(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Places for example, Ireland has done research and published their findings that this virus is on the level as the regular seasonal flu.
Ireland has had over 3,000 deaths from Covid this year. Their yearly flu deaths are max 500. You sound like you've been listening to Ivor Cummins, someone I've liked for his challenge to prevailing cholesterol wisdom, but who has suffered economically in the lockdowns there, and as a result has come out vociferously and IMHO disingenuously against them.
Sorry you experienced an overreaction in the ED. Many times, many people cannot get even cursory attention there.
I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology as well as a Master's Degree, specializing in abnormal behavior. Most of my career life, when I wasn't in the military, was spent working in the Department of Correction as a Social Worker. I've only recent decided to venture into the nursing field, after having taken care of a terminally ill mother. She was an ADN for over 30 years. I feel quite confident that she and many of the nurses that I know will not take this vaccine. One of them being a close childhood friend who is a FNP, specializing in Onocology. As for me, I plan to bridge my way right up to a DNP in psychiatrics. Thank you very much
I really hope you know there are people out there who think the responses to your posts on here are condescending and out of line.
Assumptions that because you are trying to get into an LPN program that you aren’t educated. Assumptions that because you are skeptical means you will spread that skepticism to your patients. Assumptions that it is because you don’t have enough information, aren’t science based etc is why you have your opinion. Assumptions that you shouldn’t even work in healthcare if you don’t volunteer in the early release of a new vaccines before data has been collected for long term effects and pregnancy and fertility outcomes.
These are all shaming tactics.
The best thing I ever did was stop engaging with people who have no respect for other’s skepticism, concerns and desire for more long term scientific data. No respect for people to have their own choice regarding their personal medical treatments and care. I’m all for healthy debate that includes respecting different perspective and sharing opposing information. That happens around here too, but not enough.
Doctors, nurses, all spectrums of healthcare providers have varying opinions regarding these new vaccinations and just because you are not yet a nurse has nothing to do with your perspective.
Nurses have a history of belittling, judging others who don’t go along with whatever new research is current. Even though research and outcomes continue to evolve as time goes on. For example, CDC said masks don’t work and two weeks later said they did. Some hospitals fired workers for wearing masks and forbid it and said they were following CDC guidelines. In the early 1900's people believed that radioactivity was good for you. In the 1500's mercury was used in the treatment of syphilis. The lobotomy was thought to be a cure for mental illness. There was a time when the medical community considered drinking urine or applying it as a poultice an effective treatment for maladies ranging from acne and asthma to migraines and cancer.
Let’s remember our history and how science actually works instead of science shaming people.
“There are surprisingly few proven facts in science. Instead, scientists often talk about how much evidence there is for their theories. The more evidence, the stronger the theory and the more accepted it becomes.
Scientists are usually very careful to accumulate lots of evidence and test their theories thoroughly. But the history of science has some key, if rare, examples of evidence misleading enough to bring a whole scientific community to believe something later considered to be radically false”
Many health care professionals are taking a wait and see approach in hopes of acquiring more evidence data and research. You are not stupid, unscientific or uneducated by default for not jumping to take a new treatment.
I only encourage people to respect others medical treatments and choices. You should treat your patients and your peers with a little respect. Educate, inquire, do not shame or pressure. Very unethical.
***posting statement research link update for those of you who want it
the other research link that I posted did not contain the specific information regarding the shortened period of time of receiving fda approval and the increase to now 1/3 of fda approved medications findings shown later after release to be proven unsafe. The link I posted above is specific for the statement I made in my other post.
And need I remind you the novel mRNA vaccinations for covid 19 are not fda approved they only have emergency authorization use ... as the educational paper you receive clearly tells you when you get the vaccination.
First, I did not ACCUSE anyone of being a communist. My statement was that I believe that THIS COUNTRY, meaning the USA, was not communist yet, and that I was entitled to my opinion, such as there is no law, as of yet,criminalizing FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Please read with understanding. As for how I will do in this second chosen career field. I will do just fine, thank you very much. It's only a step stool to where I plan to take it. I'm not a novice to education. I chose to start at a lpn level on purpose. I already have 2 other degrees, one being a graduate degree in psychology specializing in abnormal behavior.
You are an educated person, so you should know that when you go against mainstream ideas that are supported by scientific evidence, you should provide a source for your claims. When you don't do this and start taking offense to what is being presented to you, and then start making claims of "communism" it hurts your credibility.
Coming on to a nursing forum where many of the users are on the front lines of this pandemic and claiming that we're all hysterical and delusional isn't exactly the best way to go about having your ideas respected.
Take the vaccine, don't take the vaccine, it's your choice. You can believe COVID is a pandemic or that it's no worse than the seasonal flu, again your choice.
But having such a flippant attitude towards people who have been stuffing body bags and filling up funeral homes in record numbers for the past year, yeah not cool.
