Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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3 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I am not blaming the true victim. You know, the one who got his vaccine and is not taking up a bed in the hospital.  The guy who may lose functioning of his leg. That one.

And I would rather not be a victim. So I take all reasonable precautions not to be.

I mean, is it literally impossible to move the guy to a different location? Does he HAVE to remain at his current location? If it were me, I would be on the phone until I found somewhere to get the procedure done. 

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3 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I mean, is it literally impossible to move the guy to a different location? Does he HAVE to remain at his current location? If it were me, I would be on the phone until I found somewhere to get the procedure done. 

Is it impossible? Well I dunno, a broken femur makes it hard. Right now, there are no accommodations for miles and miles. How far will you travel with a broken leg? How will you feel? He will have to travel, WHEN they find a hospital and surgeon ready to take him.

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22 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

If it were you, and this happened how would you feel? How would you feel if your loved one were suffering for no good reason d/t unavailability of beds in any hospital miles around????

YES I blame COVID for taking up all the damned beds! You bet. Not going to deny it.

I hear you.  It's frustrating to see the health care system was already challenged with providing quality care for everyone.  The pandemic exacerbated the situation.  On the surface it seems COVID patients are responsible.  

Consider a few things:

1. We don't harbor hostility toward the chronically ill that have burdened the health care system and government funded programs for years.  Just because they can't cough their illness on to someone doesn't mean their choices haven't presented challenges much like the COVID patient

2. Our leadership has delivered a variety of mixed messages since the beginning of this outbreak.  Trust has been an issue.  Not all of the admitted COVID patients set out to antagonize society.  

3. Bearing animosity and expressing it toward the unvaccinated reinforces their hesitancy, leading to their admission.  There are going to be those who won't do it out of pure defiance.  There's many who would have benefited from more education, information, and empathy toward their perspectives.  Instead, medical professionals and society have let their emotional outbursts take control making things worse.

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8 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I hear you.  It's frustrating to see the health care system was already challenged with providing quality care for everyone.  The pandemic exacerbated the situation.  On the surface it seems COVID patients are responsible.  

Consider a few things:

1. We don't harbor hostility toward the chronically ill that have burdened the health care system and government funded programs for years.  Just because they can't cough their illness on to someone doesn't mean their choices haven't presented challenges much like the COVID patient

2. Our leadership has delivered a variety of mixed messages since the beginning of this outbreak.  Trust has been an issue.  Not all of the admitted COVID patients set out to antagonize society.  

3. Bearing animosity and expressing it toward the unvaccinated reinforces their hesitancy, leading to their admission.  There are going to be those who won't do it out of pure defiance.  There's many who would have benefited from more education, information, and empathy toward their perspectives.  Instead, medical professionals and society have let their emotional outbursts take control making things worse.

The chronically ill are not able to get beds either. This is preventable! Things did not have to get this bad.

I can't change the chronically ill's situations, but I can vaccinate to prevent death and disability for myself. And I did.

I do harbor some resentment toward people who make horrible decisions, yes. I work with chronically ill people who have a sort of "learned" helplessness about them that makes it infuriating. They want us to fix everything when for years they could have prevented this illness themselves----- and now want US to fix it all. Make it magically easier and better for them. Well I am sorry, bud, it's too late.

So I do see your point.

Why add to our woes letting the COVID situation get worse and worse? It keeps coming back to that for me.

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9 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Is it impossible? Well I dunno, a broken femur makes it hard. Right now, there are no accommodations for miles and miles. How far will you travel with a broken leg? How will you feel? He will have to travel, WHEN they find a hospital and surgeon ready to take him.

That truly sucks. If it were me, and I realize how painful a broken femur can be, I'd go to the er, get x-rays and an initial diagnosis, a leg stabilizer and an RX for pain control. Then, since the hospital has an obligation to stabilize and transfer where proper care can be given under EMTALA, id expect them to at least make an effort to find a service. If not available I'd be on the phone continuously until I found a service. In state, out of state, I'd keep calling to I find someone if my leg was on the line. And I'd travel as far as I had to using the RX from the er. 

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5 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

That truly sucks. If it were me, and I realize how painful a broken femur can be, I'd go to the er, get x-rays and an initial diagnosis, a leg stabilizer and an RX for pain control. Then, since the hospital has an obligation to stabilize and transfer where proper care can be given under EMTALA, id expect them to at least make an effort to find a service. If not available I'd be on the phone continuously until I found a service. In state, out of state, I'd keep calling to I find someone if my leg was on the line. And I'd travel as far as I had to using the RX from the er. 

Thank you. He did all that. But surgery is required to fix it. That's the problem he is facing now.

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11 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

1.You are welcome. I think you are articulate and well-spoken. I like debating with you and others.

2. I do harbor some resent toward people who make horrible decisions, yes. I work with chronically ill people who have a sort of "learned" helplessness about them that makes it infuriating. They want us to fix everything when for years they could have prevented this illness themselves----- and now want US to fix it all. Make it magically easier and better for them. Well I am sorry, bud, it's too late.

So I do see your point.

Why add to our woes letting the COVID situation get worse and worse? It keeps coming back to that for me.

1. The feeling is mutual!

2. I'll even call myself out a little bit.  There's been those chronically ill frequent flyer patients I've been pissed off at for yelling and throwing crap at me because they can't have anymore Dilaudid LOL.  Historically we limited our disdain for them to the break room or the bar ?

