(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
No one is talking about silencing him. You, however, are elevating his quackery.
How is linking an article in a well respected peer reviewed journal elevating his "quackery". He practices alternative medicine. Many people come to me because they don't want to start with the "standard protocols" of SSRI's for their depression and instead wish to explore CAM approaches. In the same way many patients probably go to his clinic who otherwise might not vaccinate at all (perhaps like we did not for a few years mainly due to my wife's concerns about vaccines). Given that fully 80% of his clients received vaccinations it might very be that he actually increased the vaccination rate in his particular community. I always found it interesting for example at my hospital that the vast majority of MD's I would ask eagerly volunteered that "no way" did they take the influenza vaccine (that we were required to take as RN's) One would have expected the MD's to be the first to vaccinate (it is true that many were of Islamic heritage so their may have been cultural elements that I do not fully appreciate that biased my unscientific sample).
“Hopefully, you expect inquiry, questioning and vigorous debate of important issues rather than blind obedience to a "party line". I am advocate for vaccination and received many dozens in my life and vaccinated my child (against my wife's wishes also a nurse). However, I do believe that this vaccine in particular has both risks and benefits and indeed all vaccines should be viewed in that context (both risks and benefits where the benefits often out weight any risks). “
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4 minutes ago, Soloist said:
This is fundamentally wrong. Look into the Hayflick limit.
Hela cells are immortal but fetal cell lines are not.
Moderna used the fetal cell line to develop the spike protein. Pfizer used an adult cell line. Neither used the cells in production but both tested it with fetal cell lines.
I suspect that the real abortion zealots don't differentiate in that way.
I suspect that the real abortion zealots don't differentiate in that way.
Those of us who believe that abortion is akin to racial genocide and murder might be averse to taking it on that basis. Having said that most who are pro life would consider it as a relative contraindication. I seem to remember the Catholic Church endorsing this vaccine and I doubt they would do that if it used fetal cell lines. You would have to really convince me that fetal cells were used to make me consider that aspect significantly.
Those of us who believe that abortion is akin to racial genocide and murder might be averse to taking it on that basis. Having said that most who are pro life would consider it as a relative contraindication. I seem to remember the Catholic Church endorsing this vaccine and I doubt they would do that if it used fetal cell lines. You would have to really convince me that fetal cells were used to make me consider that aspect significantly.
Data over Moderna's vaccine. It's pretty easy to find the 293 over expressing cells used for testing, finding the info regarding the creation of the spike protein itself is harder, but see the last link regarding HexaPro.
Data over Moderna's vaccine. It's pretty easy to find the 293 over expressing cells used for testing, finding the info regarding the creation of the spike protein itself is harder, but see the last link regarding HexaPro.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
9 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
How is linking an article in a well respected peer reviewed journal elevating his "quackery". He practices alternative medicine. Many people come to me because they don't want to start with the "standard protocols" of SSRI's for their depression and instead wish to explore CAM approaches. In the same way many patients probably go to his clinic who otherwise might not vaccinate at all (perhaps like we did not for a few years mainly due to my wife's concerns about vaccines). Given that fully 80% of his clients received vaccinations it might very be that he actually increased the vaccination rate in his particular community. I always found it interesting for example at my hospital that the vast majority of MD's I would ask eagerly volunteered that "no way" did they take the influenza vaccine (that we were required to take as RN's) One would have expected the MD's to be the first to vaccinate (it is true that many were of Islamic heritage so their may have been cultural elements that I do not fully appreciate that biased my unscientific sample).
Certainly vaccine skeptical parents and patients seek out physicians who will accommodate that. That's why his practice only has a vaccination rate of 80%.
The hospitalists were asked to vaccinate or mask in the 3 acute care hospitals that I worked in. I never had a need to discuss vaccination policy with them, we just accepted the vaccine. I had influenza once. That was one time too many.
Certainly vaccine skeptical parents and patients seek out physicians who will accommodate that. That's why his practice only has a vaccination rate of 80%.
The hospitalists were asked to vaccinate or mask in the 3 acute care hospitals that I worked in. I never had a need to discuss vaccination policy with them, we just accepted the vaccine. I had influenza once. That was one time too many.
I brought it up with almost every MD because I had a bit of "a chip on my shoulder" over the fact that RN's had to take the influenza vaccine and they did not. Therefore, I took it upon myself to at least make them address the question (most did, but a few refused to discuss the matter). It also put them on the defensive a bit and less likely to "assail" me with a plethora of redundant orders since they knew I would be asking them about their vaccination status, reasons ect.
I can also quote random catholic websites. They support their claims with research articles unlike the one you posted. To be fair, this website isn't random to me.
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How is linking an article in a well respected peer reviewed journal elevating his "quackery". He practices alternative medicine. Many people come to me because they don't want to start with the "standard protocols" of SSRI's for their depression and instead wish to explore CAM approaches. In the same way many patients probably go to his clinic who otherwise might not vaccinate at all (perhaps like we did not for a few years mainly due to my wife's concerns about vaccines). Given that fully 80% of his clients received vaccinations it might very be that he actually increased the vaccination rate in his particular community. I always found it interesting for example at my hospital that the vast majority of MD's I would ask eagerly volunteered that "no way" did they take the influenza vaccine (that we were required to take as RN's) One would have expected the MD's to be the first to vaccinate (it is true that many were of Islamic heritage so their may have been cultural elements that I do not fully appreciate that biased my unscientific sample).