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So I am in the 3rd week of my second quarter at ITT-Tech in Phoenix. I am not going to lie, the first quarter nursing class is very boring and dry, but it is picking up a bit in this quarter. In our first quarter (11 weeks) we basically learned the history of nursing, the nursing process, and a brief intro to nursing diagnosis.

In the second quarter we have began doing labs. So far we have done mostly CNA stuff, which is fine.

I am basically just curious if this sounds somewhat similar to other schools. We only go 1 day a week (for nursing), for 4 hours. (we also have other classes like math, anatomy and physiolgy ect ect for a total of 3 classes a quarter, so 3 days a week in all)

I am also more then happy to answer any questions you have about the school.

PS. Just so you know, I am enjoying the program, I am just curious how other schools do things.

Thanks in advance!

Why do people say ITT is "the easy way out?" ITT IS NOT EASY! Believe me!

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Nobody on this thread it stupid. It is not just what you say, but also how you say it. Take into consideration your condescending attitude. It comes through in your posts and it is as if you are trying to put people down instead of just informing the masses. Obviously you do not see it, but we have read it. Reread your post back to your self.

I'm sorry you feel that I've been condescending, I don't see that in my posts, and I don't see myself as better than anyone else...not sure where you're getting that vibe from. My only point is these schools have a reputation nationally for swindling students (again, this is not something I've made up...there are ongoing investigations about this and stories in national new sources).

CC's DO MAKE MONEY!!! They just are not in the business of doing it all for the money. Do you really understand non-profits? Please read up on the subject before you give advice. What you are saying is incorrect. How do CC's cover the cost for a new library or a new parking garage?? :idea: Get a clue, they have made their money FROM STUDENTS to do so. All businesses that are successful are money makers including the CC's.

As many others have pointed out, this just isn't so. CC's lose money on each student with residency status. New libraries and such are paid for with government funds or tax levy's.

Funny, ITT is seeking accreditation from the NLNAC. Although transferring credits can be difficult, it can be done. My credits transfered to WGU and I am seeking a higher degree. BTW, WGU is a non-profit that is regionally, nationally, and CCNE accredited. It is very affordable too. Regionally accredited higher education institutions are predominantly non-profit institutions, but not always. Nationally accredited schools are predominantly for-profit and offer vocational, career or technical programs. Every college has the right to set standards and refuse to accept transfer credits no matter what the previous school is or what accreditation that school has.

How does this contradict what I said, which is that credits from ITT will limit the choices for continuing education. It's great that accepts ITT Tech's credits....I didn't say they wouldn't.

Seriously, you do not go to ITT and what are you talking about? ITT is nationally accredited and seeking NLNAC which will allow credits to transfer on a more broad spectrum. You make no sense saying they are not locally accredited. Each and every single ITT Nursing program is accredited (even if it is initial accreditation) by each state BON they are located in or they would not be allowed to accept students into their programs. What are you even talking about?? So they are new, that means they must be bad?

As I said, they're accredited by the local BON...but the school is not regionally accredited as most non-profit schools are. I'm not sure what is unclear about that statement or what my lack of attendance at ITT Tech has to do with it.

The problem with this statement, as with many of your statements is that they are MOSTLY your opinions that I do not believe was at all solicited on this particular thread. I could have sworn that this thread was aimed at those attending ITT, which of course you do not. So what if ITT was investigated in the past!!! It was not the current School of Nursing that was investigated. And no charges were filed. In June 2005 the criminal investigation led by the Department of Justice was dropped after it found no wrongdoing by the company (ITT) or its executive team. ITT Educational cooperated with the investigation, releasing more than one million documents to investigators. NOW, that is a FACT!!!! Not my opinion. I am not making this up either. I am going to give my opinion though. People need to do their research and decide what they can and are willing to do for themselves. I did that, went to ITT and I am now a RN in my state making decent money. Of course this may not work out for everybody else, but tell me what exactly does work for every single person? Not even a CC works for everybody.

Just my 2 cents and yes I attended ITT for my RN.

Actually, I haven't said many opinions...I've stated facts about for-profit schools. The same facts that have caused various for-profit schools to be investigated.

