Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

jive turkey · Aug 28, 2021

3 minutes ago, heron said:

“Killed off” That’s natural selection works.

Respectfully:

I wasn't asking you..... I was asking them

I know what it means to me, which is exactly what you said. Making sure it means the same to them before replying. thanks.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2021

2 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

OK. Let me lay this out. Covid unit. Terrible. Sad. All the pts on this unit have diagnosis. Confirmed. Can they get "worse covid"? No. Sure if unvaccinated nurses get floated from covid units to non covid units, sure that is a concern. But from my knowledge, those on a covid unit stay on the covid unit. No? What difference does it make if the nurse is vaccinated? They can't spread it to the covid pts. So. How bout non covid pts? How bout all NON covid units staffed with vaccinated nurse? That would make sense. And the hospital could retain it's staff without mandates. I have not heard this idea discussed literally anywhere. All I hear is GET VACCINATED! PERIOD!" It's never specific to anything.

Sure.

Maybe all the unvaccinated nurses can work with covid and the vaccinated will work with those hospitalized for other reasons. Do you think there will be enough unvaccinated nurses to carry that off in any region?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/dec/22/lost-on-the-frontline-our-findings-to-date

jive turkey · Aug 28, 2021

51 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

By natural selection, 90% plus covid hospitalized/expired patients since June 15th are unvaccinated. While most of the postings here debate whether covid vaccines are safe have disregarded recent stats that should be very alarming for the unvaccinated.
This delta surge was entirely preventable and to be unvaccinated is incredibly selfish, just because you don’t live in Texas or Alabama doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care, look at the facts running out of oxygen, ventilators and staff. The families that lose parents, children and friends. The mutated strains jump from low vaccinated areas to other low vaccinated areas and other strains already identified.

The accusation of being selfish is something I see and hear often.

What does it mean to you when you say someone is selfish for being unvaccinated?

For what reasons do you think people elected not to take it, being more detailed than calling them selfish?

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 28, 2021

9 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Respectfully:

I wasn't asking you..... I was asking them

I know what it means to me, which is exactly what you said. Making sure it means the same to them before replying. thanks.

You don’t get to dictate who answers which post.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2021

Refusing to participate in recommended pandemic mitigation strategies, like vaccination, for reasons that are centered on individual feelings of fear or concern or anxiety certainly can't be considered altruistic...especially when the expert consensus is that vaccination is the safe and effective means to an end. Those choices are centered on self, not on the greater community need.

macawake, MSN · Aug 28, 2021

3 hours ago, lMCRN said:

The covid vaccine is safe and covid will weed out the unfortunate anti vaxers that were given a chance to not be hospitalized and or lose their life due unfounded fear.

3 hours ago, jive turkey said:

What do you mean "weed them out"

Be specific

I think that IMCRN made their point very clearly. I’ll bold some of the words in his or her post so that you can see for yourself.

3 hours ago, lMCRN said:

The covid vaccine is safe and covid will weed out the unfortunate anti vaxers that were given a chance to not be hospitalized and or lose their life due unfounded fear.

Are you asking what the words ”weed out” mean? It means to separate out, remove or eliminate.

Any one who follows current events know that the unvaccinated are filling up your ICUs at the moment. There are reports of shortages of hospital beds, staff, oxygen etc. Unvaccinated people are dying.

IMCRN’s post was so clear that I have to think that you are asking for clarification in bad faith. I don’t think you are trying to gain insight about IMCRN’s thought processes. I think you want to argue.

Since you are highly prone to dictating how other posters should post, I’ll take this opportunity to reciprocate in kind. Asking for someone to clarify something can be done in a polite manner. Your curt request to ”be specific” sounds like you think you can order posters around.

10GaugeNeedles, BSN · Aug 28, 2021

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Sure.

Maybe all the unvaccinated nurses can work with covid and the vaccinated will work with those hospitalized for other reasons. Do you think there will be enough unvaccinated nurses to carry that off in any region?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/dec/22/lost-on-the-frontline-our-findings-to-date

I have no idea. But you want them all fired so what difference does it make to you?

Guest219794 · Aug 28, 2021

12 hours ago, jive turkey said:

It suggests being a nurse means not having a sense of self, and one must always subjugate themselves to any demand placed upon them without question, hesitancy, or concern.

Poppycock.
We have always had requirements. Meeting public health standards does mean giving up a sense of self, or subjugating oneself. The only thing that has changed is that for some perverse reason, politicians have leveraged mis, and disinformation creating this issue.

Sorry about using the word "poppycock". It just popped into my head, and seemed right.

Charlcie, BSN, RN · Aug 28, 2021

3 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Poppycock.
We have always had requirements. Meeting public health standards does mean giving up a sense of self, or subjugating oneself. The only thing that has changed is that for some perverse reason, politicians have leveraged mis, and disinformation creating this issue.

Sorry about using the word "poppycock". It just popped into my head, and seemed right.

And ironically it seems like most politicians have chosen to vaccinate and are the first to run to the hospital for the sniffles ? not that it matters but im a born and raised republican from the Deep South and even I think this is ridiculous. Yes, it’s my choice to be vaccinated. It’s my choice to be a nurse. If I didn’t agree with being vaccinated (though I do) and it was required for my employment, I would still get the jab. It’s just not a hard choice for me. This is science and about doing what’s best for our fellow citizens so we can resume enjoying the liberties this horrible disease has robbed from us

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 28, 2021

On 8/26/2021 at 8:54 PM, jive turkey said:

1. Here's a quote from English 101

"FACT: Statement of actuality or occurrence. A fact is based on direct evidence, actual experience, or observation.
• OPINION: Statement of belief or feeling. It shows one’s feelings about a subject. Solid opinions, while based on facts, are someone’s views on a subject and not facts themselves."

