Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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12 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

According to this site, florida and new York are pretty similar for vaccination rates. Fl:62 and 51%, vs NY: 66 and 59% (respective to partial and fully vaccinated). That's pretty comparable. To put all the blame on vaccination status given the spike in Florida (no mandate) vs new York (mandate) seems incorrect at this time. Maybe the situation is more complicated than just one factor like vaccination. 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

Or...maybe the science is correct and the Delta variant is more contagious and causes more severe illness and the unvaccinated are more likely to be infected, require acute hospitalization or die while wildly replicating the virus and risking more variant creation or spread of disease.  

The current data for hospitalizations is a pretty good indication that attempting to achieve herd immunity by infection is not a recommended or sustainable strategy.  What additional evidence do you require to realize that unvaccinated covid cases are distressing our health system nearly to the point of collapse?

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13 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

According to this site, florida and new York are pretty similar for vaccination rates. Fl:62 and 51%, vs NY: 66 and 59% (respective to partial and fully vaccinated). That's pretty comparable. To put all the blame on vaccination status given the spike in Florida (no mandate) vs new York (mandate) seems incorrect at this time. Maybe the situation is more complicated than just one factor like vaccination. 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

Not really.  NY does did not encourage large masses of people to mingle closely like in Trump rallies.  Other mitigation efforts were encouraged instead of being ridiculed as totalitarian.  It's not that hard to .  It's a highly educated state that doesn't need to take orders from lunatic authorities like DeSantis, etc.  They are more skeptical of morons.

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Or...maybe the science is correct and the Delta variant is more contagious and causes more severe illness and the unvaccinated are more likely to be infected, require acute hospitalization or die while wildly replicating the virus and risking more variant creation or spread of disease.  

The current data for hospitalizations is a pretty good indication that attempting to achieve herd immunity by infection is not a recommended or sustainable strategy.  What additional evidence do you require to realize that unvaccinated covid cases are distressing our health system nearly to the point of collapse?

Hmm... Let's see. I would have to see proof that the health care system is a monolithic structure, uniform across the country and the only factor is vaccination status in areas where covid inpts are spiking. I would also have to see evidence that hospital systems are not making matters worse by firing staff in the name of mandates (this could be a contributing factor in this "collapse of healthcare"). Some hospitals are maxed out. Many are mostly empty. It's not as simple as you seem to be implying.

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4 minutes ago, subee said:

Not really.  NY does did not encourage large masses of people to mingle closely like in Trump rallies.  Other mitigation efforts were encouraged instead of being ridiculed as totalitarian.  It's not that hard to .  It's a highly educated state that doesn't need to take orders from lunatic authorities like DeSantis, etc.  They are more skeptical of morons.

You are forgetting the many BLM rallies that have taken place. What evidence is there that Trump rallies, and not BLM rallies, are spreading the virus (other than your preconceived notions).

Your narcissism is showing btw. It's amazing to me how negatively you think of people "beneath"you. It's quite funny actually. Your arrogant attitude is hilarious. 

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35 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

1.Mandating is not forcing. It's asking people to make a choice. No one is holding anyone's arm to a fire threatening with a needle. Choices have consequences.

2.One more thing bearing repeating: Diabetes, CHF, kidney disease, and other such chronic illness do put a strain on the healthcare system. But if I sit next them on the bus or at dinner, they are not going to give their diseases to me or my loved ones.

1.Slavery and vaccination are none the same.  Let me put this in perspective:

Remember when Kanye West made a comment relative to slavery being a choice?  

That's where we have to be careful when describing choice.  

"Either do what I tell you or get tied to a tree and whipped, your choice.  Choices have consequences"

 "put this new drug in your body, or get fired and suffer the consequences"

Choice? yes.  Fair choice???

Let's also remember, the same employers that want to force us in to a decision are the same employers that told us it was cool to take off the n95/100 masks and just wear a basic surgical mask.  

CDC said the vaccinated could take their masks off indoors in public.  

Leadership makes mistakes, and we end up paying for the mistakes of others through mandates.

2. Even if you can't sneeze those diseases on someone, the burden to the system is still created.  I would argue that those chronic illnesses can be spread in the form of observed and taught behaviors.  different subject though.

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19 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Hmm... Let's see. I would have to see proof that the health care system is a monolithic structure, uniform across the country and the only factor is vaccination status in areas where covid inpts are spiking. I would also have to see evidence that hospital systems are not making matters worse by firing staff in the name of mandates (this could be a contributing factor in this "collapse of healthcare"). Some hospitals are maxed out. Many are mostly empty. It's not as simple as you seem to be implying.

It sounds like you don't think that covid infections are the root of the problem in American healthcare at this moment.  

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1029378744/hospital-beds-shortage-covid-coronavirus-states

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/07/26/overwhelmed-us-hospital-systems-a-look-into-the-future/

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/federal-team-sent-to-alabama-hospital-overwhelmed-by-covid-19-patients.html

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No 10g it's not at all comparable. That is sensationalizing.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You will have to inquire how your state is testing and cataloguing the covid tests.  I know that in Alaska and Wyoming the positive swabs are sent to the state genetics lab where the specimens are processed for sequencing.  That takes about 48 hours to completely run the process, reconnect the results with the individual test and report to the state department of health.  Delta is the most common cause of covid infection in most states and regions right now.  

 

My state of Washington is taking up to 30 days for sequencing (ID'ing for variant ) due to the high number of positive tests. So far, up to 90% are Delta. 

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30 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

My state of Washington is taking up to 30 days for sequencing (ID'ing for variant ) due to the high number of positive tests. So far, up to 90% are Delta. 

Some states have increased that capacity by enlisting genetics labs in veterinary sciences in university settings.  Instead of sequencing contagious diseases in wildlife and livestock they are now sequencing covid swabs. 

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You are forgetting the many BLM rallies that have taken place. What evidence is there that Trump rallies, and not BLM rallies, are spreading the virus (other than your preconceived notions).

Your narcissism is showing btw. It's amazing to me how negatively you think of people "beneath"you. It's quite funny actually. Your arrogant attitude is hilarious. 

If you do any research, you won't be able to find a superspreader event following a BLM March.  That surprised me but when you look at the behaviors of their respective crowds, it makes sense.  Trump's rallies generated several superspreaders.  All of this is well documented, if you are interested in the facts.  Yes, I am superior to people who spread lies about a pandemic but that's probably it.  I'm too lazy for parades or rallies and I don't feel obligated to worship any leader.  They are employed by me:) 

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Let's don't forget the big rally in Sturgis, the COVID rates are skyrocketing in South Dakota now, too.

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15 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

OK. Let me lay this out. Covid unit. Terrible. Sad. All the pts on this unit have diagnosis. Confirmed. Can they get "worse covid"? No. Sure if unvaccinated nurses get floated from covid units to non covid units, sure that is a concern. But from my knowledge, those on a covid unit stay on the covid unit. No? What difference does it make if the nurse is vaccinated? They can't spread it to the covid pts. So. How bout non covid pts? How bout all NON covid units staffed with vaccinated nurse? That would make sense. And the hospital could retain it's staff without mandates. I have not heard this idea discussed literally anywhere. All I hear is GET VACCINATED! PERIOD!" It's never specific to anything. 

You've never heard an explanation of people should get vaccinated other than "get vaccinated! Period! ?

So you support a mandate that all nurses who don't work in a Covid unit should be required to be vaccinated?

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