January 6 Select Committee

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Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/03/clark-eastman-fifth-amendment/

It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/mark-meadows-lawsuit/index.html

The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.

And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results. 

https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-powerpoint-January-election-results-trump-1658076

The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.

Only the finest people...

 

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5 hours ago, Beerman said:

Actually, the Fox folks condemned those riots the day of, on air.  Don't trust your liberal propagandist media.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-condemns-capitol-violence-wants-perpetrators-arrested-prosecuted

Even Trump condemned the violence.  Yawn........

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You asked, I answered with zero expectation that you would accept the clip or the observation that some Fox commentators changed their messaging about January 6 as the weeks went by. They said one thing on January 6 and have implied or changed the focus to other things as time passes. The evidence demonstrates that pretty clearly. 

We know that a good bit of the programming that comes from the Fox cable platform is highly biased and not well founded in facts.  Their audience doesn't know that and consequently believe much of what they hear or see there. 

You've watched a lot of Fox since then, or just relying on WaPo accounts and clips?

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I guess there's several ways to look at the texts depending on the spin you want to take.  

There's the idea that they didn't approve of Trump's behavior that day, urged him to make a quick condemnation through their connections,  and condemned the violence and this shows something.

Then there's another spin.  

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2021/12/14/22834009/fox-texts-trump-meadows-ingraham-hannity-capitol-riot

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/hannity-ingraham-kilmeade-fox-news-texts-on-air-1271349/

At the end of the day while I find it interesting, it's not earth shattering news but can't really blame the liberal press for running with it.   

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2 hours ago, Beerman said:

You've watched a lot of Fox since then, or just relying on WaPo accounts and clips?

Yes. I watched enough Fox to understand their position and programming relative to January 6. Maybe the better question is why are you unaware?

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10 hours ago, Beerman said:

"Stop the Steal" as you call it, didn't include a riot.

The texts weren't exactly cheering on the rioters, were they?  Quite the opposite.

On January 6 it did include a riot at the capitol that wad intended to stop the counting of the EC votes.  It's important that those texts reflected that those who sent them perceived Trump as the person responsible for the riot and the person responsible for getting the mob to disperse. 

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8 hours ago, Cclm said:

"Make you way to the capital to peacefully and patrioticaly make your voices heard". That's what he said. Forget? 

That's not all that he said and you are likely very aware of that but chose to misrepresent Trump's words anyway.  

11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes. I watched enough Fox to understand their position and programming relative to January 6. Maybe the better question is why are you unaware?

OK.  I thought in the past you said you don't have cable TV.  I must have you confused with someone else.

I'm sure you mean you've watched enough to understand what you want to.  So, not sure I can put much credibility in that.

 

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I guess there's several ways to look at the texts depending on the spin you want to take.  

There's the idea that they didn't approve of Trump's behavior that day, urged him to make a quick condemnation through their connections,  and condemned the violence and this shows something.

Then there's another spin.  

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2021/12/14/22834009/fox-texts-trump-meadows-ingraham-hannity-capitol-riot

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/hannity-ingraham-kilmeade-fox-news-texts-on-air-1271349/

At the end of the day while I find it interesting, it's not earth shattering news but can't really blame the liberal press for running with it.   

It's not earth shattering that members of Congress were aware that the outgoing president was trying to find a loophole that he could use top break our democracy and seize power that he lost in an election. It's not earth shattering that a portion of the Congress was involved in that effort to undo the 2020 election results.  

I say it's not earth shattering because Americans are like frogs in hot water...we just keep sitting here imagining that everything is fine because we have our media voices telling us what's important and they're not trelling us that the bad guys have come after our Constitution. We are complacent. 

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3:13 p.m.: About 10 minutes after rioters are photographed on the Senate floor, Trump calls for peaceful protests.

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" he tweeted.

What he said prior

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“We fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,” Trump said. “So we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue – I love Pennsylvania Avenue – and we are going to the Capitol.”

After Trump said “We will not let them silence your voices,” a chant of “Fight For Trump” broke out. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/11/trump-impeachment-trial-timeline-trump-actions-during-capitol-riot/6720727002/

Again, it really can't be proven that Trump incited the violence that occurred later that day, or that he didn't condemn it.  But like I said before he set the stage and I hold him responsible.  

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2 minutes ago, Beerman said:

OK.  I thought in the past you said you don't have cable TV.  I must have you confused with someone else.

I'm sure you mean you've watched enough to understand what you want to.  So, not sure I can put much credibility in that.

 

Perhaps you are unaware that content from cable television can be downloaded and consumed. Maybe you are unaware that the the followers of Fox right wing content are more likely to believe that 0106 was just a peaceful protest than the consumers of other media.  Maybe you think that the results of their efforts wad a mistake or a coincidence?

 I already knew that you question my credibility and prefer to try to insult me rather than discuss the issues.  Now you apparently don't know that Fox programming included words and rhetoric minimizing the importance of what happened on 0106 and so you try to insult me rather than discuss Fox...I'm used to it. It's just a portion of attempting to have a discussion when you want to participate. 

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7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's not earth shattering that members of Congress were aware that the outgoing president was trying to find a loophole that he could use top break our democracy and seize power that he lost in an election. It's not earth shattering that a portion of the Congress was involved in that effort to undo the 2020 election results.  

I say it's not earth shattering because Americans are like frogs in hot water...we just keep sitting here imagining that everything is fine because we have our media voices telling us what's important and they're not trelling us that the bad guys have come after our Constitution. We are complacent. 

That's quite a spin.  I mean it's not hearth shattering that right wing nuts Hannity and Ingraham used their connections to try to get Trump to make a public statement.

12 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 It's important that those texts reflected that those who sent them perceived Trump as the person responsible for the riot and the person responsible for getting the mob to disperse. 

LOL....I can see how someone let's their hatred for Trump impair their reasoning skills would see it that way.

I think they saw him more as the person who could stop it, and correctly predicted he would be blamed for it.

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