Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
You asked, I answered with zero expectation that you would accept the clip or the observation that some Fox commentators changed their messaging about January 6 as the weeks went by. They said one thing on January 6 and have implied or changed the focus to other things as time passes. The evidence demonstrates that pretty clearly.
We know that a good bit of the programming that comes from the Fox cable platform is highly biased and not well founded in facts. Their audience doesn't know that and consequently believe much of what they hear or see there.
I'm wondering if you have a source for this claim that Fox is almost 100 %lies and propaganda. I couldn't imagine that being a feeling of yours or emotion. That chart you referenced me had both CNN and Fox close to center and rated left and right bias. However also ranked it at mostly credible. Both of them.
That was a helpful guide. Thank you.
What is your evidence that what you say is your about Fox News?
That entire "minute by minute" report excluded the 10 seconds of when he also said "peacefully and patrioticaly, make your verses heard"!!
They blatantly left that part out. Bla. What else are they leaving out? At first I was a bit disturbed by President Trump's comments, they they made no mention of what else he said. So I have to scrutinize all of it. If they didn't omit that, I might have had a different view point of his actions that day.
Nope. Not credible, propaganda. (Omitting details is a function of propaganda btw).
You are maybe presuming that they can't prove that he incited them? Incitement does not have to occur only at the time of the event. Do you remember when Trump supporters decided to return to the capitol for another protest? Without Trump's incitement the crowd was small and uninspired. It was quite a contrast.
Correlation is not causation. Perhaps the democrats can be held accountable by not condemning all the riots in their cities for a year? Or in some cases encouraging or dismissing riot violence??? "Summer of love".
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18 hours ago, Cclm said:
Trump thought it was a mostly peaceful but furry protest. He thought it was a more of a social worker issue than a policing issue. Pretty sure. Maybe another CHOP zone? You know where they over took a few city blocks and a police station I believe. During the Summer of love?
Thanks for replying. It actually does give me more insight into his mentality.
I may anger some by saying this, but I did notice there was very little commentary distinguishing the majority of rally attendees who were peaceful, and then went home. The coverage tended to merge the two. Many of them probably found out about the Capitol violence after they left the area. It isn''t a crime to believe what somebody you admire is telling you, whether they deserve that admiration or not.
You are maybe presuming that they can't prove that he incited them?
Yep, chances are they can't get Trump from a legal standpoint.
Pretty much anyone with some deductive reasoning can mark him ultimately responsible for setting the stage and that he's responsible for the actions on January 6th.
But charges incitement of a takeover of the capitol and riot aren't going be pinned on him. In my opinion.
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3 hours ago, Tweety said:
Yep, chances are they can't get Trump from a legal standpoint.
Pretty much anyone with some deductive reasoning can mark him ultimately responsible for setting the stage and that he's responsible for the actions on January 6th.
But charges incitement of a takeover of the capitol and riot aren't going be pinned on him. In my opinion.
I thought that Cheney's choice of words was very suggestive. I wasn't alone.
What crime might Trump have committed on Jan. 6? Liz Cheney points to one.
Thanks for replying. It actually does give me more insight into his mentality.
I may anger some by saying this, but I did notice there was very little commentary distinguishing the majority of rally attendees who were peaceful, and then went home. The coverage tended to merge the two. Many of them probably found out about the Capitol violence after they left the area. It isn''t a crime to believe what somebody you admire is telling you, whether they deserve that admiration or not.
Even if what they say is true or not. It's most certainly doesn't make it okay to riot that's forsure. Anywhere.
There's the idea that Jan. 6 was way worse than any of the BLM, ATIFA riots of 2020. Because it was done at a government building. They were trying to overthrow our democracy! They cry. The rioters that day couldn't possibly even come close to actually accomplishing anything close to disruption the US government or democracy. Not even if 8t was 5 times worse than what it was.
On one hand its like they are giving this small group of people, from a group of many more people the credit of being able to overthrow the US government. Then in the same vreath call them stupid conspiracy theorist Trump cult members. You can't have it both ways.
I do not think you would find a republican that would condone Jan. 6 but perhaps the condemnation the left wants is just a reflection of what they did all Summer with the riots. Nothing.
Or like myself, if you want to hold people on Jan. 6 accountable with some being kept in jail for months no bail on minor charges, then hold the rioters to the same standard. Don't let out felons on bail so they can act out their racist terroristic crimes on innocent people by mowing them down with the SUV at a Christmas parade.
The 2020 rioters need to be held accountable and the Jan. 6 rioters need to be as well. Just do it even and fairly.
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4 hours ago, nursel56 said:
Thanks for replying. It actually does give me more insight into his mentality.
I may anger some by saying this, but I did notice there was very little commentary distinguishing the majority of rally attendees who were peaceful, and then went home. The coverage tended to merge the two. Many of them probably found out about the Capitol violence after they left the area. It isn''t a crime to believe what somebody you admire is telling you, whether they deserve that admiration or not.
The best man from my wedding (decades ago) was in attendance at that rally. He was not in attendance at the riot. He said that he and his wife walked to the capitol and then went to the hotel. They didn't even know what happened until they saw it on TV.
Correlation is not causation. Perhaps the democrats can be held accountable by not condemning all the riots in their cities for a year? Or in some cases encouraging or dismissing riot violence??? "Summer of love".
Why do you insist on bringing up this false equivalence ? Are you saying that the Jan 6 protest would have remained peaceful if only the BLM demonstrations would have been shut down 6 months earlier?
I have heard that some of the fomenters of the Jan 6 violence were counting more counter-demonstrators just so they could justify their use of force. And yet, there is no proof that counter-demonstrators were present.
Tell me about the ones you've graded. My older sister is also an RN. I was asking her something about a MD resident said.....she said "he's read too many books" ???????
Why do you insist on bringing up this false equivalence ? Are you saying that the Jan 6 protest would have remained peaceful if only the BLM demonstrations would have been shut down 6 months earlier?
I have heard that some of the fomenters of the Jan 6 violence were counting more counter-demonstrators just so they could justify their use of force. And yet, there is no proof that counter-demonstrators were present.
The other member suggested that republicans are silent and not condemning the Jan. 6 enough for democrats.
I said they are mirroring the democrats apathy and even encouragement of all the riots of 2020.
So perhaps they set the president of how yo react to riots. Wanting action that they themselves did not.
I'm not sure why you would think that if there were not riots in the Summer then Jan. 6 would not have happened?
However perhaps the capital rioters were expecting the same lenient treatment as the Summer rioters?
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You've graded too many papers in your life. LOL