Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
8 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

1. The feeling is mutual!

2. I'll even call myself out a little bit.  There's been those chronically ill frequent flyer patients I've been pissed off at for yelling and throwing crap at me because they can't have anymore Dilaudid LOL.  Historically we limited our disdain for them to the break room or the bar ?

COVID is different.  We don't hear and see publicly type 2 diabetics being called selfish and terrorists for example.  

The media is a huge issue here.  The media tells stories and shares information in a fashion designed to get viewers.  Drama gets viewers.  Drama is great for sitcoms and movies.  This disease is one that would have been better served to be reported in an unbiased and balanced fashion.  But more viewers come to see a bunch of people in red yell how they're not taking the vaccine, or a crowd in blue arguing the contrary, or politicians talking crap back n forth on TV and Twitter.  People are basing health choices on entertainment.  

The government messed this up in the beginning.  Now they have to go to the extreme to correct this rather than deal with it in an individualized fashion.  

The unvaccinated COVID patient is not only sick and near death but receiving the blame for being afraid and misinformed.

I don't blame the patients.  I blame Trump and all the governors who are so far up his colon that they thought only of political gain rather than the well being of their naive supporters.

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5 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

They see nurses and doctors talking s*** about the unvaccinated.  More trust issues.  Especially when you see people of  the most trusted profession being hateful.  

 

Those nurses and doctors are demoralized and used up. They have had it.

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8 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

The chronically ill are not able to get beds either. This is preventable! Things did not have to get this bad.

I can't change the chronically ill's situations, but I can vaccinate to prevent death and disability for myself. And I did.

I do harbor some resent toward people who make horrible decisions, yes. I work with chronically ill people who have a sort of "learned" helplessness about them that makes it infuriating. They want us to fix everything when for years they could have prevented this illness themselves----- and now want US to fix it all. Make it magically easier and better for them. Well I am sorry, bud, it's too late.

So I do see your point.

Why add to our woes letting the COVID situation get worse and worse? It keeps coming back to that for me.

I can see where the resentment congress from. The number of dialysis pts I see back in hospital over and over again because of dumb lifestyle choices...I got stories. LOL. But I've never seen it as my place to judge. If I had a chronic illness, it's rough. Would I have the ability to be totally compliant every day after day for years and years and years? I don't know. Even something simple like DM2. It's not really THAT hard to control blood sugar now days. But imagine it was you having to build your life around a disease. It sucks. Some people just don't do well with a chronic disease.

I remember a breast cancer pt that decided not to get chemo. The mass had grown through the skin. It looked and smelled horrible. But she had given up. She died of course. I don't blame her. Our job is to give the care the best we can. That's it. It's not our job to make them appreciate it. The best thing to do is empathize with people. This pandemic is simply not in our control.

Yes we have a vaccine. How effective is it really? We don't know yet. The data is still coming in. We may be certain vaccine = fix. But it clearly isn't a magic bullet since it mutates. Imagine before the vaccine was available. Who did we blame then? Anti maskers? Masks don't stop the spread of anything other than some filtration directly in front of the membrane. They aren't sealed in the sides. They aren't protective for the wearer. Masks aren't a magic fix. Neither is the vaccine. Both masks and vaccine have some benefit. But people cling to the idea that they are absolutely necessary and totally protective. They aren't. There's A TON of grey area here. This is life. It's not in our control and we need to accept that. We just do the best we can at the individual level. That's The best we can do.

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23 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You're not listening. I said we can't let it CONTINUE. Mandating is not optional. Mandating is forced compliance. An example of what could happen to us is Australia right now. They are being confined to within one kilometer of their homes. Massive fines. The totalitarian depends on where you live. New York is barring people from normal life without "papers". California and new York are mandating the vaccines or be fired. They fined people for being out after dark in some areas with curfews. These are signs of what is to come if we don't resist it. If we don't resist it they will continue toward totalitarianism. They will take what we let them take. They always do. You may think the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective. That's fine. And it may be. But we've only been in this thing a year. We don't know what the long term effects are. We know a large majority of people are asymptomatic. We know it's not as deadly as initially projected. We know that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet since this virus mutates. There's allot we know that we DON'T know. You can keep repeating"safe and effective"over and over again. That's your choice to ignore everything else. Some of us are aware of more than your two favorite words. I don't want to sound argumentative here but it's frustrating that you seem to be completely (and voluntarily) unaware of anything beyond the phrase "safe and effective". 

Well, we're not mandating anything in my state. No "totalitarianism" to be found. Come on down, and have your freedom.

PS-We are also one of the top states in terms of COVID infections and hospitalizations. We have poor vaccine compliance. Gee, I wonder if no mitigation actions and poor vaccine compliance are related to our piss poor COVID statistics??? 

