Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
Tell me about the ones you've graded. My older sister is also an RN. I was asking her something about a MD resident said.....she said "he's read too many books" ???????
I was making a joke to Heron as she is she has her doctorate and used to be in academia.
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4 hours ago, Cclm said:
No. They were not mostly peaceful that is false and perpetrated by left wing media.
When the riots of 2020 first happened, the police didn't respond well enough. After they kept happening, they responded more and with more force. Not unacceptable in the de escalation of violence. . However some police departments vacated their stations and left it to the rioters. And entire city blocks. That doesn't seem like treating the BLM antifa rioters with more force.Did the police and government just leave and allow the Jan. 6 rioters to take over the capital building? im wondering if you consider it a treat to democracy when a court house is barricaded shut with zip ties on the exit doors is set on fire with people still in it?. With mini zones setting up and declaring it a "automonous zone" and even tried to set up their own border and law enforcement? Is that democracy? When did the people vote for that? I s that not threatening democracy or an act of terrorism? Or does it depending on who is offending and what they are attacking?
Perhaps the police were ill prepared as you stated and their priority was de esculating the riot on Jan. 6 and couldn't arrest people at that exact time?
You cannot compare police response for things that happened on very different places and many topics being protested.
However you may want to compare charges and prison sentencing between the 2 types of protester. But probably not. Doesn't fit white right? ....
Yes, the BLM protests were mostly peaceful. Your media choices characterize the police brutality protests as violent riots and the accelerationists are happy to provide some violence for them to talk about. There have already been articles cited which address this phenomenon, maybe you didn't read them.
No, democracy is not threatened because a courthouse somewhere is barricaded. Democracy is threatened when lies about election integrity result in law changes which restrict voting and give legislators ability to ignore vote results. Democracy is threatened when a sitting president who has lost his election looks for unconstitutional means to maintain power. Democracy is threatened when the work of Congress is halted for security reasons after a violent mob breaks into the Capitol.
Yes the capitol police were ill prepared to thwart the attack on the Capitol even though they were warned.
Yes, I can compare a BLM protest in May at the Capitol to a violent attack on that same Capitol building 8 months later. What's inappropriate is comparing the attack on the Capitol for the purpose of stopping Congress's business to some protest somewhere else for some other agenda. Comparing police presence at the same site less than one year apart is obviously relevant.
I have no idea what your last comment means. I suspect that you are trying to make some sort of snarky point about racism but you need to try again. Or maybe just try to have a discussion without the nonsense.
Yes, the BLM protests were mostly peaceful. Your media choices characterize the police brutality protests as violent riots and the accelerationists are happy to provide some violence for them to talk about. There have already been articles cited which address this phenomenon, maybe you didn't read them.
No, democracy is not threatened because a courthouse somewhere is barricaded. Democracy is threatened when lies about election integrity result in law changes which restrict voting and give legislators ability to ignore vote results. Democracy is threatened when a sitting president who has lost his election looks for unconstitutional means to maintain power. Democracy is threatened when the work of Congress is halted for security reasons after a violent mob breaks into the Capitol.
Yes the capitol police were ill prepared to thwart the attack on the Capitol even though they were warned.
Yes, I can compare a BLM protest in May at the Capitol to a violent attack on that same Capitol building 8 months later. What's inappropriate is comparing the attack on the Capitol for the purpose of stopping Congress's business to some protest somewhere else for some other agenda. Comparing police presence at the same site less than one year apart is obviously relevant.
I have no idea what your last comment means. I suspect that you are trying to make some sort of snarky point about racism but you need to try again. Or maybe just try to have a discussion without the nonsense.
My last comment was meant to say, " doesn't fit quite right?".
I see you make no mention about the overtaken "autonomous zone" complete with barricaded"walls". Is allowing that to happen while having local police stand down and no National Guard to assist them a threat to democracy? The last time I checked there have been a few occasions that this would be considered a terrorist attack. How did the democratic mayor and Governor go about that? They didn't, nothing, called it a Summer of love. Well there were some sexual assault that happened so I guess it depends on what love is. Could you imagine if a group of Trump supporters with their big trucks and American flags overtook an entire block and called it "the Patriot Freedom Zone"? And Trump did nothing?? How many of those criminals were arrested and put in jail without bond?
So should the police have pretended they were unprepared the month s ater after Jan. 6 during the BLM protest at the capital? Because of diversity or something? Of course they acted differently, they were more prepared this time. Or should there have be different police response depending on the mobs skin color or political affiliation? One in which you agree with? Like POC can't be racist?
Perhaps you can formulate a reply that doesn't include associating me with media that (you) have deemed not credible? Or insult me personally?
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6 hours ago, Cclm said:
My last comment was meant to say, " doesn't fit quite right?".
I see you make no mention about the overtaken "autonomous zone" complete with barricaded"walls". Is allowing that to happen while having local police stand down and no National Guard to assist them a threat to democracy? The last time I checked there have been a few occasions that this would be considered a terrorist attack. How did the democratic mayor and Governor go about that? They didn't, nothing, called it a Summer of love. Well there were some sexual assault that happened so I guess it depends on what love is. Could you imagine if a group of Trump supporters with their big trucks and American flags overtook an entire block and called it "the Patriot Freedom Zone"? And Trump did nothing?? How many of those criminals were arrested and put in jail without bond?
So should the police have pretended they were unprepared the month s ater after Jan. 6 during the BLM protest at the capital? Because of diversity or something? Of course they acted differently, they were more prepared this time. Or should there have be different police response depending on the mobs skin color or political affiliation? One in which you agree with? Like POC can't be racist?
Perhaps you can formulate a reply that doesn't include associating me with media that (you) have deemed not credible? Or insult me personally?
