Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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7 hours ago, Cclm said:
The other member suggested that republicans are silent and not condemning the Jan. 6 enough for democrats.
I said they are mirroring the democrats apathy and even encouragement of all the riots of 2020.
So perhaps they set the president of how yo react to riots. Wanting action that they themselves did not.
I'm not sure why you would think that if there were not riots in the Summer then Jan. 6 would not have happened?
However perhaps the capital rioters were expecting the same lenient treatment as the Summer rioters?
You seem to have witnessed different events than I did on January 6 and you must not have paid any attention to the police presence at the capitol in May when BLM protested there as compared to January 6. That probably reflects a preference for media which has an agenda of minimizing the importance and significance of that event event in January. Do you mostly inform yourself about that event using Fox programming and right wing social media commentary?
You seem to have witnessed different events than I did on January 6 and you must not have paid any attention to the police presence at the capitol in May when BLM protested there as compared to January 6. That probably reflects a preference for media which has an agenda of minimizing the importance and significance of that event event in January. Do you mostly inform yourself about that event using Fox programming and right wing social media commentary?
I'm not sure. You disclosed to another member that you watch Fox? Cable Fox. Do you download cable CNN and watch that as well?
Perhaps the police were not in high alert that day because for the most part with few exceptions, republicans , conservatives and/or Trump supporters for 4 years did not demonstrate allot of violence .
There were thousands of people there on Jan. 6 and I hate to use the term, but most were actually peaceful. It lasted 4 hours and the only people who died was a unarmed Trump supporter shot by capital police and all others were natural death. The other "protesters" take Chop for example in Seatle were responsible for many deaths. Of POC no less. More people died in these riots than unarmed POC died the entire year from police.
If you want to compare the 2, compare charges for the 2020 riots and Jan. 6. Allot of people arrested were let go and not charged. Some Jan. 6 were held with no bail on repeatedly minor charges.
Those links seem to suggest a a higher presence of police well into 2020 with several violent riots occurring before the police presence of that in which you linked above. Do you have some criminal charges stats on the 2020 riots and Jan.6? What about the police presence after Jan. 6? Erected fencing or wall and many National hard troops at the capital.
You seem to have witnessed different events than I did on January 6 and you must not have paid any attention to the police presence at the capitol in May when BLM protested there as compared to January 6. That probably reflects a preference for media which has an agenda of minimizing the importance and significance of that event event in January. Do you mostly inform yourself about that event using Fox programming and right wing social media commentary?
Indeed. The police presence on January 6 was minimal on January 6 in spite of intelligence reports of anticipated violence. Some of the capitol police posed for photo ops with the mob on January 6 whereas during the BLM protests they were not even wearing tags which identified which agency they represented and there were multiple agencies deployed to create a wall of intimidation. The article reflects the failure of the police to listen to their own warnings and act appropriately, now the question is who is going to be accountable for that enormous failure. I've heard Trump supporters attempt to blame Pelosi. We definitely need to get to the bottom of the inability to adequately plan for an anticipated threat.
There was quite an impressive difference in the way the capitol was prepared to greet BLM protestors versus the way it was prepared for Trump's agitated crowd. This committee is learning more everyday about the violence that was incited on 010621. I think coup attempt specifics will become more public after the first of the year. There will be lots to talk about.
The other member suggested that republicans are silent and not condemning the Jan. 6 enough for democrats.
I said they are mirroring the democrats apathy and even encouragement of all the riots of 2020.
So perhaps they set the president of how yo react to riots. Wanting action that they themselves did not.
I'm not sure why you would think that if there were not riots in the Summer then Jan. 6 would not have happened?
However perhaps the capital rioters were expecting the same lenient treatment as the Summer rioters?
Wow, this is some crazy contorted version of BLM demonstrations, police and government response and “ perhaps they set the president of how yo react to riots”. I think there could have been some internal pressure to minimize police and or National Guard response.