I'm glad that ITT Tech worked for you...that's fantastic. I know of folks who have been burned by for-profit schools. I agree with you, I think everyone should do their own research.

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Specializes in Mother Baby.
I have yet to meet a person that is able to get all of the prereqs done in just one year.

I just wanted to say that I finished all of my prereqs in 11 months at my CC.

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I just wanted to say that I finished all of my prereqs in 11 months at my CC.
So did I .....:twocents: BTW I attend a BSN program in MD at a state university.
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Specializes in Mother Baby.
So did I .....:twocents: BTW I attend a BSN program in MD at a state university.

Awesome! We are proof positive that prereqs can be completed in one year. Internet high five!!!:)

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Awesome! We are proof positive that prereqs can be completed in one year. Internet high five!!!:)
Back at you!!! :yeah:
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Specializes in Geriatrics.

You don't need your credits to transfer from ITT Tech if you have your RN. Any college that has an RN to BSN program, and non profit schools have these, will take your RN regardless of where your credits come from. From there you can get your Master's at ANY school. It is fun to watch people argue a point that is not even a point. A RN is a RN regardless of how you got there. I make over 3 figures a year, and with an ITT Tech degree. Wow, this system is broke.

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Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
You don't need your credits to transfer from ITT Tech if you have your RN. Any college that has an RN to BSN program, and non profit schools have these, will take your RN regardless of where your credits come from. From there you can get your Master's at ANY school. It is fun to watch people argue a point that is not even a point. A RN is a RN regardless of how you got there. I make over 3 figures a year, and with an ITT Tech degree. Wow, this system is broke.

Well in all fairness, my kids make over 3 figures a year in birthday money :p:p not a great selling point for ITT. ( hoping it was just a typo)

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Specializes in Cardiac.
You don't need your credits to transfer from ITT Tech if you have your RN. Any college that has an RN to BSN program, and non profit schools have these, will take your RN regardless of where your credits come from. From there you can get your Master's at ANY school. It is fun to watch people argue a point that is not even a point. A RN is a RN regardless of how you got there. I make over 3 figures a year, and with an ITT Tech degree. Wow, this system is broke.

This is not correct. An RN from any institution can be used to fulfill that portion of the entry requirement for RN-to-X programs, but because none of the other credits will transfer you are forced to retake them.

Yes, you can get your masters at any school but you will be retaking Chemistry, A&P, Micro, Math, Psychology, etc. Contrast this when an ADN from a community college and you will (likely) be able to transfer most of those credits and jump into upper division coursework instead of spending time retaking classes.

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Yup, that is correct. If you take the RN program with Chem, A&P, etc at many of the 'for profit' colleges, those 'pre req'/'co req' classes are not accepted.

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Specializes in Home Care, FP, LTC.
Not really. Each and every addition student causes the school to lose more money. The increase of students and decrease of funding is causing a nightmare at the CC's nationwide. CC's break even with an out of state student but lose money on the rest of us.

And anon nailed it.

Again I must say that people really have no clue as to how a non-profit works. A "for-profit" corporation is owned by its stockholders and must distribute its profits to the stockholders in the form of dividends annually. A "non-profit" corporation must distribute its excess funds in the form of salaries to its members annually. There are different classes of "non-profits" determined by their intent. For example charitable organizations vs. private country clubs. Both are non-profit organizations, but have vastly different functions. Whether a corporation is a profit or a non-profit for tax purposes, they both make money, The excess monies are handled and taxed differently.

Below is an article Executive Pay at Non-Profit Colleges in the Spotlight below.

http://higheredwatch.newamerica.net/blogposts/2010/guest_post_executive_compensation_at_non_profit_colleges_in_the_spotlight-35456

"Colleges and Universities make a ton of money, through donations, tuition and investments, but that does no alter their tax status. In July, The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that the trustees of Nashville's broke new records in 2008 by paying ten of its top executives million-dollar-plus salaries and deferred compensation. Not long afterwards, Bloomberg News and the New York Times ran extended features on the corporate board memberships and hefty second paychecks of the presidents of Ohio State University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and Brown University, among others. Taken together, the stories show that 21st century university leadership, even within the non-profit sector, can be quite lucrative. THEY ARE MAKING MONEY.