Coming on to a nursing forum where many of the users are on the front lines of this pandemic and claiming that we're all hysterical and delusional isn't exactly the best way to go
The virus has had a such a devastating and distressing impact and so many people have lost their lives.
I respect people's skepticism about the vaccine. I am curious about something.
Initially I heard people say they wouldn't take it because it hadn't been tested on that many people. Now that 134 million doses have been given, I feel the reason for hesitancy has shifted to wanting to know long term effects. How long do people intend to wait until they feel comfortable about long term effects?
I see one poster wrote that they would wait a year or two. Is there some basis for this amount of time?
Specializes in Hospice, corrections, psychiatry, rehab, LTC.
1 hour ago, nursej22 said:
How long do people intend to wait until they feel comfortable about long term effects?
I see one poster wrote that they would wait a year or two. Is there some basis for this amount of time?
I don't follow the logic. It is completely true that the development time for this vaccine was highly compressed compared to other vaccines. My question to those who criticize this is, how many more body bags would have been stuffed if we had developed nothing for COVID-19 through the normal 3-5 year development period? This was rushed because the stakes are incredibly high. The death toll far exceeds what we would see during an influenza season, it is far more extended and widespread, and the economic impact on world economies has been massive. I am not certain that we will ever completely return to what most of us considered normal.
I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology as well as a Master's Degree, specializing in abnormal behavior. Most of my career life, when I wasn't in the military, was spent working in the Department of Correction as a Social Worker. I've only recent decided to venture into the nursing field, after having taken care of a terminally ill mother. She was an ADN for over 30 years. I feel quite confident that she and many of the nurses that I know will not take this vaccine. One of them being a close childhood friend who is a FNP, specializing in Onocology. As for me, I plan to bridge my way right up to a DNP in psychiatrics. Thank you very much
Almost every nurse I know (and I know lots) HAVE taken this vaccine. Good luck with your education in nursing. Hopefully you're open to learning new things, because you have a whole lot to learn.
I must say for someone with a specialty in abnormal behavior, you misuse the term 'mass hysteria' rather often.
Almost every nurse I know (and I know lots) HAVE taken this vaccine. Good luck with your education in nursing. Hopefully you're open to learning new things, because you have a whole lot to learn.
I must say for someone with a specialty in abnormal behavior, you misuse the term 'mass hysteria' rather often.
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At St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Tehama County, fewer than half of the 700 hospital workers eligible for the vaccine were willing to take the shot when it was first offered. At Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, one in five frontline nurses and doctors have declined the shot. Roughly 20% to 40% of L.A. County’s frontline workers who were offered the vaccine did the same, according to county public health officials.
So many frontline workers in Riverside County have refused the vaccine — an estimated 50% — that hospital and public officials met to strategize how best to distribute the unused doses, Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari said.”
One example of dozens of articles with similar statistics ....
there are significant amounts of doctors and nurses who declined the experimental/emergency vaccination.
Stop shaming people and acting like because they aren’t a nurse that they are stupid. Grateful for those willing to take the experimental/emergency vaccination as it will provide the data for long term effects including fertility, ADE, autoimmune disease etc. but you shouldn’t be expected to take it or considered uneducated or unintelligent. Get over yourself and have some respect for people’s personal medical decisions.
Oh and before anyone has a heart attack that I called the vaccines experimental... that’s what the scientists are calling it too as well as investigational. It is an appropriate choice of words that is only avoided to not spread fear not because it is untrue.
The demand to be vaccinated in our area is so great that phone callers and e-mailers are overwhelming providers and health departments. If y'all won't take a vaccine, send it our way.
Stop shaming people and acting like because they aren’t a nurse that they are stupid. Grateful for those willing to take the experimental/emergency vaccination as it will provide the data for long term effects including fertility, ADE, autoimmune disease etc. but you shouldn’t be expected to take it or considered uneducated or unintelligent. Get over yourself and have some respect for people’s personal medical decisions.
Again, how long will you wait for long-term effects? And what will be your level of evidence to demonstrate those effects? If someone develops RA 10 years from now, does that indicate it was caused by a vaccine? Which vaccine?
Again, how long will you wait for long-term effects? And what will be your level of evidence to demonstrate those effects? If someone develops RA 10 years from now, does that indicate it was caused by a vaccine? Which vaccine?
I’ll wait until studies are out there regarding specifically ADE and fertility effects which will take at least a year to observe and study. Vaccinated people will have a control group, those who are not getting vaccinated.
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Ireland has had over 3,000 deaths from Covid this year. Their yearly flu deaths are max 500. You sound like you've been listening to Ivor Cummins, someone I've liked for his challenge to prevailing cholesterol wisdom, but who has suffered economically in the lockdowns there, and as a result has come out vociferously and IMHO disingenuously against them.
Sorry you experienced an overreaction in the ED. Many times, many people cannot get even cursory attention there.