Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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18 hours ago, Cclm said:
The fact that you omit any comments about "chaz" tells me that you do not want to discuss that attack on democracy. An occuping force within a US city...... but but... Jan. 6 reeeeeek well try to imagine what would happen if anyone but democrats in a non Democrat state would do if a bunch of gun slinging Texas citizens decided to construct a zone in which they control and run with guns. Not letting a specific type of person in or segregating them. You tell me. All the no power POC in the US government wouldn't do anything? Ha! Ya right.
Again. No matter the significance that your media has assigned to "chaz" what happened on January 6 was different from BLM protests both in intention and purpose. Please tell me which day the BLM protests resulted in members of Congress getting rushed to safety and their functions halted. BLM didn't even stop the function of a state government much less stop Congress's work...that was the Trump mob that did that.
What was the intent for January 6? What was the purpose of the mob at the Capitol that day.
The House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol announced Thursday that it subpoenaed James P. "Phil" Waldron, a retired Army colonel who spread misinformation about election fraud and circulated a PowerPoint document detailing ways to undermine the 2020 presidential election outcome. The 38-page document, which is among thousands of pages of materials former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows provided to the committee, was circulated by Waldron to Trump allies and lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Waldron told The New York Times that he did not directly send the document to Meadows, but that it was possible someone on his team had passed it along to the former chief of staff.
Waldron admitted he met with the White House chief of staff and visited the White House several times.
No, I don't have a low opinion of POC...that's just you throwing your flawed interpretation of my words around for effect.
You go right ahead and show me examples of POC forcing their racist beliefs onto white people in this country through legislation...maybe laws which limit where those white people can live, work or go to school...or maybe laws about drinking from a water fountain or sitting in a diner or which seats you can use on the bus.
I'll wait.
No. You do. Bigotry of low expectation. Your media has castigated POC as poor victims of the white man. The only thing more dangerous than an over racist is a racist that thinks they are not while thinking they are standing up against racism.
Please tell me one law that that discriminates against POC currently in legislation that hasn't happened in the last 20 years. Go ahead, I'll wait.
No one said there wasn’t ever systemic racism. However the idea that POC hold no power is insulting and a compete lie. Obama didn't have any power? Because the color of his skin? What? Now that sounds straight put of the 60's just like the water fountain and bus ancient history you stated above.
Perhaps Asian Americans and white Americans being systemically denied university admission because of their ethnicity is a little discriminating don't you think? There s zero need for affirmative action. I'm a POC and refuse to write my race on any enterance or employment applications.
There are POC police chiefs, senators, Dr's, governors the list goes on. I would believe they do not participate in the discrimination of anyone because they are good people, it's illegal, not because of their skin color. They write and enforce laws. They have power. Period. My media you say I subscribe to would devalue POC, not say they are capable, brilliant and resourceful. The skin color is irrelevant. Even if the "POC can't be racist because of power or something" was true, do you think that it might be a problem if they were prejudice? Especially in positions of power?(apparentlybthey don't have) Somehow a word flip makes it some how okay? Word sematics. Propaganda tactic in its easiest form. I think you know that.
P.S Racial discrimination is illegal, systemically illegal for like decades.
I'm not wanting to go off topic. Hold Jan.6 people accountable but hold other people accountable as well. I would take no issue with that and I donot think many Republicans would. Get back to basics, punish people for the crimes they committed not by their beliefs or skin color.
Again. No matter the significance that your media has assigned to "chaz" what happened on January 6 was different from BLM protests both in intention and purpose. Please tell me which day the BLM protests resulted in members of Congress getting rushed to safety and their functions halted. BLM didn't even stop the function of a state government much less stop Congress's work...that was the Trump mob that did that.
What was the intent for January 6? What was the purpose of the mob at the Capitol that day.
Yes the difference is, "chaz" was allowed to happen for days and days and the Democratic government did nothing. Actually applauded it. A occupation within a democratic country's borders. Established borders and "law enforcment" will barricades and "border patrol". A actual coup. Jan.6 lasted a few hours. Not saying it was okay but there is a stark difference.
Tell me any republican applauding Jan.6.Calling it a "coup of love" or something like that. Looked like a disorganized mess to me. Did they succeed in their "take over"? No! Did "chaz"? Yes for a time.
BLM the idea is a noble one I support. It does seem there is a large group of people who do not realize that. Chicago comes to mind. BLM the organization, is nothing but a well manipulated function of democrats to obtain power by the tragedies off the past historic racist atrocities. Discusting in my opinion.