And no, I am not blaming the former guy, because I think he is too stupid to have thought that far ahead. It does deserve investigation.
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7 hours ago, Cclm said:
I'm not sure. You disclosed to another member that you watch Fox? Cable Fox. Do you download cable CNN and watch that as well?
Perhaps the police were not in high alert that day because for the most part with few exceptions, republicans , conservatives and/or Trump supporters for 4 years did not demonstrate allot of violence .
There were thousands of people there on Jan. 6 and I hate to use the term, but most were actually peaceful. It lasted 4 hours and the only people who died was a unarmed Trump supporter shot by capital police and all others were natural death. The other "protesters" take Chop for example in Seatle were responsible for many deaths. Of POC no less. More people died in these riots than unarmed POC died the entire year from police.
If you want to compare the 2, compare charges for the 2020 riots and Jan. 6. Allot of people arrested were let go and not charged. Some Jan. 6 were held with no bail on repeatedly minor charges.
Those links seem to suggest a a higher presence of police well into 2020 with several violent riots occurring before the police presence of that in which you linked above. Do you have some criminal charges stats on the 2020 riots and Jan.6? What about the police presence after Jan. 6? Erected fencing or wall and many National hard troops at the capital.
No...I don't download and watch CNN. I download and watch Fox programming so that I am aware of what people are hearing from that outlet.
The police weren't on high alert because their leadership ignored intelligence warnings for violence and didn't prepare for the worst...like they did when BLM protested.
Most of the people at BLM protests were peaceful too. The mob on January 6 intended to and did interfere with the function of federal government and BLM did not.
Yeah, let's compare arrests. After breaking into our capitol building, exactly zero of those rioters were arrested on the scene. That is privilege. Yes. We had to barricade the capitol because of threatening and violent Trump supporters who believe that the 2020 election was stolen.
I'm not sure. You disclosed to another member that you watch Fox? Cable Fox. Do you download cable CNN and watch that as well?
Perhaps the police were not in high alert that day because for the most part with few exceptions, republicans , conservatives and/or Trump supporters for 4 years did not demonstrate allot of violence .
There were thousands of people there on Jan. 6 and I hate to use the term, but most were actually peaceful. It lasted 4 hours and the only people who died was a unarmed Trump supporter shot by capital police and all others were natural death. The other "protesters" take Chop for example in Seatle were responsible for many deaths. Of POC no less. More people died in these riots than unarmed POC died the entire year from police.
If you want to compare the 2, compare charges for the 2020 riots and Jan. 6. Allot of people arrested were let go and not charged. Some Jan. 6 were held with no bail on repeatedly minor charges.
Those links seem to suggest a a higher presence of police well into 2020 with several violent riots occurring before the police presence of that in which you linked above. Do you have some criminal charges stats on the 2020 riots and Jan.6? What about the police presence after Jan. 6? Erected fencing or wall and many National hard troops at the capital.
I too wonder where you are getting your information. I notice most right-leaning media sources ignore the death of Roseanne Boyland, a former guy supporter who was crushed by fellow protestors on Jan 6. The only deaths I can find connected with the Seattle CHOP zone were 2 shooting deaths. 2 too many, in my view, but not the many you stated.
Wow, this is some crazy contorted version of BLM demonstrations, police and government response and “ perhaps they set the president of how yo react to riots”. I think there could have been some internal pressure to minimize police and or National Guard response.
And no, I am not blaming the former guy, because I think he is too stupid to have thought that far ahead. It does deserve investigation.
It's not really crazy at all. Just look at democrats statements on the matter and more importantly their actions when massive violent protests are happening almost everyday the Summer of 2020. Either silent, supportive or weakly condemned any of it. News stations down playing "mostly peaceful bit fiery protest". Let's not forget that gem.
Should you wish tho debunk my whole opinion, perhaps you could have added some sources that contradicted me.
I think there was some National guard minimizing pressure as well. But probably not by who you think.
