So I am in the 3rd week of my second quarter at ITT-Tech in Phoenix. I am not going to lie, the first quarter nursing class is very boring and dry, but it is picking up a bit in this quarter. In our first quarter (11 weeks) we basically learned the history of nursing, the nursing process, and a brief intro to nursing diagnosis.
In the second quarter we have began doing labs. So far we have done mostly CNA stuff, which is fine.
I am basically just curious if this sounds somewhat similar to other schools. We only go 1 day a week (for nursing), for 4 hours. (we also have other classes like math, anatomy and physiolgy ect ect for a total of 3 classes a quarter, so 3 days a week in all)
I am also more then happy to answer any questions you have about the school.
PS. Just so you know, I am enjoying the program, I am just curious how other schools do things.
I hope to not bump heads with anyone. I do not go to a "for profit" school. I think that the people who are against for profit schools are just trying to advise to save someone not necessarily the op but someone who maybe pursuing the forum a little time, money and undue anguish. Personally i live in MD and the hospitals here are phasing out ADN nurses for BSNs and the nurses who currently ADN are given a time frame to achieve their BSn in order to keep their job and no for profit schools are accredited in MD at least not RN(they have MA & CNA that can get licensed). So the for profit grads would be at a disadvantage. Those credits are nontransferable at all schools here so it would be like starting from scratch even if you were to do the RN to BSN because you would have to take everything as if you were a freshman. Again I am not trying to step on any toes I just happen to see what they are trying to say.
We hear you. Did you know there are currently NO ITT nursing programs in MD right now. But I understand your concern for people pursing their education. Not all for-profits are bad. I was actually a LPN for 7 years before pursing my ASN. I am a ITT RN grad currently seeking my BSN and I did not have to repeat my classes. Understandably some BSN programs may require this, my did not. Lets love thy fellow nurse. Most of us are pretty smart cookies and can figure what is the best path for ourselves.
First off, I am glad you were not in my school! Please do not try claiming ITT is not accredited? FACT! In my state ITT is accredited by Indiana State Board of Nursing and is in the process of NLNAC accreditation. Also my credits just transfered to a regionally and nationally accredited BSN program. So do I care what you think? No I don't. Also UoP does not have a good reputation based on what other people have said. I don't have experience in their nursing program to discuss that program. From personal experiences with UoP recruiting, I found them too pushy and too eager to enroll me, I likened it to borderline harassment. Just a FYI, I spoke with a local hiring manager that told me he would not consider graduates of UoP. So if you want to go there (UoP), THEN PLEASE DO and get off of the "I go to ITT board." Based on your name I am going to assume you are not in nursing, maybe not even a student. Are you an employee of UoP? Did you sign up just to discourage prospective ITT students?
Well you can keep on secretly laughing at ITT grads as we laugh our way to the bank. :lol2:Yeah that's right I am a RN, are you???
We hear you. Did you know there are currently NO ITT nursing programs in MD right now. But I understand your concern for people pursing their education. Not all for-profits are bad. I was actually a LPN for 7 years before pursing my ASN. I am a ITT RN grad currently seeking my BSN and I did not have to repeat my classes. Understandably some BSN programs may require this, my did not. Lets love thy fellow nurse. Most of us are pretty smart cookies and can figure what is the best path for ourselves.
I think you're significantly downplaying the disadvantages to your school.
ITT-Tech has a stigma associated it with it that is at least on the level of University of Phoenix. I'm not saying reputation is everything but you cannot discount UoP and not discount ITT-Tech. There are definitely managers that will not hire grads from ITT-Tech.
ITT-Tech credits will not transfer to the vast majority of universities. People that go to ITT-Tech will significantly limit their future prospects and close a lot of doors in the process. You found a University that will accept your credits, great, but out of the thousands of Universities in the United States, it says something when most think the ITT-Tech credits no good.
For most people there is absolutely zero reason to ever attend a private for profit school. The disadvantages are numerous and only if there is literally no other option should one of these schools be considered. These schools do fill a gap in that they cater to non-trads and provide flexibility so if the choice is ITT-Tech or nothing then the choice is not too bad. But if you have the ability to go almost anywhere else then it's probably advisable to do so.
I think you're significantly downplaying the disadvantages to your school.
Maybe in your opinion, but I like to see it as this is the route I took and it can be done. Instead of seeing it as a glass half full you are seeing it as a glass half empty. It is a matter of each individual's opinion.
ITT-Tech has a stigma associated it with it that is at least on the level of University of Phoenix. I'm not saying reputation is everything but you cannot discount UoP and not ITT.
