So I am in the 3rd week of my second quarter at ITT-Tech in Phoenix. I am not going to lie, the first quarter nursing class is very boring and dry, but it is picking up a bit in this quarter. In our first quarter (11 weeks) we basically learned the history of nursing, the nursing process, and a brief intro to nursing diagnosis.
In the second quarter we have began doing labs. So far we have done mostly CNA stuff, which is fine.
I am basically just curious if this sounds somewhat similar to other schools. We only go 1 day a week (for nursing), for 4 hours. (we also have other classes like math, anatomy and physiolgy ect ect for a total of 3 classes a quarter, so 3 days a week in all)
I am also more then happy to answer any questions you have about the school.
PS. Just so you know, I am enjoying the program, I am just curious how other schools do things.
I have been reading a lot of these posts lately and I am shocked at how obnoxious some people are! Who cares where you get your education from as long as you are good enough that you pass your nclex. I love the comments about how ITT Tech and other vocational schools are just in it for the money....DUH! That's all anyone is in it for! I went through a vocational school for my MA diploma and would do it again in a heartbeat. It was convenient and as we all know,there is always a convenience fee! But I was taught by some of the brightest and kindest MA's, RN's and Military nurses I have ever met and was able to pass my AAMA cert test with an 87% after being out of school for a year, only getting about 2 hours of sleep the night before and being 9 1/2 months pregnant - all thanks to the quality of the education I received. Don't knock it til you try it!
Yes, most vocational school credits will not transfer, but ITT Tech does have arrangments with local programs that will allow those students that so wish it to pursue their BSN. But all of that is covered in the seminar that you attend prior to applying, so why there seems to be a need for some to toute that point as a negative and say that people don't know what they are getting into is ridiculous.
I especially love those that are saying they paid $6500 for their RN program.....really? Are you only quoting your fees for the credit hours? Did you forget to add in the cost of your prereqs? That's roughly 2 years of gen ed classes. Or how about the cost of your books and your supplies and the uniforms.....forgot about those too? I was going through a CC just this last year, I completed about 1/4 of my prereqs in 2 full time terms and spent about $2500 in all doing it. Had I gone on to complete everything we are looking at a cost of about $5500-$6000/year for about 2 years. Then I would need to apply to the highly competitive program, which you must have at least a 3.5 gpa to even apply, although fat chance of getting in unless you have a 3.9 or 4.0! And this is at a CC.....the college listed the total cost of the program at roughly $42000! Vocational school "tuition" generally covers not only the credit hours, but lab fees, books, uniforms, supplies, etc....it basically covers everything yo will need while in attendance. So, pay a little less at the CC but take about 4 years, at full time to do it (leaving me with no time for my husband or my children or to work or anything), or be taught by the same professionals for a little extra cash and only attend a couple days per week for just over 2 years? Hmmm.....
Also, I have spent a lot of this past year around RN's, hospitals and a variety of Drs thanks to a complicated pregnancy and issues my son has had and I have talked to nearly all of them about this program to get their insight. Guess what? Each and every one of them said to go for it. They all agreed that as long as you can prove you know what you're doing, wherever you learn it is a non-issue.
The only reason it is not nationally accredited is because it is still NEW. They have to go through the same hoops as every other nursing program before them, it's not like any of those just opened their doors and were automatically given their accreditation.
Do you really think that there's the same motivation for profit from a government supported community college and a for profit corporation? A friend from high school works as a "academic advisor" for one of these schools (I won't mention the name, but it's one of the nationwide ones) and he has a weekly and monthly quota of students he has to enroll. He has no academic counseling education or background....what he has is a sales background. This fits, because no matter his title, he's a salesman, not an academic advisor.
I'm not sure which community colleges you're used to, but most require one year of pre-reqs (gen-ed classes)...not two. That being said, most people compare costs of the nursing program, not the prereqs.
ITT Tech may have arrangements with other schools, but they're also often private schools which are expensive. This really limits your options. The problem with ITT's accreditation is that it is only nationally accreditation and not locally accredited the way nonprofit schools are. ITT Tech as a school is not new, and it's the entire school that isn't accredited.
