Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
Among the records that Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to shield from Jan. 6 investigators are a draft executive order that would have directed the defense secretary to seize voting machines and a document titled “Remarks on National Healing.”
POLITICO has reviewed both documents. The text of the draft executive order is published here for the first time.
The executive order — which also would have appointed a special counsel to probe the 2020 election — was never issued. The remarks are a draft of a speech Trump gave the next day. Together, the two documents point to the wildly divergent perspectives of White House advisers and allies during Trump’s frenetic final weeks in office.
He got away with having mail boxes taken away (subtle:) . Why not voting machines?It's not so difficult to believe that, if elected, he would get away with it. Who's left to stop him? Congress? The military? Any police force?
He got away with having mail boxes taken away (subtle:) . Why not voting machines?It's not so difficult to believe that, if elected, he would get away with it. Who's left to stop him? Congress? The military? Any police force?
I think the the majority of people do not trust the government. Either Democrat or republican. Each side thinks that there is baloney abound. It's because we are not unable to relate to each other and accept our different opinions anymore. It's the fist time I've seen it in my life time to this extent. It's is heartbreaking.
I also think the majority of Mr.Trump supporters do not think the election was stolen in a way with fraud and evil voting machines,I think they think that the mail in voting changes for COVID were grossly taken advantage of. And that the pandemic was exploited to get rid of Mr. Trump. I think there is a number of democrats that think the same but look the other way because its more acceptable to get rid of Mr.Trump. This is only my opinion but I present a friendly and open disposition and find that I can converse with both sides of the equation. Which I have. This is not to say I think these things, it's just some anecdotal information I would like to share with my fellow Nurses. I think sitting and listening to each other we might be able to unite as Americans again.
As for the Meuler Report. People will dismiss this because there were no charges. Not for Trump anyway. Not to mention the soft ball relations with Russian by the Biden administration now. Doesn't instill trust. Even in criminal trials, when a person gets off of a charge or isn't charged at all, allot of people will feel the person is still guilty. However they place their trust in the legal system and usually move on. There have been a few legal trials I've been personally invested in. They did not go the way that I liked. However I was able to find peace because I understood that even if our justice system fails to convict 10 guilty people, but that process prevents 1 innocent person from going to jail, then I know our system has worked,even if I disagree with the conclusion. Trump supporters will not accept the Meuller report because nothing came of it. Would a Democrat suddenly stop supporting President Biden in a report that said some unsavory possible illegal things about him? Probably not. And they should not because he was not held legally accountable. Not enough evidence to charge him? No, of course they would not accept it.
We have to let that one go in my opinion. Mr.Trump is no longer the President of the United States and probably will not be ever again. The constant Trump fixation will only continue to divide our beautiful country. Remember approximately half the people voted for him, not all can be evil seditionist. The democrats have who they want,stop giving Mr. Trump attention. If anything it only feeds his ego. Or could convince more to vote for him in 2024 if he runs. I'm going out on a limb here but I think the majority people on this thread will not want that! Just a hunch (wink,wink).
Trump specifically wrote about removing voting machines in recently released emails so yeah, Republicans believe that voting machines AND mail in ballots are causes to negate the election results. No one believes that all Trumpers are evil aeditionists....just a large number of them. The rest were either uninformed, stupid or naive.
Trump specifically wrote about removing voting machines in recently released emails so yeah, Republicans believe that voting machines AND mail in ballots are causes to negate the election results. ...
If you are referring to removing voting machines before/during the election, would you provide a source for this?
27 minutes ago, subee said:
... No one believes that all Trumpers are evil aeditionists....just a large number of them. The rest were either uninformed, stupid or naive.
If you are referring to removing voting machines before/during the election, would you provide a source for this?
It never happened, but makes for some interesting reading.
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The draft executive order shows that the weeks between Election Day and the Capitol attack could have been even more chaotic than they were. It credulously cites conspiracy theories about election fraud in Georgia and Michigan, as well as debunked notions about Dominion voting machines.
The order empowers the defense secretary to “seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention under” a U.S. law that relates to preservation of election records. It also cites a lawsuit filed in 2017 against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
Additionally, the draft order would have given the defense secretary 60 days to write an assessment of the 2020 election. That suggests it could have been a gambit to keep Trump in power until at least mid-February of 2021.
The full text of the never-issued executive order can be read here.
It opens by citing a host of presidential authorities to permit the steps that Trump would take, including the Constitution and Executive Order 12333, a well-known order governing the intelligence community. But the draft executive order also cites two classified documents: National Security Presidential Memoranda 13 and 21.
Here's the document. It's interesting that this legal thinking bubbled up after Bill Barr had resigned and after the fellow who lost the election fired and replaced the Secretary of Defense, Esper.
If you are referring to removing voting machines before/during the election, would you provide a source for this?
How do you define "Trumper?"
Definition of Trumper: People who voted for him and would vote again for him, or for anyone who hasn't renounced him as someone dangerous to the Republican party or to society in general.
I hope I usually say "Trump supporter" and not "Trumper" because in a mature discussion I don't find it helpful. For a while I never really liked the word "Dems" because it's so widespread I've lightened up some.
Speaking of a Trump supporter. Harping back to the days when Trump said people were out for "witch hunt", his supporter Newt Gingrich called the investigators a lynch mob that might face prosecution themselves.
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Calling the members of the 6 January committee “wolves [who] are going to find out that they’re now sheep”, he said that if Republicans take Congress in November, “this is all going to come crashing down … they’re the ones who in fact, I think, face a real risk of jail for the kinds of laws they’re breaking”.
I hope I usually say "Trump supporter" and not "Trumper" because in a mature discussion I don't find it helpful. For a while I never really liked the word "Dems" because it's so widespread I've lightened up some.
Speaking of a Trump supporter. Harping back to the days when Trump said people were out for "witch hunt", his supporter Newt Gingrich called the investigators a lynch mob that might face prosecution themselves.
It was interesting that Gingrich's gas lighting didn't specify the laws that he believes are being trampled that would result in legal consequences for those investigating the events leading to the violent attempt to nullify the presidential election results. It's also interesting that for someone expressing concern about law and order, he seems comfortable with the law breaking and disorder that followed Trump's rally on 010621.
I hope I usually say "Trump supporter" and not "Trumper" because in a mature discussion I don't find it helpful. For a while I never really liked the word "Dems" because it's so widespread I've lightened up some.
Speaking of a Trump supporter. Harping back to the days when Trump said people were out for "witch hunt", his supporter Newt Gingrich called the investigators a lynch mob that might face prosecution themselves.
I hope I usually say "Trump supporter" and not "Trumper" because in a mature discussion I don't find it helpful. For a while I never really liked the word "Dems" because it's so widespread I've lightened up some.
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You do. And, you differentiate between Republican, conservative, and Trump supporter, as they are not necessarily interchangeable.
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Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized voting machines