Actually I can because I have experienced ITT. I just simply stated what a local hospital hiring manager told me concerning not hiring grads from UoP. Those were his words not mine. I am well aware that some places will not hire me. I am OK with that. I knew with my school being new there would be certain employers that would be closed minded at least until the school and grads proved themselves. Most of whom really are only concerned with the actual accreditation, which we will have soon, than because of any reputation or stigma. I have myself gained confidence in my school and I already had confidence in my personal abilities as a nurse. Every new school will have obstacles, in my opinion it does not mean the school is not worth it to the ones willing to go there.
ITT-Tech credits will not transfer to the vast majority of universities. People that go to ITT-Tech will significantly limit their future prospects and close a lot of doors in the process. You found a University that will accept your credits, great, but out of the thousands of Universities in the United States, it says something when most think the ITT-Tech credits no good.
Again, I believe that too will change with time given the accreditations the school is seeking. So for some this maybe a deterrent, but not all. Also not all RN's want an education beyond their ASN. I did want to further my education and I have made it work and others can too. FYI, there are many schools that accept the credits. Just the fact that you are a licensed RN will get you into MANY RN to BSN programs. SO you are downplaying the actual possibilities of what one can do with a ITT degree. I am living it. Schools that ITT grads can go to are plentiful. Some of my classmates are attending Purdue Calumet, WGU, and Indiana Wesleyan just to name a few. All of which are good schools with good reputations and the right accreditations. So stop downplaying where an ITT ASN degree can lead too. I choose to uplift those that make the choice that I did.
For most people there is absolutely zero reason to ever attend a private for profit school. The disadvantages are numerous and only if there is literally no other option should one of these schools be considered. These schools do fill a gap in that they cater to non-trads and provide flexibility so if the choice is ITT-Tech or nothing then the choice is not too bad. But if you have the ability to go almost anywhere else then it's probably advisable to do so.
And for those that it works for, then let it work for them.
Maybe in your opinion, but I like to see it as this is the route I took and it can be done. Instead of seeing it as a glass half full you are seeing it as a glass half empty. It is a matter of each individual's opinion.
I think overall I was able to keep my post pretty objective. I'm not saying ITT-Tech is not a good school, and I'm not saying in the future they don't have the potential to be a great school, but *any* new school is going to provide additional hurdles for quite a while. Not that the hurdles are insurmountable, but why run 100M hurdles against people running the 100M unless you have to?
Again, I believe that too will change with time given the accreditations the school is seeking. So for some this maybe a deterrent, but not all. Also not all RN's want an education beyond their ASN.
It may change, but it may not, there are still tons of other schools that don't have these obstacles to overcome. Once again, I'm not saying anything bad about your school but merely pointing out that for most people the other options are going to be better.
A degree from ITT-Tech is more appropriate for someone that wants to stop at their associates. If they intend to move on then it's really not possible to objectively recommend the school in that situation.
I did want to further my education and I have made it work and others can too. FYI, there are many schools that accept the credits. Just the fact that you are a licensed RN will get you into MANY RN to BSN programs. SO you are downplaying the actual possibilities of what one can do with a ITT degree. I am living it. Schools that ITT grads can go to are plentiful. Some of my classmates are attending Purdue Calumet, WGU, and Indiana Wesleyan just to name a few. All of which are good schools with good reputations and the right accreditations. So stop downplaying where an ITT ASN degree can lead too. I choose to uplift those that make the choice that I did.
And for those that it works for, then let it work for them.
I'm happy that you're making it work, I really am, and I realize that it is possible to further your education from an ITT-Tech degree. So yes there are possibilities, but there are more if you go to practically any other school.
Once again I'm not saying your school is bad or it is not possible to do good things from it and I think it is great that you're making the best of your situation and encouraging others to do the same. Except others that may have not yet committed themselves to ITT-Tech will read this thread and they need to know that choosing to go there will close many doors and they must be willing to accept that.
national league for nursing accrediting commission visit and public meeting
the associate for science degree program in nursing ("program") offered by the itt technical institute in indianapolis, indiana, will undergo a comprehensive on-site evaluation for initial accreditation of the program by the national league for nursing accrediting commission, inc. ("nlnac") on february 22-24, 2011.
the nursing program at the itt technical institute in indianapolis has been granted candidate status with the nlnac for the period of fall 2009 to spring 2011.
candidacy is not hard to get... may for-profits are constantly in candidacy. there is one school in my area that comes to mind that is now in their third cycle of candidacy (6th year of candidacy) so they can keep telling their students "nln accreditation is just around the corner!" however, anyone who attended during the two year cycle is then screwed because retroactive recognition of attending an accredited program only applies to approval from the most recent candidacy cycle.
btw, if you read the fine print, many non-profit rn->bsn programs will not accept you if your rn program was non nln. pretty much all the public universities want you to have come from an nln accredited schoool to get into the rn->bsn program. so, not only do your prereqs not count for your bsn, neither will your nursing classes! then you'd be left with going to university of phoenix.
the mind boggles as to why someone would look down on university of phoenix while praising itt.
whoever said that itt is an extremely limiting choice if you ever want to go beyond your associates was quite right.
itt indianapolis is just playing the perpetual candidacy game. they will be denied nln accredidation.