COVID is different.  We don't hear and see publicly type 2 diabetics being called selfish and terrorists for example.  

The media is a huge issue here.  The media tells stories and shares information in a fashion designed to get viewers.  Drama gets viewers.  Drama is great for sitcoms and movies.  This disease is one that would have been better served to be reported in an unbiased and balanced fashion.  But more viewers come to see a bunch of people in red yell how they're not taking the vaccine, or a crowd in blue arguing the contrary, or politicians talking crap back n forth on TV and Twitter.  People are basing health choices on entertainment.  

The government messed this up in the beginning.  Now they have to go to the extreme to correct this rather than deal with it in an individualized fashion.  

The unvaccinated COVID patient is not only sick and near death but receiving the blame for being afraid and misinformed.

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Just now, jive turkey said:

1. The feeling is mutual!

2. I'll even call myself out a little bit.  There's been those chronically ill frequent flyer patients I've been pissed off at for yelling and throwing crap at me because they can't have anymore Dilaudid LOL.  Historically we limited our disdain for them to the break room or the bar ?

COVID is different.  We don't hear and see publicly type 2 diabetics being called selfish and terrorists for example.  

The media is a huge issue here.  The media tells stories and shares information designed to get viewers.  Drama gets viewers.  Drama is great for sitcoms and movies.  This disease is one that would have been better served to be reported in an unbiased and balanced fashion.  But more viewers come to see a bunch of people in red yell how they're not taking the vaccine, or a crowd in blue arguing the contrary, or politicians talking crap back n forth on TV and Twitter.  People are basing health choices on entertainment.  

The government messed this up in the beginning.  Now they have to go to the extreme to correct this rather than deal with it in an individualized fashion.  

The unvaccinated COVID patient is not only sick and near death but receiving the blame for being afraid and misinformed.

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, it was all preventable.

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19 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Is it impossible? Well I dunno, a broken femur makes it hard. Right now, there are no accommodations for miles and miles. How far will you travel with a broken leg? How will you feel? He will have to travel, WHEN they find a hospital and surgeon ready to take him.

Especially to go through all that torture for no reason.  Because people don't wanna take the only medication that can slow thus infection down.  Something effective and safe.  Because they are now assimilated into the me first culture.  Me and my brother, me and my mother, me and by buddy.  Besides the bad grammar it reflects the self importance of the speaker.  I'm curious how much this is a generational thing.  I can understand that younger people, up until Delta, haven't had to suffer a lot fo this unless they are caregivers.  And they are more callous of older people because  geting older iwill never happen to them:) It's hard to overcome youthful optimism, even when all the facts are telling you otherwise.   No wisdom yet.  And they are quick to blame the science itself because it isn't all rolled out neatly in easy to understand bullet points so if they don't  dole it out in easy to understand packets, it must somehow be suspect.  Of course that m.  Logic requires diligence which we more experienced types have time for.

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8 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I hear you.  It's frustrating to see the health care system was already challenged with providing quality care for everyone.  The pandemic exacerbated the situation.  On the surface it seems COVID patients are responsible.  

Consider a few things:

1. We don't harbor hostility toward the chronically ill that have burdened the health care system and government funded programs for years.  Just because they can't cough their illness on to someone doesn't mean their choices haven't presented challenges much like the COVID patient

2. Our leadership has delivered a variety of mixed messages since the beginning of this outbreak.  Trust has been an issue.  Not all of the admitted COVID patients set out to antagonize society.  

3. Bearing animosity and expressing it toward the unvaccinated reinforces their hesitancy, leading to their admission.  There are going to be those who won't do it out of pure defiance.  There's many who would have benefited from more education, information, and empathy toward their perspectives.  Instead, medical professionals and society have let their emotional outbursts take control making things worse.

1. The chronically ill are not the people putting a strain on our health system at this moment in time, covid infected people are the strain. 

2. The unvaccinated didn't intend to get sick, get hospitalized or antagonize anyone but sometimes there are unintended consequences to choices that are poorly sourced. 

3. Pandering to the emotions and feelings of people who argue to remain unvaccinated regardless of consequences, on an online nursing forum is not required or necessary.  The belligerent noncompliance that we see today is not a new phenomenon, it's simply amplified and more widespread. Yes, when confronted with unequivocal and persistent encouragement to vaccinate with intolerance for excuses to remain unvaccinated, the unvaccinated may double down and refuse more passionately. That's not surprising at all.  Any and all pushback, no matter how polite will likely have the same outcome. That's also not a new observation or reality of interacting with non compliant individuals.  

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1 minute ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, it was all preventable.

I hear you.  That's what my whole little speech spoke to.  We see on the surface "if you just took the vaccine we wouldn't have this problem"

I wanted to challenge people to look deeper than that.  Most of those people didn't avoid the vaccine just to piss people off and go to the hospital.  

Many of them were afraid, and for many good reasons

Many of them were naive enough to believe that since ~98% of people survive, severe illness can't happen to them.  They needed to talk to their doctor

They see nurses and doctors talking s*** about the unvaccinated.  More trust issues.  Especially when you see people of  the most trusted profession being hateful.  

 

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One more thing bearing repeating: Diabetes, CHF, kidney disease, and other such chronic illness do put a strain on the healthcare system. But if I sit next them on the bus or at dinner, they are not going to give their diseases to me or my loved ones.

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