(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
23 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
No need for adhominem attacks. We should be able to discuss, share and debate without personal attacks. I happened to be number one in both my undergrad BSN program and my graduate school program and yes ethics were covered. I was presenting his perspective as I understood it from an interview that I listened to last night. I find it odd that his "emergency suspension" correlates so closely with his peer reviewed publication In the Journal of Environmental and Public Health https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674/htm . I also disagree that the only data signal is that the kids in the vaccinated groups were more likely to have more visits. The increase in specific diagnoses such as ADHD was significant. Why correlative studies can never prove causation it is reasonable to due larger studies that better control for variables.. No one should face sanction for asking questions and attempting to deal with difficult issues such as deciding whether or not to vaccinate on a particular schedule. There is a reason that parents must sign consent for vaccine and part of that reason is the inherent implication of both risks and benefits.
It's telling that you think this guy deserves to be heard and shouldn't be sanctioned for unprofessional conduct which harmed patients. The dude wasn't giving parents information, he was giving them his opinion and calling it information. What sort of ethics is that?
My last few words on this: My personal choice to get or not get the "vaccine" is my choice. It is not up to anyone else. What gets me on here is that you assume you have a higher IQ and more knowledge than others, if you disagree with them. You assume that we are not well read and that we don't look at all the sources. You are the kind of nurses that get caught up in all the drama and bs, that think that other people can not make decisions for themselves. Enuff said!
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
7 minutes ago, Soloist said:
So this is specific about the Pfizer vaccine, I'm ethically opposed to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line used in testing, but my father told me (he's a doctor) that the Pfizer vaccine did not get testing by the company using the fetal cells but that it was sent to researchers to used the HEK293 in testing and were not Pfizer employees. I think this would change things at least were I would be comfortable recieving this vaccine at least but I'm not sure how to even find that information and he couldn't remember where he saw it. How would I verify this other then asking Pfizer and hoping the public rep actually knows anything?
I expect more from a person with a Masters degree in Nursing.
Hopefully, you expect inquiry, questioning and vigorous debate of important issues rather than blind obedience to a "party line". I am advocate for vaccination and received many dozens in my life and vaccinated my child (against my wife's wishes also a nurse). However, I do believe that this vaccine in particular has both risks and benefits and indeed all vaccines should be viewed in that context (both risks and benefits where the benefits often out weight any risks).
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
7 minutes ago, realmean1 said:
My last few words on this: My personal choice to get or not get the "vaccine" is my choice. It is not up to anyone else. What gets me on here is that you assume you have a higher IQ and more knowledge than others, if you disagree with them. You assume that we are not well read and that we don't look at all the sources. You are the kind of nurses that get caught up in all the drama and bs, that think that other people can not make decisions for themselves. Enuff said!
Nah
People post conspiracy theory or double down on fears and then feel offended when we don't just humor their misinformation. Oh well.
If you don't want people to comment on your reasons to refuse a vaccine don't post them in a discussion forum. Nuff said.
Despite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetorifice vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations. Notice: The Family declined.
It's telling that you think this guy deserves to be heard and shouldn't be sanctioned for unprofessional conduct which harmed patients. The dude wasn't giving parents information, he was giving them his opinion and calling it information. What sort of ethics is that?
I don't know if he should be sanctioned as I am not party to both sides of the argument. Of course he deserves to be heard. In the United States all perspectives should be able to be expressed without fear of sanction. The First Amendment isn't for popular, but for unpopular speech. The best way to counter weak, or counterfactual arguments is by debating them and exposing their shortcomings and by presenting alternative evidence to the contrary. Not by silencing those with whom you disagree.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
Hopefully, you expect inquiry, questioning and vigorous debate of important issues rather than blind obedience to a "party line". I am advocate for vaccination and received many dozens in my life and vaccinated my child (against my wife's wishes also a nurse). However, I do believe that this vaccine in particular has both risks and benefits and indeed all vaccines should be viewed in that context (both risks and benefits where the benefits often out weight any risks).
I thought mRNA vaccines did not use fetal cells and that was one of their advantages.
That's certainly not the first thing that you didn't know about these vaccines.
What "party line"? Are you suggesting that covid vaccine advocacy is a political issue and exercise?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
I don't know if he should be sanctioned as I am not party to both sides of the argument. Of course he deserves to be heard. In the United States all perspectives should be able to be expressed without fear of sanction. The First Amendment isn't for popular, but for unpopular speech. The best way to counter weak, or counterfactual arguments is by debating them and exposing their shortcomings and by presenting alternative evidence to the contrary. Not by silencing those with whom you disagree.
Silencing?
No one is talking about silencing him. You, however, are elevating his quackery.
My last few words on this: My personal choice to get or not get the "vaccine" is my choice. It is not up to anyone else. What gets me on here is that you assume you have a higher IQ and more knowledge than others, if you disagree with them. You assume that we are not well read and that we don't look at all the sources. You are the kind of nurses that get caught up in all the drama and bs, that think that other people can not make decisions for themselves. Enuff said!
It doesn’t matter if you think I am a B. What matters are the facts. You are high risk. Scientists have worked day and night for months, For people just like you, for a vaccine - - so you don’t die a horrible death, or live for years with a poor quality of life as a “long hauler.”
Don’t “throw the baby out with the bath water” because of what the military did to you decades ago.
I’m not saying these things for the “drama.” I used to do adult ICU nursing, hospice nursing, cardiac, pediatrics. I’m now doing Neonatal. I have also been very, very sick myself.
I understand more than you think because of my training, research and my personal experience, but don’t refuse a vaccine just because I piss you off. Help is available and it’s the vaccine.
But the use of historic cell lines like HEK 293 is fundamentally different. Because these cell lines are immortal, their continued use does not lead to a demand for more fetal tissue.
This is fundamentally wrong. Look into the Hayflick limit.
Hela cells are immortal but fetal cell lines are not.
Moderna used the fetal cell line to develop the spike protein. Pfizer used an adult cell line. Neither used the cells in production but both tested it with fetal cell lines.
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It's telling that you think this guy deserves to be heard and shouldn't be sanctioned for unprofessional conduct which harmed patients. The dude wasn't giving parents information, he was giving them his opinion and calling it information. What sort of ethics is that?