/she sacrifices a lot of freedom in order to do it.

Volunteer nursing does not count in the USA. Sorry. You do not have to have a BSN for immigration, you need the highest level of education for your country. This is only true for the Philippines. Other countries the nurse can have a diploma.

Volunteer nursing depends on the hospital. As I said, SOME (not all) hospitals in the USA are recognizing that Pinoy nurses are required to be just as responsible for their patients as volunteers or paid staff. This is an exploitation of nurses in the Philippines and it is a huge problem; but that's an issue for another thread.

You do not have to have a BSN for immigration... That is not what I said.

What I said was that if your position from the sponsor company requires a BSN that you must have a BSN at the correct educational level in order to be granted an occupational visa. The person and the job have to match 100%..

And using your stats....that is a horrible nursing education system. Perhaps the country needs to clean up it's own education before exporting ?

Yes and no.

Yes the education system is horrible as a whole, however there are many excellent schools and the local board exam has increased in difficulty over the years (hence the lower passing rate) so the nurses that pass local board today are the same calibur as the nurses passing the local board 10-15 years ago.

American should take care of their own.

You should be happy that First Nation tribes didn't feel the same way when white men immigrated.

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Because you cannot be an RN in CA, NZ or other countries without being educated in those countries. Immigrant nurses MUST enter as LPN/LVN positions and then build their way up to RN positions.

Once the USA adopts universal health care then perhaps the same program will be implemented by the government as is done in every other country that has universal health care.

Where on earth did you get this from? I haven't worked in Canada, but I've worked in Australia, NZ (briefly) & the UK - there are absolutely foreign-trained RNs in both countries. Australia has skills-based immigration and we have tons of foreign-educated nurses (esp UK).

One more question! How do I get admitted to a university in the Philipines?

Apply through the normal channels. I'd suggest you look at some of the more upscale schools like De La Salle, Sto Tomas or the various Doctor's Universities (Manila and Cebu and others) you can look on PRC's website for the Philippines to see the higher ranking schools by % of board passers.

Lots of foreigners come to the Philippines to get degrees, if you come here in University Belt of Manila you'll see dozens of Persians taking up nursing or other medical courses to go back to Iran and practice.

I've even run across Africans studying here to eventually immigrate to the USA since Philippine nursing education is 100% in English and the higher quality schools are teaching at or near US standards unlike the schools in Africa, many of which will not pass evaluations by the state boards.

Maybe you'd like to have your nursing union secure work contracts for you then? That way the hospital would have to employ you for a certain number of years. Of course that also means that you would not be allowed to switch jobs, relocate or do anything which would separate you from employment without stiff penalties.

There are pros and cons, the foreign nurse gets a lot of things but he/she sacrifices a lot of freedom in order to do it.

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I don't belong to a nursing union, but I will contact my Senator and Congressmen to make stricter laws so foreign workers are the first to go. It is not easy to be a nurse in the USA and the US students have to make many sacrifices and don't have the security of their parents financial support.

Volunteer nursing depends on the hospital. As I said, SOME (not all) hospitals in the USA are recognizing that Pinoy nurses are required to be just as responsible for their patients as volunteers or paid staff. This is an exploitation of nurses in the Philippines and it is a huge problem; but that's an issue for another thread.

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I don't know one hospital that counts "volunteer nursing" as experience. I am often at National Conferences and National Conference calls and have never heard of this practice. Perhaps a nurse who works in the USA could support this claim.

Do any US nurses know of any place that gives credit for volunteer experience?

You do not have to have a BSN for immigration... That is not what I said.

What I said was that if your position from the sponsor company requires a BSN that you must have a BSN at the correct educational level in order to be granted an occupational visa. The person and the job have to match 100%..

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That is only true for Pinoy nurses where the minimum educational level is a BSN. Many other foreign nurses with diplomas have immigrated.

Yes and no.

Yes the education system is horrible as a whole, however there are many excellent schools and the local board exam has increased in difficulty over the years (hence the lower passing rate) so the nurses that pass local board today are the same calibur as the nurses passing the local board 10-15 years ago.

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If the education has increased why has the NCLEX pass rate mimic the Dow Jones?

"You should be happy that First Nation tribes didn't feel the same way when white men immigrated."

My understanding is that no American can qualify to practice in the Philippines? Is that not correct? Why should the US open its arms to countries that do not allow qualified nurses to work in their country?

I agree nursing should follow the medical model when importing foreign trained nurses.

My understanding is that no American can qualify to practice in the Philippines? Is that not correct? Why should the US open its arms to countries that do not allow qualified nurses to work in their country?

I agree nursing should follow the medical model when importing foreign trained nurses.

A) What does that have to do with anything in this discussion?

B) Why would you want to even want to start drawing on Philippine Policy as a basis for American Policy?

Although the Republicans would probably LOVE the high levels of graft that it would permit. :p

Well said. Lets not get off the subject. I myself have heard everywhere that there is a huge nursing shortage. I also read somewhere that it is expected that between 2011 and 2014 about 55% of nurses plan to retire and that it will create more jobs for nurses. Also, they say that by 2030 for someting like that, the number of needed nurses will increase tremendously. According to some, now is the time to become a nurse. I am planning on applying next month but seriously, I'm getting scared. I routinely look at the job openings in my local hospitals and I don't find a huge number of openings. 7-10. Not the numbers that some "experts" say. Could this nursing "shortage" talk be just a marketing scheme to bump up enrollment at Nursing Schools?

Why topics like these have to almost always turn into a battle of american nurses vs.foreign nurse,the truth is that there is no nursing shortage it is rather a a trick invented by the health care system,goverment,just our greedy politicians.

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