(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
The United States has never ,in my knowledge and research, acted this quickly to dispense a vaccine that has only been developed in less than a year
The mRNA platform used by Moderna and Pfizer (two manufacturers of the Covid vax) is not new and, according to a Nature article I found online, has been well researched since at least 2008.
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Over the past decade, major technological innovation and research investment have enabled mRNA to become a promising therapeutic tool in the fields of vaccine development and protein replacement therapy. The use of mRNA has several beneficial features over subunit, killed and live attenuated virus, as well as DNA-based vaccines. First, safety: as mRNA is a non-infectious, non-integrating platform, there is no potential risk of infection or insertional mutagenesis.
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mRNA vaccines have elicited potent immunity against infectious disease targets in animal models of influenza virus, Zika virus, rabies virus and others, especially in recent years, using lipid-encapsulated or naked forms of sequence-optimized mRNA
I have read your comments. I particularly don't agree as you don't with me. I could not careless. Not the Whole world is experiencing a PANDEMIC. Places for example, Ireland has done research and published their findings that this virus is on the level as the regular seasonal flu. But of course, the easily hysterical Americans, not all, have done and are doing just what was spectulated to happen. For example, I am an asthmatic. I went to the ER to get a treatment because I had ran out fo my medicine for my nebulizer. Unfortunately, I forgot to have my doctor call in a refill. Anyway, I go to the ER, write down my symptom, as well as state what I needed. The clerk stands up and shouts COVID. I told her that I did not have COVID. Needless to say, I didn't have COVID. I just needed a treatment for my asthma.Thank God, I had a doctor with some common sense! The problem is that COVID has similar symtoms to what I as an asthmatic have experienced for over 25+ years. I'm forever grateful that when I had an asthma attack a few years ago, that COVID wasn't the news of the day, because I would have immediately been diagnosed as a COVID patient and put immediately on a ventilator, and most likely would NOT be ALIVE TODAY! It was bad enough that they thought I was having an heart attack. Also, I have heard some sad stories from nurses who have misgivings about this COVID pandemic. They work with patients who have had symptoms from prior illnesses and are now when then pass, it's attributed to COVID. here has also been Pulmonologists and other medical physicians who have cured patients without a vaccine, BUT of course, They have been silenced. You all can just miss me with your hysterics. Common sense is like a flower that doe NOT grow in every garden.
I have read your comments. I particularly don't agree as you don't with me. I could not careless. Not the Whole world is experiencing a PANDEMIC. Places for example Ireland has done research that shows that this virus is on the level as the regular seasonal flu. But of course, the easily hysterical Americans, not all, have done and are doing just what was spectulated to happen. For example, I am an asthmatic. I went to the ER to get a treatment because I had ran out fo my medicine for my nebulizer. Unfortunately, I forgot to have my doctor call in a refill. Anyway, I go to the ER, write down my symptom, as well as state what I needed. The clerk stands up and shouts COVID. I told her that I did not have COVID. Needless to say, I didn't have COVID. I just needed a treatment for my asthma. The problem is that COVID has similar symtoms to what I as an asthmatic have experienced for over 25+ years. I'm forever grateful that when I had an asthma attack a few years ago, that COVID wasn't the news of the day, because I would have immediately been diagnosed as a COVID patient and put immediately on a ventilator, and most likely would NOT be ALIVE TODAY! It was bad enough that they thought I was having an heart attack. Common sense is like a flower that doe NOT grow in every garden.
You realize that's not how it works right? Only people who need to be on a ventilator are put on a ventilator, regardless of diagnosis.
However, I am starting LPN school and have to take the Flu shot because it's mandatory. I told them that I'm allergic to eggs but I was told that there is A flu vaccine for people with that allergy.
You are embarking on a career in health care that is based on science. Science and medicine explore ways to prevent and treat disease and ways to enhance peoples health. When a scientist makes a statement something is true, that must be backed up with facts.
You have made some statements that do not have the ring of truth in them. For example:
26 minutes ago, Aries22 said:
Places for example, Ireland has done research and published their findings that this virus is on the level as the regular seasonal flu.
The only way your statement would be believable would be if you provided something substantial to back it up. Is there an Irish Covid that is different from any other strain of Covid? Coming into your new role, you will be held accountable for telling the truth and when asked for facts you will need to show your opinion is based on documented facts.
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have to take the Flu shot because it's mandatory. I told them that I'm allergic to eggs but I was told that there is A flu vaccine for people with that allergy.
Health care providers believe that the flu shot is so beneficial that improved formulas with different ingredients were researched and established so that people who were allergic to eggs were able to get a similar vaccination with risking an allergic reaction.
I truly hope with your nursing and applied science courses you will develop a trust in science and its methods. If you don't I am not sure why you want to be in health care. You will be put into a role where a patient asks you for information that is science-based. They are not asking for extreme untrue theories and myths. You will be held accountable for what you say. How would you feel if you told someone Covid vaccinations were worthless and that individual then acquire Covid and died. What role would you have played in that situation?
I obviously don't work with COVID patients. But this is how people who are being controlled by their own hysteria can operate. But, I know of people who work or have worked with "COVID" diagnosed patients. In the beginning of this pandemic, people were being placed ventilators. I also know of a nurse who received a letter, exempting her from having to take the vaccine. I have also seen a hospital worker who took the vaccine and now her face is frozen to one side, and she can't even smile when she wants to. (Bell's Palsy) So that's a serious reaction. My stance is that people should have the right to choose. I wear a face mask daily.(n-95, at work). Pandemic or not, I'm not taking that vaccine. Plain and simple. Common sense grows in my garden.