Bottom line is that I'm thrilled that this works for you. My biggest concerns are that these types of schools have a well documented track record of promising the world, collecting the student's fees and then leaving the student hung out to dry. These schools aren't being investigated because they're new, they're being investigated because they have taken advantage of a lot students who were doing nothing but trying to improve their circumstances. I'm sorry you feel that bring that up is obnoxious. I wish you the best in your education and future.
I have been reading a lot of these posts lately and I am shocked at how obnoxious some people are! Who cares where you get your education from as long as you are good enough that you pass your nclex. I love the comments about how ITT Tech and other vocational schools are just in it for the money....DUH! That's all anyone is in it for! I went through a vocational school for my MA diploma and would do it again in a heartbeat. It was convenient and as we all know,there is always a convenience fee! But I was taught by some of the brightest and kindest MA's, RN's and Military nurses I have ever met and was able to pass my AAMA cert test with an 87% after being out of school for a year, only getting about 2 hours of sleep the night before and being 9 1/2 months pregnant - all thanks to the quality of the education I received. Don't knock it til you try it!
Yes, most vocational school credits will not transfer, but ITT Tech does have arrangments with local programs that will allow those students that so wish it to pursue their BSN. But all of that is covered in the seminar that you attend prior to applying, so why there seems to be a need for some to toute that point as a negative and say that people don't know what they are getting into is ridiculous.
I especially love those that are saying they paid $6500 for their RN program.....really? Are you only quoting your fees for the credit hours? Did you forget to add in the cost of your prereqs? That's roughly 2 years of gen ed classes. Or how about the cost of your books and your supplies and the uniforms.....forgot about those too? I was going through a CC just this last year, I completed about 1/4 of my prereqs in 2 full time terms and spent about $2500 in all doing it. Had I gone on to complete everything we are looking at a cost of about $5500-$6000/year for about 2 years. Then I would need to apply to the highly competitive program, which you must have at least a 3.5 gpa to even apply, although fat chance of getting in unless you have a 3.9 or 4.0! And this is at a CC.....the college listed the total cost of the program at roughly $42000! Vocational school "tuition" generally covers not only the credit hours, but lab fees, books, uniforms, supplies, etc....it basically covers everything yo will need while in attendance. So, pay a little less at the CC but take about 4 years, at full time to do it (leaving me with no time for my husband or my children or to work or anything), or be taught by the same professionals for a little extra cash and only attend a couple days per week for just over 2 years? Hmmm.....
Also, I have spent a lot of this past year around RN's, hospitals and a variety of Drs thanks to a complicated pregnancy and issues my son has had and I have talked to nearly all of them about this program to get their insight. Guess what? Each and every one of them said to go for it. They all agreed that as long as you can prove you know what you're doing, wherever you learn it is a non-issue.
The only reason it is not nationally accredited is because it is still NEW. They have to go through the same hoops as every other nursing program before them, it's not like any of those just opened their doors and were automatically given their accreditation.
What I find onoxious is the way in which some people are brow beating a school that has not even had an opportunity to show whether it has what it takes with this nursing program (not the school as a whole, just this program) and basically telling people they are stupid for choosing to go through it. I am not saying this is everyone on here, there are a few facts that I myself was concerned about and have researched thanks to some discussions. The fact of the matter is it does not matter where you get your training, it depends on what you yourself learns! I have already been through one of these programs that so many are putting down, you can't bash an entire community based on a few bad apples. I don't care where the motivation comes from honestly, but do you really feel that any of those CCs would be open if they weren't making money? None of them work for free, whether they get the money from the goverment or they get it from the students why does it matter? Money is money. The "academic advisor" is there to walk the new students through the enrollment process and send them on their way, why would they need a bunch of extra training? I know academic advisors at CCs with no special training as well. A job title often means very little anymore when you compare it to the overall job description, have you seen the plethora of names given to basic customer service employees these days?