Please do not come back insulting my media etc etc. You have no idea what I consume. No way to prove it and no way for me to prove it either. Ha! More propaganda tactics.....
Perhaps the police were ill prepared as you stated and their priority was de esculating the riot on Jan. 6 and couldn't arrest people at that exact time?
You cannot compare police response for things that happened on very different places and many topics being protested.
However you may want to compare charges and prison sentencing between the 2 types of protester. But probably not. Doesn't fit white right? ....
Ashli Babbitt was shot after breaching the final door prior to where the Vice President had been secured, where he was understandably being aggressively protected since the mob coming after him (which included Babbitt) had made it clear by that point that their goal was to force Pence to certify Trump as the winner of the election through threat of, or actual, violence.
And I think you've misstated the coroner's cause of death of Brian Sicknick, while the coroner found he didn't die of blunt force trauma, he stated that the events of January 6th contributed to his death.
Whether Trump expected that his rhetoric would cause what happened at the Capital on January 6th isn't really up for debate, he's openly admitted to it.
You don't have problem criticizing those that downplay the crimes and harm caused by the BLM riots and I completely agree with you, but if your point is that those people are hypocrites for condemning the Jan 6th riots but not the BLM riots, then how are you any different when you're doing the same thing, just in reverse?
Ashli Babbitt was shot after breaching the final door prior to where the Vice President had been secured, where he was understandably being aggressively protected since the mob coming after him (which included Babbitt) had made it clear by that point that their goal was to force Pence to certify Trump as the winner of the election through threat of, or actual, violence.
And I think you've misstated the coroner's cause of death of Brian Sicknick, while the coroner found he didn't die of blunt force trauma, he stated that the events of January 6th contributed to his death.
Whether Trump expected that his rhetoric would cause what happened at the Capital on January 6th isn't really up for debate, he's openly admitted to it.
You don't have problem criticizing those that downplay the crimes and harm caused by the BLM riots and I completely agree with you, but if your point is that those people are hypocrites for condemning the Jan 6th riots but not the BLM riots, then how are you any different when you're doing the same thing, just in reverse?
Thank you for posting a respectful reply in which you do not try to devalue my comment by associating it with the type of media I may be consuming.
I condemn all types of violence for any reason. The trick is when people defend a certain side,or point out things the other side does or does not, they are automatically seen as thinking what happened was okay.
I would have no opinion on Jan.6 to the effect of the differences between that day and all the days of unrest and violence if it wasn't the silence and approval of the Summer riots by the left. If they the the book at all the rioters in both situations then good. However they do not. Can you not see at least a slight difference in boas at all? Honestly? How things are reported?
People will believe their own eyes. Jan.6 was a bunch of unorganized conspiracy theorist that somehow managed to breech the capital. They were no where near smart enough nor organized to overthrow the US government.
However it was the worst thing in history and worse than 9/11? Tell me you never heard that?
Just hold people accountable equally. Report situations as they are and leave out all the BS pissing contests. There is a problem with our media today that does not report the facts without an agenda. On both sides. Equally.
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9 hours ago, Cclm said:
Thank you for posting a respectful reply in which you do not try to devalue my comment by associating it with the type of media I may be consuming.
I condemn all types of violence for any reason. The trick is when people defend a certain side,or point out things the other side does or does not, they are automatically seen as thinking what happened was okay.
I would have no opinion on Jan.6 to the effect of the differences between that day and all the days of unrest and violence if it wasn't the silence and approval of the Summer riots by the left. If they the the book at all the rioters in both situations then good. However they do not. Can you not see at least a slight difference in boas at all? Honestly? How things are reported?
People will believe their own eyes. Jan.6 was a bunch of unorganized conspiracy theorist that somehow managed to breech the capital. They were no where near smart enough nor organized to overthrow the US government.
However it was the worst thing in history and worse than 9/11? Tell me you never heard that?
Just hold people accountable equally. Report situations as they are and leave out all the BS pissing contests. There is a problem with our media today that does not report the facts without an agenda. On both sides. Equally.
I don't agree with your àssessment of what happened on January 6. That's because I watched it unfold in real time...I was watching a live stream of congressional activities when the building was breached...and I consume media which understands that a mob intending to stop the work of Congress is a mob more dangerous to our republic than is a mob wanting police accountability.
Yes, you are correct that we should all consume media which is at the top of the bell curve of media bias and accuracy. That's where my media preferences are represented.
Can you tell me the instances or events in American history that involve a breach of the security of Congress and the display of other flags in that building? How many times had that happened? Do you think that we should be more concerned if the Nation of Islam had broken into the Capitol building and halted the work of government that day and carried their flag around?