Indeed, seven-figure compensation deals, once rare, are increasingly common at universities. The presidents of Yale, the University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, NYU, Johns Hopkins, Rensselaer, and Vanderbilt all get million-dollar-plus packages.

In fact, Vanderbilt's Nicholas Zeppos ($2,407,588) isn't even the top earner at his shop. The Chronicle reported that the university's vice chancellor for health affairs took home about five million dollars during his last year of employment. The university's general counsel earned almost three million. All told, the provost, the head coach of the men's basketball team, the head football coach, the chief financial officer, and some medical school functionaries each earned more than one million dollars.

At Vanderbilt, the school's leaders can thank former chancellor, E. Gordon Gee, for their lavish paydays.

Gee, currently on a second go-round as the president of Ohio State University, has been the Johnny Appleseed of million dollar university compensation. In a long and peripatetic career, Gee has pumped up the price tag on leadership almost everywhere he's worked. Today, he's the top earning public university president, taking in somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million per year.

Higher education is a different part of the economy than soy beans, financial products or electronics; central to it are elements of idealism and service. Why should a university president make more than the President of the United States? And come to think of it, those big executive salaries haven't proven to be such a grand idea in the corporate world. They've frequently attracted executives more focused on their own bonuses than on the long term interests of the company they were supposed to be leading."

1) Non-profit does have income and loss.

2) Non-profits have three different asset types: unrestricted, temporary restricted, and permanently restricted.

3) Non-profit accounting focuses on how you spend money versus how you make money.

Also Read For-Profit vs. Nonprofit Colleges: What's the Difference?

http://www.distance-education.org/Articles/For-Profit-vs--Nonprofit-Colleges--What-s-the-Difference--241.html

There is nothing inherently "wrong" with for profit colleges compared to public or non-profit private colleges.

"Nonprofit colleges can be more expensive for students than for-profit schools. Nonprofit private schools often have higher costs; they offer all the expensive fringe benefits of a traditional college, such as room and board, study-abroad programs, sports and extracurriculars. They rely on tuition as well as grants to run, so they can put a heavy tuition burden on students. For-profit schools also charge tuition, of course--but as they usually have lower costs and offer a much more "no-frills" education, they tend to cost less.

Overall, for-profit colleges have a controversial history. There have been scandals even in the recent past that have caused regulators to take a closer look at the industry--the Department of Education testified in 2005 that almost three-fourths of the agency's fraud cases have involved for-profit schools, according to one article in Slate Magazine. However, there are quite a few legitimate for-profit colleges that provide a great education, and the schools do fill a need as leaders in offering accelerated degree programs, flexible scheduling, online degrees and other programs geared specifically toward working students.

As to whether for-profit colleges are right for you, it depends. Choose a school with regional accreditation--or national accreditation for the department or degree program you're studying in. Be sure the school offers qualified instructors with job experience or advanced degrees. And research the acceptance rate of for-profit degrees among employers in your industry. If you do your research, you're likely to make a better college admissions decision--whether you choose a nonprofit or for-profit school."

Nobody is arguing that there are bad schools out there. Those schools are not all for-profit. I learned what I needed to know at ITT Tech (A For-profit) and I am not worried about my future as I am not only continuing my education I am also working and gaining wonderful experience that will help me in my future endeavors. Education period is expensive no matter where one attends be it non-profit or for-profit. I am working and very able to pay back my student loans. ITT is seeking NLNAC as I type, so not worried there either. I truly do not care that some people don't like the school I graduated from because of previous unfounded allegations. My education was stellar and when my school is judged by the actual nursing academics, then and only then will I care what critics have to say. I have a job and plan on continuing to work. Several of my classmates moved to FL, GA, KY, and TX and all are working. Again, everybody has to make an informed decision for themselves, but learn the facts the real facts about ITT before you decide what is your best course of action.

I can only speak for the schools that I attended or had personal dealings with. The other for-profits I can not speak on. Sorry to hear so many have gotten the short end of the stick with for-profits, but I can't say anything bad concerning my school out side of the cost, which I was obviously willing to pay.

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There is just no getting thru to you is there.

No community college anywhere in America makes money. Not one penny of profit. These schools are huge money pits for the state and the county they are in.

They break even only after massive infusions of state and county aid.

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