First off, I am glad you were not in my school! Please do not try claiming ITT is not accredited? FACT! In my state ITT is accredited by Indiana State Board of Nursing and is in the process of NLNAC accreditation. Also my credits just transfered to a regionally and nationally accredited BSN program. So do I care what you think? No I don't. Also UoP does not have a good reputation based on what other people have said. I don't have experience in their nursing program to discuss that program. From personal experiences with UoP recruiting, I found them too pushy and too eager to enroll me, I likened it to borderline harassment. Just a FYI, I spoke with a local hiring manager that told me he would not consider graduates of UoP. So if you want to go there (UoP), THEN PLEASE DO and get off of the "I go to ITT board." Based on your name I am going to assume you are not in nursing, maybe not even a student. Are you an employee of UoP? Did you sign up just to discourage prospective ITT students?
Well you can keep on secretly laughing at ITT grads as we laugh our way to the bank. :lol2:Yeah that's right I am a RN, are you???
No ITT Tech institution, to my knowledge, is regionally accredited. Your state's Board of Nurses might recognize it, but the vast majority of public/private institutions out there will never recognize your classes.
I have no affiliation with UoP, but if hell froze over and left only ITT Tech or UoP, I would choose UoP.
If there is an institution out there that accepted your credits, and it is " regionally and nationally accredited," I would double check the institution. There are dozens of accrediting agencies, it must be approved by the Commission of Colleges to count.
I have known people who have gone to UoP and AIU for their Masters programs, it was expensive. Most of them regret it.
It is your choice, but know this...
ITT Tech has the reputation of being a $60000 paper mill, turning out inflated pieces of papers with names on them. Their nursing graduates are RN's, but to other schools and potential employers it has a stigma attached to it, and not a good one...
I read the post. You're using an article that discusses wealthy, prestigious schools as evidence that community colleges "make" money.
So are you saying community colleges are not prestigious? I simply am discussing non-profits in general. Many are making a profit.
In fact, as multiple posters have pointed out to you....community colleges run at a a loss. None of the articles you have shown have spoken to this at all.
Sorry, I do not take what just any ol body says as a fact. No one has provided any proof to me that those people work for a non-profit community college or at least have a clear understanding of how a non-profit CC is run before I believe what they say when through my own research I have found otherwise. I know that not all community colleges run at a loss. That is simply not true.
Since when does making money not equal a profit?? I did not say they have all of this extra money. I said they make money which they do, hence a profit. They are limited on how they can market but they are in business to make money. Then those community colleges use that profit (MONEY MADE or GIVEN TO THEM) to fund things like scholarships, higher salaries for employees, and parking lots. Is this something that is too hard to understand? A profit is still a profit even at a CC. They just spend it differently for tax purposes than a for-profit does. My whole point was to stop the nonsense that ITT, because it is a for-profit, that it is a bad school. You have made many posts stating this and that about for-profits. You said it bothered you that for-profits have a different agenda than non-profits, but do not mistake that non-profits aren't trying to make a profit. They need to fund those scholarships, the new buildings, and employee salaries. Although CC's are getting less donations and in many states less funding, they still do have money. If they were always in the red then they could not function. They would fail to retain staff, their utilities would be shut off, and they could not offer scholarships. I am not saying nor would I ever say community colleges or state funded schools are bad. The past several years community colleges have been bursting at the seems with more and more people seeking a higher education. Which unfortunately has caused many people to be on waiting list just to even get in programs that are currently full. For-profits offer an alternate option. There are good and bad with everything in life including which school you decide to further your education. Some for-profits are bad, some are actually good programs. Based on my experience with the school I believe ITT is a good program. All community colleges aren't great, just like all for-profit schools are not bad. I happen to have a particular interest in ITT because I graduated from there and I can help those considering that option. You appear to want to bash all for-profit schools because some for-profit schools are or have been misleading and or their credits may not transfer. FYI, ITT fully discloses that their credits may not transfer to other schools. I was not mislead on the cost or anything else by the school and still choose this option. I paid for the convenience of not having to wait forever to get into the local CC nursing program.