No. A protest in an American city which includes arson or other violence is not the same as an attack on our capitol for the purpose of stopping the function of Congress in certifying electron results. I submit that to suggest as much is evidence of indoctrination.
I don't have to imagine a bunch of Trump supporters with big trucks and Trump flags behaving in dangerous and reckless ways. That behavior is becoming the expectation after those armed Trump supporters have taken over state government buildings because they don't like masks and tried to run a Biden campaign bus of the highway because they don't like liberals. But you go ahead and imagine some fantasy rather than acknowledge reality.
I have no idea, once again what your words about diversity in the police are intended to convey. People of color can be prejudiced, biased , bigoted, etc. In the USA people of color do not possess the power to practice racism. Prejudice holding hands with power and authority births racism.
When you inform yourself with inaccurate and politically inflammatory media sources it's likely that your remarks will be inaccurate and/or inflammatory. The evidence bears that out.
No. A protest in an American city which includes arson or other violence is not the same as an attack on our capitol for the purpose of stopping the function of Congress in certifying electron results. I submit that to suggest as much is evidence of indoctrination.
I don't have to imagine a bunch of Trump supporters with big trucks and Trump flags behaving in dangerous and reckless ways. That behavior is becoming the expectation after those armed Trump supporters have taken over state government buildings because they don't like masks and tried to run a Biden campaign bus of the highway because they don't like liberals. But you go ahead and imagine some fantasy rather than acknowledge reality.
I have no idea, once again what your words about diversity in the police are intended to convey. People of color can be prejudiced, biased , bigoted, etc. In the USA people of color do not possess the power to practice racism. Prejudice holding hands with power and authority births racism.
When you inform yourself with inaccurate and politically inflammatory media sources it's likely that your remarks will be inaccurate and/or inflammatory. The evidence bears that out.
Almost made it without referring to my "media". Lack power? You have a low opinion of POC. Left radicals like yourself think they can change definitions, like racism. I'll throw a bone, some POC do not possess the means in which their racism can cause the same effect as others dependent on the culture. However that's is no longer the case.
As soon as POC are no longer politicians, police , senators, mayor or even fhe POTUS, then I'll buy the "the POC is just helpless poor and can't do nothin" false ideology. When POC can write and enact laws, they have power.
No. A protest in an American city which includes arson or other violence is not the same as an attack on our capitol for the purpose of stopping the function of Congress in certifying electron results. I submit that to suggest as much is evidence of indoctrination.
I don't have to imagine a bunch of Trump supporters with big trucks and Trump flags behaving in dangerous and reckless ways. That behavior is becoming the expectation after those armed Trump supporters have taken over state government buildings because they don't like masks and tried to run a Biden campaign bus of the highway because they don't like liberals. But you go ahead and imagine some fantasy rather than acknowledge reality.
I have no idea, once again what your words about diversity in the police are intended to convey. People of color can be prejudiced, biased , bigoted, etc. In the USA people of color do not possess the power to practice racism. Prejudice holding hands with power and authority births racism.
When you inform yourself with inaccurate and politically inflammatory media sources it's likely that your remarks will be inaccurate and/or inflammatory. The evidence bears that out.
The fact that you omit any comments about "chaz" tells me that you do not want to discuss that attack on democracy. An occuping force within a US city...... but but... Jan. 6 reeeeeek well try to imagine what would happen if anyone but democrats in a non Democrat state would do if a bunch of gun slinging Texas citizens decided to construct a zone in which they control and run with guns. Not letting a specific type of person in or segregating them. You tell me. All the no power POC in the US government wouldn't do anything? Ha! Ya right.
Roger Stone becomes the latest Trump ally to invoke the Fifth Amendment as refused to answer questions posed by the Jan 6 Committee.
At least he actually showed up. Perhaps he has better lawyers than other witnesses that know you actually have to show up to avoid being charge with contempt of Congress.
In the USA people of color do not possess the power to practice racism. Prejudice holding hands with power and authority births racism.
When you inform yourself with inaccurate and politically inflammatory media sources it's likely that your remarks will be inaccurate and/or inflammatory. The evidence bears that out.
You don’t consider the Nation of Islam to be a racist organization?
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2 hours ago, Beausoleil said:
You don’t consider the Nation of Islam to be a racist organization?
The organization is considered a hate group. That far right extremist group, especially under Farrakhan, enjoyed lots of inflammatory rhetoric and even praise of Hitler. It's not clear that they have carried out any physical acts of racism or terrorism. I couldn't find and references to lynching, hanging, burning or other violent behaviors associated with racism in this country.
As an aside, did you watch the film Malcolm X with Denzel Washington?
I was looking for examples of the Nation of Islam acting out their racist rhetoric when I came across that article about perceptions of racism and discrimination. It's interesting to note the rise in antisemitic sentiment after 2016. That coincides with the elevation of white nationalist and white supremacy in the same time frame.
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19 hours ago, Cclm said:
Almost made it without referring to my "media". Lack power? You have a low opinion of POC. Left radicals like yourself think they can change definitions, like racism. I'll throw a bone, some POC do not possess the means in which their racism can cause the same effect as others dependent on the culture. However that's is no longer the case.
As soon as POC are no longer politicians, police , senators, mayor or even fhe POTUS, then I'll buy the "the POC is just helpless poor and can't do nothin" false ideology. When POC can write and enact laws, they have power.
No, I don't have a low opinion of POC...that's just you throwing your flawed interpretation of my words around for effect.
You go right ahead and show me examples of POC forcing their racist beliefs onto white people in this country through legislation...maybe laws which limit where those white people can live, work or go to school...or maybe laws about drinking from a water fountain or sitting in a diner or which seats you can use on the bus.
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I was making a joke to Heron as she is she has her doctorate and used to be in academia.