Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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1 hour ago, chare said:
While they didn't include "evil" and "nazi," the New York Times reported that Officer Sicknick died as a result of injuries sustained; apparently based on information released by the U. S. Capital Police.
ETA: While neither "evil" nor "nazi" where included in any of the articles I've seen, we should remember that these terms have been used by some on the left, including this site, to describe Mr. Trump's supporters.
My point is this, the average media didn't misrepresent the circumstances of Sicknick's death and they didn't use words like evil or nazi to do it.
Yes, when behavior and attitudes are reminiscent of 20th century fascists, that might get mentioned by members. I still think that Session's zero tolerance policy that considered permanent family separation a useful deterrent falls on the evil side if the morality scale.
My point is this, the average media didn't misrepresent the circumstances of Sicknick's death and they didn't use words like evil or nazi to do it.
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Really? You don't consider early media reports, by main stream sources, that Officer Sicknick died as a result of a physical attack a misrepresentation of the circumstances of his death? And, as I said in my previous post I didn't find either "evil " or "nazi" in any of the sources I reviewed today. However, considering that both of those terms have been used to describe Mr. Trump's supporters by some, I think it possible that some have.
13 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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... I still think that Session's zero tolerance policy that considered permanent family separation a useful deterrent falls on the evil side if the morality scale.
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4 minutes ago, chare said:
Really? You don't consider early media reports, by main stream sources, that Officer Sicknick died as a result of a physical attack a misrepresentation of the circumstances of his death? And, as I said in my previous post I didn't find either "evil " or "nazi" in any of the sources I reviewed today. However, considering that both of those terms have been used to describe Mr. Trump's supporters by some, I think it possible that some have.
And this has what to do with the events of 01/06?
I think that the media reported what happened and related the two things...the intense struggle and the following death. I don't see that as an intentional misrepresentation of the facts as much as I see it as developing a clearer understanding after the post mortem is made public.
Yes, I agree, one could find examples of extremist rhetoric that used that language in mass media. Yes, I agree that we talk about fascists and nazis sometimes in these threads. Cclm mentions nazis frequently. My reference to Session's policy was an example of what I might label as evil. The term evil supposedly was used by liberals to describe the people who fought with the now dead officer on January 6...so it was a contrast of context for the word in a political discussion, I suppose.
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39 minutes ago, Cclm said:
Yes. I'm glad there is an inquiry into it. No. I think a bunch of dumb people got all worked up and did a horrible thing. Do I think It was some super covert mission to overthrow the US government?Or Trump's evil plan? Bahahaha. NO.
What do you think is Trump's agenda and purpose for continuing to insist that the election results are fraudulent and that Biden stole the election? Why did Trump and Meadows contact Georgia pressuring them to "find" moire votes for Trump?
Even if I did misunderstand the cause of death of Officer Sicknick (I did not) the way it was reported was that he was beaten by far right evil Trump supporting nazis. More left media lies. Don't even pretend to be truthful. Get it out there, even if not true and the chances a whole lot of people will believe if to be true because they do not really make an effort to retract their mistakes do they? Mission accomplished.
5 minutes ago, chare said:
Really? You don't consider early media reports, by main stream sources, that Officer Sicknick died as a result of a physical attack a misrepresentation of the circumstances of his death? And, as I said in my previous post I didn't find either "evil " or "nazi" in any of the sources I reviewed today. However, considering that both of those terms have been used to describe Mr. Trump's supporters by some, I think it possible that some have.
And this has what to do with the events of 01/06?
Leaving aside that exactly what role the riot played in his death seems to be what defines whether these were bad people or not (regardless of how he died officers were still punched, kicked, stomped, beaten with a flagstick, had fire extinguishers thrown at their heads), it's neither correct that they murdered him or that they had nothing to do with his death.
He wasn't killed due to blunt force trauma, but he did die as a result of the riot according to the Medical Examiner.
Many Forensic Pathologists have pointed out the the Medical Examiner used the wrong terminology since he did state that "all that transpired played a role in his condition", which by definition means it was death due to natural causes.
"His condition" that the M.E. was referring to was acute basilar artery thrombosis, which is typically caused by period of critically elevated hypertension, particularly in combination with factors that contribute to thrombosis. Sicknick was sprayed in the face with what was reportedly bear spray. They main health risks of capsaicin spray is that they cause an acute hypertension as well as an inflammatory response that can make the blood more prone to clotting (forming a thrombus). The fact that he suffered this condition within a few hours of getting pepper sprayed in the face makes it extremely unlikely these two were unrelated, which is probably why the medical examiner said they were related.