This is a public forum and we all have the right to have our say. I do ask that you not knock a school that you don't go to and sounds like you do not know much about other than they are a for-profit. Please continue to inform people of their choices but do not dispute that a school like ITT Tech may very well a good viable option for many. I am grateful that my state is not in such as bad of a predicument as California. Please read the article below. So some 400,000 student turned away from CC's. I am sure some of those students are seeking a degree in nursing. How long, how many years should those potential nurses wait in line to go to a community college? Or better yet, do you feel they should not utilize other options? Time is money for most of us and everyone may not have the option of a CC.
California Community Colleges May Have To Shut Out 400,000 Students
I bolded the one sentence you said that I agree with. This is a public board, and all may have their say (as long as it complies with the TOS).....with that in mind, I will continue to have my say and I'm sure you will continue to have yours.
Of course non-profits accept funds (tuitions, ect) BUT...as has been mentioned ad nauseum at this point, that does not mean they are making a profit. I've worked for most of my adult life (over twenty years) in the non-profit sector....I promise, I have a full and complete understanding of how non-profits work.
To answer your first question, of course community colleges aren't prestigious in the same sense that Harvard and Brown are. What is the point in even asking that question?
No matter how unreal you find it, most CC's do run in on the border between red and black. But, as they provide a service to the community, they are supported by the county, state and federal governments. Because of this, their ultimate goal is to provide education for the community. This is true whether you believe it or not.
ITT as a for profit organization has as it's primary motive to increase revenues for their shareholders.
I know you don't like this reality, but it is reality.
I'll say again, I'm glad this worked out for you. That doesn't mean that others will share your experience.
So are you saying community colleges are not prestigious? I simply am discussing non-profits in general. Many are making a profit.
Sorry, I do not take what just any ol body says as a fact. No one has provided any proof to me that those people work for a non-profit community college or at least have a clear understanding of how a non-profit CC is run before I believe what they say when through my own research I have found otherwise. I know that not all community colleges run at a loss. That is simply not true.
Since when does making money not equal a profit?? I did not say they have all of this extra money. I said they make money which they do, hence a profit. They are limited on how they can market but they are in business to make money. Then those community colleges use that profit (MONEY MADE or GIVEN TO THEM) to fund things like scholarships, higher salaries for employees, and parking lots. Is this something that is too hard to understand? A profit is still a profit even at a CC. They just spend it differently for tax purposes than a for-profit does. My whole point was to stop the nonsense that ITT, because it is a for-profit, that it is a bad school. You have made many posts stating this and that about for-profits. You said it bothered you that for-profits have a different agenda than non-profits, but do not mistake that non-profits aren't trying to make a profit. They need to fund those scholarships, the new buildings, and employee salaries. Although CC's are getting less donations and in many states less funding, they still do have money. If they were always in the red then they could not function. They would fail to retain staff, their utilities would be shut off, and they could not offer scholarships. I am not saying nor would I ever say community colleges or state funded schools are bad. The past several years community colleges have been bursting at the seems with more and more people seeking a higher education. Which unfortunately has caused many people to be on waiting list just to even get in programs that are currently full. For-profits offer an alternate option. There are good and bad with everything in life including which school you decide to further your education. Some for-profits are bad, some are actually good programs. Based on my experience with the school I believe ITT is a good program. All community colleges aren't great, just like all for-profit schools are not bad. I happen to have a particular interest in ITT because I graduated from there and I can help those considering that option. You appear to want to bash all for-profit schools because some for-profit schools are or have been misleading and or their credits may not transfer. FYI, ITT fully discloses that their credits may not transfer to other schools. I was not mislead on the cost or anything else by the school and still choose this option. I paid for the convenience of not having to wait forever to get into the local CC nursing program.
This is a public forum and we all have the right to have our say. I do ask that you not knock a school that you don't go to and sounds like you do not know much about other than they are a for-profit. Please continue to inform people of their choices but do not dispute that a school like ITT Tech may very well a good viable option for many. I am grateful that my state is not in such as bad of a predicument as California. Please read the article below. So some 400,000 student turned away from CC's. I am sure some of those students are seeking a degree in nursing. How long, how many years should those potential nurses wait in line to go to a community college? Or better yet, do you feel they should not utilize other options? Time is money for most of us and everyone may not have the option of a CC.
California Community Colleges May Have To Shut Out 400,000 Students
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We hear you. Did you know there are currently NO ITT nursing programs in MD right now. But I understand your concern for people pursing their education. Not all for-profits are bad. I was actually a LPN for 7 years before pursing my ASN. I am a ITT RN grad currently seeking my BSN and I did not have to repeat my classes. Understandably some BSN programs may require this, my did not. Lets love thy fellow nurse. Most of us are pretty smart cookies and can figure what is the best path for ourselves.