(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Covid numbers are based on a lot of false positives
Nope. False positives aren't really a problem with the PCRs or antigen tests. Very high specificity. Actually, false negatives are. Something like 1 false negative for every 3 or 4 positive tests, last I checked.
10 minutes ago, realmean1 said:
and doctors being encouraged to call everything Covid related.
Again, nope. With the false negatives, especially early on in the pandemic, we've surely missed more cases than we've attributed falsely to covid.
12 minutes ago, realmean1 said:
The media has blown this way out of the water,
Admittedly subjective, but not really. Please read the accounts right here from people who work with this disease. There are thousands of accounts right at your fingertips.
14 minutes ago, realmean1 said:
By the way, feds said at one time, everyone will have "herd immunity" by next May, before the vaccine was pushed
Which feds? This is a forum for healthcare professionals. You get your medical knowledge from what somebody in the federal government said sometime and just stop there? Read more and read better sources, sir.
His study is interesting, but weak without supporting studies.
It's not 'interesting but weak.' It doesn't support the claim you're using it to support. Full stop. Stop appealing to it. If you have compelling evidence, I'm all ears. If not, quit pretending you do.
I disagree. 80% of his patients were vaccinated. The only thing (according to the interview where I listened to him last night) that he did different was to offer the parents "informed consent" as required by Oregon law. Giving them the choice between the CDC schedule and alternative vaccine schedule. His study is interesting, but weak without supporting studies. I would like to see these done with better cohorts perhaps Amish children that don't vaccinate. Also, I believe Finland had a larger cohort study that might provide better insight.
He promoted a delayed vaccination scheduled based on the false claim that the CDC's recommended schedule caused autism. That's the opposite of informed consent.
He promoted a delayed vaccination scheduled based on the false claim that the CDC's recommended schedule caused autism. That's the opposite of informed consent.
He denies ever stating that autism was caused by vaccines. He does raise a concern over aluminum and that the cumulative exposure is too high with the CDC schedule of vaccinations. However, I don't recall him specifying what specific negative aspects of too much aluminum exposure might be.
He is a board certified MD practicing in the Oregon market for over a decade (albeit suspended, but just now).
He denies ever stating that autism was caused by vaccines. He does raise a concern over aluminum and that the cumulative exposure is too high with the CDC schedule of vaccinations. However, I don't recall him specifying what specific negative aspects of too much aluminum exposure might be.
He is a board certified MD practicing in the Oregon market for over a decade (albeit suspended, but just now).
Although even if he hadn't included why he was suggesting patient not follow the CDC recommended vaccine schedule, I don't see how that would support the idea that he was advocating for 'informed' consent.
Even if he was just saying that vaccines put aluminum in kids bodies, that wouldn't be 'informed' if he wasn't qualifying that with the fact that children receive more aluminum through diet, water, and even breathing than they do through vaccines.
Although even if he hadn't included why he was suggesting patient not follow the CDC recommended vaccine schedule, I don't see how that would support the idea that he was advocating for 'informed' consent.
Even if he was just saying that vaccines put aluminum in kids bodies, that wouldn't be 'informed' if he wasn't qualifying that with the fact that children receive more aluminum through diet, water, and even breathing than they do through vaccines.
He says it to sell his books and if you read his “work” you will see that he is literally anti-public health. How he still has a license is beyond me
He says it to sell his books and if you read his “work” you will see that he is literally anti-public health. How he still has a license is beyond me
I haven't read his work except for the one paper and to be technical he does not have a license (well he still has one in Hawaii and Washington according to the interview that I heard, but he only practiced in Oregon). His perspective on informed consent was a duty to inform of both the risks and benefits. He said (in the Coast to Coast interview I heard last night) that he first presents the CDC vaccine schedule and then asks the parents if they have any questions or concern and then and only then does he discuss alternative schedules.
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13 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
I haven't read his work except for the one paper and to be technical he does not have a license (well he still has one in Hawaii and Washington according to the interview that I heard, but he only practiced in Oregon). His perspective on informed consent was a duty to inform of both the risks and benefits. He said (in the Coast to Coast interview I heard last night) that he first presents the CDC vaccine schedule and then asks the parents if they have any questions or concern and then and only then does he discuss alternative schedules.
I'm sorry that you don't realize that it is never acceptable or responsible to share debunked conspiracy nonsense with patients, even if they ask. Did schools drop health care ethics curriculum from nursing programming? What's going on here?
I'm sorry that you don't realize that it is never acceptable or responsible to share debunked conspiracy nonsense with patients, even if they ask. Did schools drop health care ethics curriculum from nursing programming? What's going on here?
No need for adhominem attacks. We should be able to discuss, share and debate without personal attacks. I happened to be number one in both my undergrad BSN program and my graduate school program and yes ethics were covered. I was presenting his perspective as I understood it from an interview that I listened to last night. I find it odd that his "emergency suspension" correlates so closely with his peer reviewed publication In the Journal of Environmental and Public Health https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674/htm . I also disagree that the only data signal is that the kids in the vaccinated groups were more likely to have more visits. The increase in specific diagnoses such as ADHD was significant. Why correlative studies can never prove causation it is reasonable to due larger studies that better control for variables.. No one should face sanction for asking questions and attempting to deal with difficult issues such as deciding whether or not to vaccinate on a particular schedule. There is a reason that parents must sign consent for vaccine and part of that reason is the inherent implication of both risks and benefits.
So this is specific about the Pfizer vaccine, I'm ethically opposed to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line used in testing, but my father told me (he's a doctor) that the Pfizer vaccine did not get testing by the company using the fetal cells but that it was sent to researchers to used the HEK293 in testing and were not Pfizer employees. I think this would change things at least were I would be comfortable recieving this vaccine at least but I'm not sure how to even find that information and he couldn't remember where he saw it. How would I verify this other then asking Pfizer and hoping the public rep actually knows anything?
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Nope. False positives aren't really a problem with the PCRs or antigen tests. Very high specificity. Actually, false negatives are. Something like 1 false negative for every 3 or 4 positive tests, last I checked.
Again, nope. With the false negatives, especially early on in the pandemic, we've surely missed more cases than we've attributed falsely to covid.
Admittedly subjective, but not really. Please read the accounts right here from people who work with this disease. There are thousands of accounts right at your fingertips.
Which feds? This is a forum for healthcare professionals. You get your medical knowledge from what somebody in the federal government said sometime and just stop there? Read more and read better sources, sir.