I too wonder where you are getting your information. I notice most right-leaning media sources ignore the death of Roseanne Boyland, a former guy supporter who was crushed by fellow protestors on Jan 6. The only deaths I can find connected with the Seattle CHOP zone were 2 shooting deaths. 2 too many, in my view, but not the many you stated.
I didn't state a number of deaths in "Chop" nor did I stay there were more in "chp" then at the capital.
Let's not forget if the woman who was unarmed was shot by a white cop and she was a person of color, do you think there could be a chance it would be reacted to differently. Not yo mention the lefties about the police officer getting beat to death by a fire hydrant. Just another left propaganda tactic. Besides, I thought ACAB or something.
I too wonder where you are getting your information. I notice most right-leaning media sources ignore the death of Roseanne Boyland, a former guy supporter who was crushed by fellow protestors on Jan 6. The only deaths I can find connected with the Seattle CHOP zone were 2 shooting deaths. 2 too many, in my view, but not the many you stated.
People get crushed in large unruly groups. Did they know he was a "gay supporter"? And they crushed him on purpose because of that?
Highly unlikely and that person didn't to be there. He chose to. However I'll make a disclaimer now. If he wanted to be there and was being attacked and he defended himself by killing his attackers, he still had that right even though he chose to be there.
Doesn't take away the fact that more people were killed in these police justice than killed by police.
I too wonder where you are getting your information. I notice most right-leaning media sources ignore the death of Roseanne Boyland, a former guy supporter who was crushed by fellow protestors on Jan 6. The only deaths I can find connected with the Seattle CHOP zone were 2 shooting deaths. 2 too many, in my view, but not the many you stated.
No...I don't download and watch CNN. I download and watch Fox programming so that I am aware of what people are hearing from that outlet.
The police weren't on high alert because their leadership ignored intelligence warnings for violence and didn't prepare for the worst...like they did when BLM protested.
Most of the people at BLM protests were peaceful too. The mob on January 6 intended to and did interfere with the function of federal government and BLM did not.
Yeah, let's compare arrests. After breaking into our capitol building, exactly zero of those rioters were arrested on the scene. That is privilege. Yes. We had to barricade the capitol because of threatening and violent Trump supporters who believe that the 2020 election was stolen.
No. They were not mostly peaceful that is false and perpetrated by left wing media.
When the riots of 2020 first happened, the police didn't respond well enough. After they kept happening, they responded more and with more force. Not unacceptable in the de escalation of violence. . However some police departments vacated their stations and left it to the rioters. And entire city blocks. That doesn't seem like treating the BLM antifa rioters with more force.Did the police and government just leave and allow the Jan. 6 rioters to take over the capital building? im wondering if you consider it a treat to democracy when a court house is barricaded shut with zip ties on the exit doors is set on fire with people still in it?. With mini zones setting up and declaring it a "automonous zone" and even tried to set up their own border and law enforcement? Is that democracy? When did the people vote for that? I s that not threatening democracy or an act of terrorism? Or does it depending on who is offending and what they are attacking?
Perhaps the police were ill prepared as you stated and their priority was de esculating the riot on Jan. 6 and couldn't arrest people at that exact time?
You cannot compare police response for things that happened on very different places and many topics being protested.
However you may want to compare charges and prison sentencing between the 2 types of protester. But probably not. Doesn't fit white right? ....
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You seem to have witnessed different events than I did on January 6 and you must not have paid any attention to the police presence at the capitol in May when BLM protested there as compared to January 6. That probably reflects a preference for media which has an agenda of minimizing the importance and significance of that event event in January. Do you mostly inform yourself about that event using Fox programming and right wing social media commentary?
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954568499/protests-in-white-and-black-and-the-different-response-of-law-enforcement
https://apnews.com/article/congress-storming-black-lives-matter-22983dc91d16bf949efbb60cdda4495d
https://publicintegrity.org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/night-and-day-difference-in-police-response/