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16 hours ago, Cclm said:
No. You do. Bigotry of low expectation. Your media has castigated POC as poor victims of the white man. The only thing more dangerous than an over racist is a racist that thinks they are not while thinking they are standing up against racism.
Please tell me one law that that discriminates against POC currently in legislation that hasn't happened in the last 20 years. Go ahead, I'll wait.
No one said there wasn’t ever systemic racism. However the idea that POC hold no power is insulting and a compete lie. Obama didn't have any power? Because the color of his skin? What? Now that sounds straight put of the 60's just like the water fountain and bus ancient history you stated above.
Perhaps Asian Americans and white Americans being systemically denied university admission because of their ethnicity is a little discriminating don't you think? There s zero need for affirmative action. I'm a POC and refuse to write my race on any enterance or employment applications.
There are POC police chiefs, senators, Dr's, governors the list goes on. I would believe they do not participate in the discrimination of anyone because they are good people, it's illegal, not because of their skin color. They write and enforce laws. They have power. Period. My media you say I subscribe to would devalue POC, not say they are capable, brilliant and resourceful. The skin color is irrelevant. Even if the "POC can't be racist because of power or something" was true, do you think that it might be a problem if they were prejudice? Especially in positions of power?(apparentlybthey don't have) Somehow a word flip makes it some how okay? Word sematics. Propaganda tactic in its easiest form. I think you know that.
P.S Racial discrimination is illegal, systemically illegal for like decades.
I'm not wanting to go off topic. Hold Jan.6 people accountable but hold other people accountable as well. I would take no issue with that and I donot think many Republicans would. Get back to basics, punish people for the crimes they committed not by their beliefs or skin color.
Your opinion about racism is as deeply flawed as your opinion of the events of January 6.
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15 hours ago, Cclm said:
Yes the difference is, "chaz" was allowed to happen for days and days and the Democratic government did nothing. Actually applauded it. A occupation within a democratic country's borders. Established borders and "law enforcment" will barricades and "border patrol". A actual coup. Jan.6 lasted a few hours. Not saying it was okay but there is a stark difference.
Tell me any republican applauding Jan.6.Calling it a "coup of love" or something like that. Looked like a disorganized mess to me. Did they succeed in their "take over"? No! Did "chaz"? Yes for a time.
BLM the idea is a noble one I support. It does seem there is a large group of people who do not realize that. Chicago comes to mind. BLM the organization, is nothing but a well manipulated function of democrats to obtain power by the tragedies off the past historic racist atrocities. Discusting in my opinion.
Please do not come back insulting my media etc etc. You have no idea what I consume. No way to prove it and no way for me to prove it either. Ha! More propaganda tactics.....
In your opinion they did nothing...that's the right wing narrative.
So you don't know about the republicans like MO Brooks or Jim Jordan or Marjorie Taylor Greene who've blown smoke about what happened? Or maybe this guy who thought that the images of the riot looked like an orderly tour. His name is Andrew Clyde and he's also from Georgia, like MTG.
There are other congressional cheerleaders like, Cruz or Hawley, are you familiar with their response or remarks about January 6? The Senate is slowly considering ethics breaches for them because of their roles in perpetuating the lies about election integrity that Trump spread to motivate that mob.
Your characterization of BLM is a product of extreme right wing rhetoric. Since you don't live in the USA your opinion of BLM protests and intentions is second and third hand...you only know what the media you consume tells you and reinforces in regular content. You've been led to believe that January 6 was no big deal.
We know what media people consume when they share links. We know the quality of the media content that others consume by considering what they know and share about a topic or by the accuracy of their opinion on a subject. You characterize my discussion of media accuracy and bias as me "insulting" your media. That's an odd choice of words. I cannot imagine why you would be insulted by discovering that there is a tool available which examines and compares media outlets in areas of accuracy and political bias. It's a good tool.
Thank you for posting a respectful reply in which you do not try to devalue my comment by associating it with the type of media I may be consuming.
I condemn all types of violence for any reason. The trick is when people defend a certain side,or point out things the other side does or does not, they are automatically seen as thinking what happened was okay.
I would have no opinion on Jan.6 to the effect of the differences between that day and all the days of unrest and violence if it wasn't the silence and approval of the Summer riots by the left. If they the the book at all the rioters in both situations then good. However they do not. Can you not see at least a slight difference in boas at all? Honestly? How things are reported?
People will believe their own eyes. Jan.6 was a bunch of unorganized conspiracy theorist that somehow managed to breech the capital. They were no where near smart enough nor organized to overthrow the US government.