Yes. I'm glad there is an inquiry into it. No. I think a bunch of dumb people got all worked up and did a horrible thing. Do I think It was some super covert mission to overthrow the US government?Or Trump's evil plan? Bahahaha. NO.
I would agree at least in that it wasn't "super covert". Trump was openly saying that Congress and in particular Pence should certify the election for him instead of Biden, there wasn't anything covert about that.
I'm not sure how it is you think countries go from democracies to fascist rulers, but this is often how it happens.
A democratically elected leader who's been voted out convinces his followers to ignore who was democratically elected and to keep them in power instead.
A democratically elected leader who's been voted out convinces his followers to ignore who was democratically elected and to keep them in power instead.
Perhaps I'm misreading your post; are you suggesting that these three generals are saying they don't think this a possibility?
You right, that doesn't read well.
What I meant to say was that the three generals who deemed it necessary to speak publicly about their concerns of a potential Trumpian Coup aren't morons.
Want to know why people don't buy this insurrection stuff? This, this is why. What's next?
Nor to mention the utter theatric of the "fallen" officer lying in state at the Capital rotunda. Broad casting a false narrative to make sure everyone saw this poor officer who was killed by Trump Nazis. Almost funny but not really.
Want to know why some people would believe that the election was stolen? This. This is why. Don't like it? Hold media accountable and the redicoulas democrats!!
Really? You don't consider early media reports, by main stream sources, that Officer Sicknick died as a result of a physical attack a misrepresentation of the circumstances of his death? And, as I said in my previous post I didn't find either "evil " or "nazi" in any of the sources I reviewed today. However, considering that both of those terms have been used to describe Mr. Trump's supporters by some, I think it possible that some have.
And this has what to do with the events of 01/06?
Why do you even persist in addressing Trump as Mister? He has sorely lacked in any qualities that entitle him to an honorific. I appreciate that you noted that your sources didn't include "Nazi" or "evil." Describing people more petty than Hitler is an insult to those who suffered under him, including the American soldiers that were killed in the war.
Want to know why people don't buy this insurrection stuff? This, this is why. What's next?
Nor to mention the utter theatric of the "fallen" officer lying in state at the Capital rotunda. Broad casting a false narrative to make sure everyone saw this poor officer who was killed by Trump Nazis. Almost funny but not really.
Want to know why some people would believe that the election was stolen? This. This is why. Don't like it? Hold media accountable and the redicoulas democrats!!
It seems that you've learned something that you think is evidence that the events of January 6 have been exaggerated. You apparently believe that the struggle prior to the officer's death was unrelated to his death and therefore that makes January 6 out to be nothing of concern. You apparently believe that it's "redicoulas" ( to use your word) to hold those rioters accountable, or the people who incited them, instead it's important to hold accountable the liberal legislators who were targeted by the mob, I guess.
No. We know that people believe that the election was stolen because Trump has told them lies about election integrity for more than a year now. They believe that lie because media outlets repeat the lie and elected officials reference the lie with regularity as if there were actual veracity to the claims. Those propagandists point to the beliefs of the indoctrinated as evidence of the the truth of the lie when we all know it's simply evidence that their lies were believed.
It sounds like you believe these lies about the election and about the events of January 6.
Want to know why people don't buy this insurrection stuff? This, this is why. What's next?
Nor to mention the utter theatric of the "fallen" officer lying in state at the Capital rotunda. Broad casting a false narrative to make sure everyone saw this poor officer who was killed by Trump Nazis. Almost funny but not really.
Want to know why some people would believe that the election was stolen? This. This is why. Don't like it? Hold media accountable and the redicoulas democrats!!
I agree that you've correctly identified "why some people would believe the election was stolen" and "why people don't buy this insurrection stuff", specifically that the facts which contradict your claims have been presented to you, yet rather than addressing them you simply completely ignore them. The technical term for that is delusional thinking.
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My point is this, the average media didn't misrepresent the circumstances of Sicknick's death and they didn't use words like evil or nazi to do it.
Yes, when behavior and attitudes are reminiscent of 20th century fascists, that might get mentioned by members. I still think that Session's zero tolerance policy that considered permanent family separation a useful deterrent falls on the evil side if the morality scale.