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Aries:
Your statement about Ireland is inaccurate. https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/c36c85-covid-19-coronavirus/
You are confusing the meaning of recent reports worldwide that seasonal flu incidence is down. This is attributed to the fact that masking and decreased social contact are also going to decrease incidence of any respiratory-borne illnesses.
19 minutes ago, JadedCPN said:
Places for example Ireland has done research that shows that this virus is on the level as the regular seasonal flu. But of course, the easily hysterical Americans, not all, have done and are doing just what was spectulated to happen. For example, I am an asthmatic. I went to the ER to get a treatment because I had ran out fo my medicine for my nebulizer. Unfortunately, I forgot to have my doctor call in a refill. Anyway, I go to the ER, write down my symptom, as well as state what I needed. The clerk stands up and shouts COVID. I told her that I did not have COVID. Needless to say, I didn't have COVID. I just needed a treatment for my asthma. The problem is that COVID has similar symtoms to what I as an asthmatic have experienced for over 25+ years. I'm forever grateful that when I had an asthma attack a few years ago, that COVID wasn't the news of the day, because I would have immediately been diagnosed as a COVID patient and put immediately on a ventilator, and most likely would NOT be ALIVE TODAY! It was bad enough that they thought I was having an heart attack.
It would be standard of practice and essential for anyone presenting c a hx of asthma and new onset of sx to be evaluated immediately for COVID, so nothing shocking there. While asthma exacerbation may resemble early COVID sx, obviously the progression would be different, as would response to tx.
Even if you had had COVID, it’s inaccurate to aver that you would have been intubated, ventilated, and die. AAMOF, even though COVID IS ”the news of the day” that apparently isn’t what happened, is it?
Finally, a bit of advice: take better care if your chronic condition. Don’t “run out” of your medication and then “forget” to renew a prescription. I question whether you have had adequate patient teaching in it...or whether you can teach a patient, for that matter.
I obviously don't work with COVID patients. But this is how people who are being controlled by their own hysteria can operate. But, I know of people who work or have worked with "COVID" diagnosed patients. In the beginning of this pandemic, people were being placed ventilators. I also know of a nurse who received a letter, exempting her from having to take the vaccine. I have also seen a hospital worker who took the vaccine and now her face is frozen to one side, and she can't even smile when she wants to. (Bell's Palsy) So that's a serious reaction. My stance is that people should have the right to choose. I wear a face mask daily.(n-95, at work). Pandemic or not, I'm not taking that vaccine. Plain and simple. Common sense grows in my garden.
In the beginning of the pandemic, we didn’t have as much experience with it, including research on therapeutic approaches. Now we do. Survival is better, but this says nothing about incidence. Likewise knowing one person who “got a letter” of exemption means nothing. Bell’s palsy may or may not have been connected to vaccination; it is very rare and personally, I’d rather have that than COVID.
Your right to choose whether to be a possible infectious agent disperser ends where others’ respiratory trees begin. Leave patient care and stay inside at home if you can’t care enough to do that.
But this is how people who are being controlled by their own hysteria can operate
Hopefully your LNP education will include some courses in psychology and learning theory. Labeling can be a pretty nasty way and ineffectual way to support your opinion. There are many better ways to get your opinion across and help someone change their opinion. I hope this diagram helps.
First, it's not my place to tell a patient not to take the vaccine. My response was geared toward a nurse who did not want to take the vaccine, and felt that her right to choose was being violated. I responded to her post. She was also being bullied because of her decision. At least, she stated that she would look for other employment, which I agreed with. Just like the school I'm going to attend is not bullying students to take the vaccine. More than likely, some of the administration have misgivings as well. Not everyone is on board with taking this vaccine. What I find is just evidence of mass hysteria, which is evidence by the continual comments I am getting like yours and many others. My notification bell is ringing off continually. People are so deluded, that you are not even reading what I have stated in my previous responses, and to whom it was directed to. People are asking me questions about my beliefs. We are still able to have independent thought aren't. This country hasn't turned communist yet has it?
First, it's not my place to tell a patient not to take the vaccine.
With patient teaching, the nurse does state what is beneficial (based on a sound knowledge base) to a patient. Sound knowledge base means it is based on scientific truths and research has shown it to help. You have given us 'anecdotal' statements: a nurse developed Bell's Palsy, for example.
15 minutes ago, Aries22 said:
What I find is just evidence of mass hysteria, which is evidence by the continual comments I am getting like yours and many others.
Actually I am not hysteric and am providing rational statements to indicate I question your opinion
This is not hysteria.
15 minutes ago, Aries22 said:
People are so deluded,
I guess we disagree on which one of us is deluded. Delusion definition is - something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated.
Please do know -- and I am sincere in this, your educational path will be difficult if you continue on not believing that what has been proven by science. If you are thinking you can say something in a clinical position and believe something else in private, you will have a great deal of difficulty enjoying your role as an LPN. Should you choose to voice something that has been proven to be true as 'not true', you will have a difficult time finding/holding a job. The whole health care world is based on trust. I trust what my doctor and nurse say is true. I trust my pharmacist when he tells me to take my medicine at a certain time and not mix certain medicines. I trust someone doing a lab test is doing it correctly. If you show untrustworthy actions or state things that are not true..................
I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology as well as a Master's Degree, specializing in abnormal behavior. Most of my career life, when I wasn't in the military, was spent working in the Department of Correction as a Social Worker. I've only recent decided to venture into the nursing field, after having taken care of a terminally ill mother. She was an ADN for over 30 years. I feel quite confident that she and many of the nurses that I know will not take this vaccine. One of them being a close childhood friend who is a FNP, specializing in Onocology. As for me, I plan to bridge my way right up to a DNP in psychiatrics. Thank you very much
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Hi Jaded CPN
Sorry. ☺️ my error
It gets very confusing.
I misunderstood
I thought NVBurch was quoting Aries