When you come, make sure you don't get in an accident, get appendicitis, gallstones, cancer, heart attack or anything requiring hospitalization because we may not have a bed for you, much less an ICU bed.

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1 minute ago, Horseshoe said:

Well, we're not mandating anything in my state. No "totalitarianism" to be found. Come on down, and have your freedom.

PS-We are also one of the top states in terms of COVID infections and hospitalizations. We have poor vaccine compliance. Gee, I wonder if no mitigation actions and poor vaccine compliance are related to our piss poor COVID statistics??? 

When you come, make sure you don't get in an accident, get appendicitis, gallstones, cancer, heart attack or anything requiring hospitalization because me may not have a bed for you, much less an ICU bed.

That's exactly what I did. In Florida right now for an assignment. LOL. 

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Mandating is not forcing. It's asking people to make a choice. No one is holding anyone's arm to a fire threatening with a needle. Choices have consequences.

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Just now, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I can see where the resentment congress from. The number of dialysis pts I see back in hospital over and over again because of dumb lifestyle choices...I got stories. LOL. But I've never seen it as my place to judge. If I had a chronic illness, it's rough. Would I have the ability to be totally compliant every day after day for years and years and years? I don't know. Even something simple like DM2. It's not really THAT hard to control blood sugar now days. But imagine it was you having to build your life around a disease. It sucks. Some people just don't do well with a chronic disease.

I remember a breast cancer pt that decided not to get chemo. The mass had grown through the skin. It looked and smelled horrible. But she had given up. She died of course. I don't blame her. Our job is to give the care the best we can. That's it. It's not our job to make them appreciate it. The best thing to do is empathize with people. This pandemic is simply not in our control.

Yes we have a vaccine. How effective is it really? We don't know yet. The data is still coming in. We may be certain vaccine = fix. But it clearly isn't a magic bullet since it mutates. Imagine before the vaccine was available. Who did we blame then? Anti maskers? Masks don't stop the spread of anything other than some filtration directly in front of the membrane. They aren't sealed in the sides. They aren't protective for the wearer. Masks aren't a magic fix. Neither is the vaccine. Both masks and vaccine have some benefit. But people cling to the idea that they are absolutely necessary and totally protective. They aren't. There's A TON of grey area here. This is life. It's not in our control and we need to accept that. We just do the best we can at the individual level. That's The best we can do.

Of course thus pandemic is under our control, as least most if it is.  Getting vaccine I the best tool we have.  Why are so many red states failing so miserable.  Because they are the most unvaccinated.  They had the better governors.

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6 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

When you come, make sure you don't get in an accident, get appendicitis, gallstones, cancer, heart attack or anything requiring hospitalization because me may not have a bed for you, much less an ICU bed.

That is what one of my most major concerns is.

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6 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

That is what one of my most major concerns is.

Yep. Lack of ability to care for the urgent or anticipated needs of everyday people because we have to accommodate the choice by so many to establish immunity through infection in spite of encouragement to vaccinate. 

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10 minutes ago, subee said:

Of course thus pandemic is under our control, as least most if it is.  Getting vaccine I the best tool we have.  Why are so many red states failing so miserable.  Because they are the most unvaccinated.  They had the better governors.

According to this site, florida and new York are pretty similar for vaccination rates. Fl:62 and 51%, vs NY: 66 and 59% (respective to partial and fully vaccinated). That's pretty comparable. To put all the blame on vaccination status given the spike in Florida (no mandate) vs new York (mandate) seems incorrect at this time. Maybe the situation is more complicated than just one factor like vaccination. 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

According to this site, florida and new York are pretty similar for vaccination rates. Fl:62 and 51%, vs NY: 66 and 59% (respective to partial and fully vaccinated). That's pretty comparable. To put all the blame on vaccination status given the spike in Florida (no mandate) vs new York (mandate) seems incorrect at this time. Maybe the situation is more complicated than just one factor like vaccination. 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

People in Florida are more resistant to other mitigation measures. Since no one mitigation is 100%, it will take a combination of interventions to get this pandemic under control. And too many people just don't give a flip about the greater good. They exercise their choice to remain unvaccinated but do nothing else to reduce odds of infection or transmission. 

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16 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Mandating is not forcing. It's asking people to make a choice. No one is holding anyone's arm to a fire threatening with a needle. Choices have consequences.

Yes. And the guy being told to choose between a bullet and compliance is also given a choice. How bout a choice between imprisonment and staying in your house for weeks on end? That's also a choice. The question is, is it a reasonable choice. There is disagreement. I don't agree it's reasonable, you do. That will be determined in court and the legislature. Luckily in this republic there are states to go where the population has different rules. It becomes a problem when there's no where to go. 

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