It doesn't make sense to say the opinion is wrong. If you said you think strawberry is the best flavor ice cream it's not sensible to come and say your opinion is wrong.

2. What data did I provide that was fraudulent or superstitious? Many of you make that accusation but when challenged to quote me on misinformation or fraudulent data, you can't do it. Watch!

3. I never argued about safety. So why bring that up when referencing me?

I'll ask you a direct question. What about my opinion bothers you so bad? Why do you care? Don't say you don't because if you didn't you wouldn't speak of me.

This thread is all all about you, isn't it? Most of us don't care about you. We are pointing out that your opinion that we should be more understanding about nurses' baseless concerns about vaccines safety just don't deserve consideration and you don't get that. Show me a vaccine with delayed long term problems. Did you create such a fuss when you had to take other required vaccines to work? This is an emergency. If you are feeling coerced by your employer, leave. Ideological crap talk isn't going to get us out if this and we have other life-endangering situations (fires, floods, etc.) that need to be dealt with that can't be solved with something as simple as a vaccine. Stop being part of the problem.

thatNURSEKerri · Aug 28, 2021

I am familiar with the various tests, but by no means an expert on them . The reason I ask is because I have run into my own questions about this, mostly because I want to know how the Healthcare professionals pick which test they are going to run because there are an abundance of testing. Options. It goes from identifying if they have been previously infected in the past, And if they are currently infected. I want to know if the correct test was run on me. I'll use me because I personally had this happen and I want to make sense of it all. (1)NEW JOB: out of state.(2l Took Binax NOW on Day 1 Orientation-resulted negative. Early Day 6- Binax NOW testing . My test come back with a very faint line which is +-positive, test repeated shortly after 1st test and received same Result. So we t(4)ook another sample and sent it in to lab. Meanwhile I'm isolated until my employer gets results. (5) Wednesday- RECEIVED covid testing results of NEGATIVE! . (6)Thursday I woke up with zero taste not smell. Took another rapid at work(, and was instantly + . I isolated for 14 days, had minimal symptoms . What I am curious to know is... What did I have and how would we know ? Was it just COVID-19 SARS-2 OR THE DELTA VARIANT OR WHAT WAS IT? I have no further documentation suggesting that they did more testing to see what strain of COVID-19 I had or did I even have it? There are just some questions they are arising as these questions are being asked by other people having similar questions /concerns. And I am not spreading any false information. I have seen, experienced and have talked to many people with factual information that rises concern . There is nothing wrong with asking questions about about a vaccine that time was not FDA approved, and NEVER in the history of US has a "vaccine" ever been given without that approval and to this many people I do not and will not take anything just because I was told it was safe, and it works and I am Personally NOT comfortable receiving it nor will I administer the shot. There are so many Factors involved surrounding this. I don't think you have all the facts either. If you haven't noticed we have been lied to, manipulated and controlled by our own government that are suppose to be "for the people.". Vaccinated are not safe , and having to wear masks and take a Booster shot! How many is it going to require all in all? And the vaccinated are alot of who are getting the sick with the virus and are thinking it's not as bad as it could have been if they hadn't got vaccinated. How would you even know if it would be worse or not? Tell me please. I want to know facts that can lay all of our minds to rest! It's not going to happen it's just not. Because there are some truths and some lies to all of it! People should be able to choose. We are all living to die in this circle of life. Only God knows what is in store. If you are of Faith you wouldnt be throwing his name so loosely about what you think he thinks of me or what I talk about. I speak from experience, statistics just like you, and personal experiences in life . I don't spread words saying that you are wrong or don't understand. Maybe we don't understand certain things but isn't that the reason for these chat question and answers? To help one another understand . And to help each other grow in a profession that needs so much support. I love what I do even after 26 years. I am still very compassionate and am passionate about helping people. Just because you are Pro-Vaccine doesn't mean everyone should be too considering all things. Just imagine if it was the other way around? Anything that you believe in or don't believe in ..,.don't you still want your right to choose? You just happen to be on that side and not this side. We are all equals and deserve equality! I just want to know how many + cases are being sent for further scientific study to determine what each person really has /had,. Because at this point how would they be able to know what I had since I tested Negative. Ugh I'm so over this and just want to wish everyone a safe and Happy Life until we breath no more! Live your Best Life and do what you want be who you want to be, protect your family, make smart choices , wash your hands, don't go out into public if you are sick, be respectful of others choices, don't judge and just LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE! !

cgw5364, ADN · Aug 28, 2021

Since the virus has a treatment and a 99 percent survival rate without any medical treatment AND the so called vaccine is unproven, not really a vaccine, and killing people( see openvaers.com), I would say goodbye and not look back. I know several harmed by the so called vaccine. Many places are going to regret this mandate after good staff leave. Finally, my body my choice.

No, the vaccines are not "killing people". Why do you think the CDC placed a hold on J&J to investigate the pericarditis and cardiomyopathy? It was due to a safety signal which is triggered when a condition occurs in a population greater than what you would normally find. The CDC uses multiple agencies and reporting tools to determine if and what side effects people have after vaccines. After both of my Moderna vaccines I participated in V-safe app on my phone. This is from the CDC about V-Safe: V-safe is a smartphone-based tool that uses text messaging and web surveys to provide personalized health check-ins after you receive a COVID-19 vaccine. Through v-safe, you can quickly tell CDC if you have any side effects after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Depending on your answers to the web surveys, someone from CDC may call to check on you and get more information. V-safe will also remind you to get your second COVID-19 vaccine dose if you need one.