Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Everyone may deserve respect but they aren't necessarily going to get it simply because they demand it after repeating untrue beliefs about these vaccines. 

Apparently there are a few things that you aren't familiar with, researching and vetting vaccine information, according to your post. There will continue to be facilities which won't require vaccination as time goes on.  There will be jobs for unvaccinated health care workers. It sounds like making that choice to change jobs isn't a big deal for you.  That's good.  It's your choice.  

 

That's correct. I'm a travel nurse. In relatively immune to this nonsense. What bothers me is people like yourself apparently bashing nurses that are forced to quit. It's disgusting. I can do what I want. I'm coming back after 7 months cause I'm bored. But some of these nurses RELY ON their jobs for their families and children. Some of these nurses  deserve compassion. And people like you are poisoning the well. It's disgusting. 

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4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You have more options if you are vaccinated.  I hurt for patients who must have close contact with unvaccinated staff. That increased risk while they are already in care is undeserved. 

Why do you think that those promoting widespread vaccination don't think that this situation "sucks". The fact that it "sucks" motivates us to mask, distance, vaccinate and encourage vaccination.  It apparently doesn't suck enough to motivate some nurses to vaccinate or to stop arguing against vaccination. 

They way you describe vaccination is weird. Vaccination is supposed to do a couple things : limit infection, limit exposure, and limit spread. The way you describe it doesn't sound like what I've read. "get fully vaccinated, it SHOULD limit the severe symptoms." That's about it. From what I've read, it doesn't limit spread. Does it? Please let me know.  

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10 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

That's correct. I'm a travel nurse. In relatively immune to this nonsense. What bothers me is people like yourself apparently bashing nurses that are forced to quit. It's disgusting. I can do what I want. I'm coming back after 7 months cause I'm bored. But some of these nurses RELY ON their jobs for their families and children. Some of these nurses  deserve compassion. And people like you are poisoning the well. It's disgusting. 

It's too bad that you are bothered. The vaccines are safe, effective and necessary if we are going to reduce community spread and give our health systems a break.  More and more businesses and health providers are likely to require these vaccines as time passes. Nurses will have to choose if they need the job more than they don't want to vaccinate.  You'll have to explain why that choice requires compassion from any other individual.  They choose for themselves.  

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

Even prior to Covid, vaccines have been well established to be able to end pandemics, primarily through reducing the ability of viruses to spread, it's certainly worthy to consider that Covid might be the exception, but the vast majority of research specific to Covid has reaffirmed this to be true.

In order to spread, viruses need to replicate, to replicate they need a suitable host, and we know that vaccines inhibit a viruses ability to replicate.  We measure this through studying viral loads in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated, and by looking at the rate of community transmission relative to the rate the community is vaccinated.

The NBA did daily PCR tests, which involved having a service that went to each player's house (home team) and getting a swab the morning of each game, that doesn't seem practical for entire hospitals to do for their staff on a day to day basis.

And correct my if I'm wrong, but what you seem to be questioning is whether there is enough solid evidence in yet of the benefit to others of getting vaccinated.  Since we're only now getting into the worst part of the current Delta wave, we're not going to know until it's too late how much death and harm we could have avoided had more of us been vaccinated.  But there's clearly enough data so far to say that to give us the best chance of avoiding a catastrophic outcome with this wave, we all need to get vaccinated.

In 10 years in the ICU I've had to put only two patients younger than me into body bags.  I have had to put 2 patients in their early 40's into bags in the last 3 days, one of which I at least managed to facetime with his daughters before he got intubated, one was 8, I have a 9 year old, that was brutal but not as brutal as when he died.

The other day I had a married couple, in their 40's, with 3 young children, 2 of which are younger than 10.  We put them in a double room so they could be together, the wife then got intubated.  She was doing OK on the vent, not paralyzed, under mild sedation.  The husband then coded, got tubed, all while the wife looked on.  We've since been having to figure out who is going to take the kids at some point since neither will likely survive, and if they do will like go to a vent farm.

So my question is, what's the threshold?  Is this not yet a bad enough situation to justify the push for everyone to get vaccinated?   

I wonder, did those pts get infected from nurses or community? Cause you seen to be implying your unfortunate pts got infected from nursing staff.

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's too bad that you are bothered. The vaccines are safe, effective and necessary if we are going to reduce community spread and give our health systems a break.  More and more businesses and health providers are likely to require these vaccines as time passes. Nurses will have to choose if they need the job more than they don't want to vaccinate.  You'll have to explain why that choice requires compassion from any other individual.  They choose for themselves.  

I'll be interested to see the staffing numbers from new York in a couple months. 

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5 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I wonder, did those pts get infected from nurses or community? Cause you seen to be implying your unfortunate pts got infected from nursing staff.

How do you figure patients admitted with Covid got their infections from staff after admission?

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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I wonder, did those pts get infected from nurses or community? Cause you seen to be implying your unfortunate pts got infected from nursing staff.

Yikes. Nothing in his comment implied that.  The unvaccinated nurse could be that critically ill covid patient though. 

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16 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

They way you describe vaccination is weird. Vaccination is supposed to do a couple things : limit infection, limit exposure, and limit spread. The way you describe it doesn't sound like what I've read. "get fully vaccinated, it SHOULD limit the severe symptoms." That's about it. From what I've read, it doesn't limit spread. Does it? Please let me know.  

Vaccines - NIH

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Vaccines stimulate the immune system to produce immune responses that protect against infection. Vaccines provide a safe, cost-effective and efficient means of preventing illness, disability and death from infectious diseases.

 

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1 minute ago, MunoRN said:

How do you figure patients admitted with Covid got their infections from staff after admission?

Exactly! you seem to be suggesting that nurses that don't want to be vaccinated should be. Why? Because pts.? I don't follow. Especially if the nurses are using paprs or n95s. what gives here? What do the nurses have to do with it?

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22 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

The study did not find that given being vaccinated resulted in higher viral loads that being unvaccinated.

Sorry, my mistake.  The point is that the vaccine in and of itself is not effective.  This was in fully vaccinated healthcare workers - breakthrough cases. 251 times the viral load as the old strain.  So vaccinated healthcare workers are likely spreading COVID just as much as unvaccinated.  According to the FDA, https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download a vaccine needs to have a 50% efficacy to be approved.  This preprint article puts Pfizer now at 42%https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf

For those of you who state the vaccines are safe, take a hard look at the data and compare what there is with other drug trials for drugs that have been brought to market.  Do you see those long term placebo controlled trials for safety?  

And sure VAERS is user reported, but don't you find these numbers compelling?   And aren't we taught to listen to our patients?1822085432_ScreenShot2021-08-27at10_49_57PM.thumb.png.3726e292239511947c733f4f206617bc.png267941088_ScreenShot2021-08-27at10_50_10PM.thumb.png.da39d8db91f9909df0a87e3e0d0e70b1.png1323944683_ScreenShot2021-08-27at10_50_34PM.thumb.png.925ea5d7c60643af716e878c4331c42d.png

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/A4A76F9A-9B29-4CF9-B987-F9097A3F4CB7

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28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Vaccines - NIH

 

You can not be serious. I mean, I've seen blind before but this is incredible. I could make a career out of you. LOL..

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32 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Vaccines - NIH

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Vaccines stimulate the immune system to produce immune responses that protect against infection. Vaccines provide a safe, cost-effective and efficient means of preventing illness, disability and death from infectious diseases.

How much have you studied the COVID vaccines?   Show me in the peer-reviewed literature where it states that the COVID vaccines "stimulate the immune system to produce immune responses that protect against infection."

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