However it was the worst thing in history and worse than 9/11? Tell me you never heard that?
Just hold people accountable equally. Report situations as they are and leave out all the BS pissing contests. There is a problem with our media today that does not report the facts without an agenda. On both sides. Equally.
The murder of George Floyd was seen as an injustice and symbol of the pending rage against what appears to be systematic police brutality.
The protests of "Stop the Steal" was based on a lie. I don't see how you can compare the two responses and expect equality in how it's perceived and reported.
I also don't see how you're condemning the violence of BLM and accepting BLM as a cause but not allowing others the same. Violence associated with BLM is widely condemned.
I think the idea that 1/6 is worse than 9/11 is a spin of what people are saying, but I'll let you be outraged about that if you choose. Based on anecdotal I don't think people are widely saying that 1/6 is worse than 9/11.
What I do find appalling about January 6th compared to 9/11 was that the mob were Americans angry at a lie from a leader that lying. Obviously the destruction and aftermath was worse on 9/11. Obviously the mob of American terrorists were only a small part of the overall protestors of the day.
I do get weary of always having to go back to BLM and how it was reported and how it was perceived and how we're supposed to feel and treat 1/6 the same. I get weary of condemning the violence of 1/6 and being shot back "well what about the violence of BLM, were you outraged then? The liberal press...blah blah blah.". Well yes, for the record, I was appalled at the violence of BLM. Now can we go back to talking about 1/6 now or do I need to get more outraged about BLM first.
Your opinion about racism is as deeply flawed as your opinion of the events of January 6.
So saying racism is illegal, that it might be problematic if a POC in a position of power, senator, mayor a police officer is prejudice or racist may be problematic, that people should be treated by their character not their skin color is flawed? Well slap me silly!!
My opinion on Jan.6 is flawed? Well I think the same about you. Except there is evidence of your complete bias and hatred for everything republican and especially Trump. So your opinion on Jan.6 is bias at best. Am I bias? Yes all humans are bias to what they believe but there is an ability to see a bigger picture or have their minds change. When it comes to the republican party and Trump, you lack this ability. It's not often but if you posy something I agree with I will and have liked your comment. Now if I were to post something that you agree with, or any cincervative on here, would like the comment based on it content or nah, can't give a like to someone different than you.
I notice that you did not give me an example of a systemic racist picture, law etc against POC within the past 20 years. It's okay, this is a Jan 6 forum. Let's not go off topic.
Everyone can be racist. It's unfortunately a human condition. Quite ironically it's a condition in which we all share ....equally.
The murder of George Floyd was seen as an injustice and symbol of the pending rage against what appears to be systematic police brutality.
The protests of "Stop the Steal" was based on a lie. I don't see how you can compare the two responses and expect equality in how it's perceived and reported.
I also don't see how you're condemning the violence of BLM and accepting BLM as a cause but not allowing others the same. Violence associated with BLM is widely condemned.
I think the idea that 1/6 is worse than 9/11 is a spin of what people are saying, but I'll let you be outraged about that if you choose. Based on anecdotal I don't think people are widely saying that 1/6 is worse than 9/11.
What I do find appalling about January 6th compared to 9/11 was that the mob were Americans angry at a lie from a leader that lying. Obviously the destruction and aftermath was worse on 9/11. Obviously the mob of American terrorists were only a small part of the overall protestors of the day.
I do get weary of always having to go back to BLM and how it was reported and how it was perceived and how we're supposed to feel and treat 1/6 the same. I get weary of condemning the violence of 1/6 and being shot back "well what about the violence of BLM, were you outraged then? The liberal press...blah blah blah.". Well yes, for the record, I was appalled at the violence of BLM. Now can we go back to talking about 1/6 now or do I need to get more outraged about BLM first.
I have nothing really to disagree with here. I appreciate your admission that BLM riots outraged you. Probably the only person not of the republican persuasion that has the integrity to do so. Not to mention the courage. Thank you.
Your respectful abeit assertive post has furthered my believe that we have fallen in a trap of who did what and away from coming together to solve an issue. It's more of winning an argument which is sad.
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Again. No matter the significance that your media has assigned to "chaz" what happened on January 6 was different from BLM protests both in intention and purpose. Please tell me which day the BLM protests resulted in members of Congress getting rushed to safety and their functions halted. BLM didn't even stop the function of a state government much less stop Congress's work...that was the Trump mob that did that.
What was the intent for January 6? What was the purpose of the mob at the Capitol that day.