I have yet to meet a person that is able to get all of the prereqs done in just one year. Since there are certain prereqs even to many of the prereqs you have to do them in a certain order and classes fill up pretty quickly. When I was going to the CC nearly everyone in my chem, math and psych classes was working on their nursing prereqs, and that is A LOT of people! I saw more than 1 person have to be waitlisted for this class or that which then places you up to a term or more behind schedule. I was not going to have my prereqs completed for at least a year and a half because of class availability. And when you want to have a fair comparison of the cost of a program such as the one at ITT Tech, you really do need to count the cost of the prereqs one would take at the CC since those classes are included in the vocational schools program and therefore tuition. Also, if it is something that is a requirement to even apply to the CC program, why should it not be counted as a cost toward the overall degree? Makes sense that if you have to spend the money to obtain the degree you should count it towards the final costs.
I don't know any CC that offers a BSN, the only schools that do are generally expensive. As long as you pass your nclex, many of the other schools that I have spoken with will take it into consideration. But as I said earlier, that is something they do go over with you before you can even apply for the ITT Tech program. These schools may place ads everywhere and need a certain number of students in order to hold classes but the ones I have worked with (and there have been a few) do not misinform the students. And I know in Oregon that the ITT Tech has its initial approval status with the Board of Nursing. Granted, it is not a full accreditation, but the program has not had a graduating class in order to acquire their full accreditation yet as it is only about a year old. It is a process that all schools have had to go through, including the CC's and the Universities. And in fact, "Each ITT Technical Institute is either authorized or licensed by the state in which it is located and is accredited by or in the process of seeking accreditation from an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. All ITT Technical Institutes (except in some instances the most recently opened institutes) are eligible to participate in the federal student financial aid programs authorized under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended, and as administered by the U.S. Department of Education."
I have not, nor has any of my fellow students, been "promised the world." Yes, some people go in with stars in their eyes and think they will have everything handed to them upon graduation, but it is hard work. I have yet to be, or even meet a person that has been, taken advantage of by these schools. Everyone that is seeking a higher education should also be intelligent enough to realize that getting said education is not a guarantee of employment. I have had nothing but help from my last vocational school. They worked with me, as well as many of my fellow students to help us find work. They are constantly given job leads by employers that know that that particular school does in fact produce very competent students.
I haven't seen anyone call anyone stupid, I'm not sure where you're getting that. I've seen folks share concerns about for-profit schools....but nothing about individuals.
It only matters where you get your education, if folks don't understand what the limitations may be. For-profit schools have a history of glossing over those limitations (so much so that there are federal investigations...I'm not inventing this). CC's don't "make" money. They're nonprofit organizations. Their goal is to cover expenses. ITT Tech is a for profit corporation who's job is to make a profit. Yes, I think those are radically different things.
I'm not talking about accreditation from the state BON, I'm speaking about regional accreditation which most colleges and universities have. It's the lack of this accreditation that makes it difficult to transfer ITT Tech credits. They are nationally accredited which is why they can participate in federal financial aid.
The cost of pre-reqs isn't always included in a votech school. I know of folks who did their pre-reqs somewhere else and just started the program. Are you saying that you have to do pre-reqs at ITT Tech? If not, then there's no reason to not look at just program costs for each school.
It's not possible to "browbeat" a school. It is possible to tell true facts about a school though. Most of the folks who I've seen reply in this thread, who didn't have positive things to say about for-profit schools, have posted facts to make them more known. So that folks who are making decisions have a better chance of getting all the information...just as you said you did from these discussions. Again, I'm sorry you fell that's obnoxious.
As I've said in the past, I'm glad you had a good experience....these schools have a history of not treating students as well as you have been treated.
What I find onoxious is the way in which some people are brow beating a school that has not even had an opportunity to show whether it has what it takes with this nursing program (not the school as a whole, just this program) and basically telling people they are stupid for choosing to go through it. I am not saying this is everyone on here, there are a few facts that I myself was concerned about and have researched thanks to some discussions. The fact of the matter is it does not matter where you get your training, it depends on what you yourself learns! I have already been through one of these programs that so many are putting down, you can't bash an entire community based on a few bad apples. I don't care where the motivation comes from honestly, but do you really feel that any of those CCs would be open if they weren't making money? None of them work for free, whether they get the money from the goverment or they get it from the students why does it matter? Money is money. The "academic advisor" is there to walk the new students through the enrollment process and send them on their way, why would they need a bunch of extra training? I know academic advisors at CCs with no special training as well. A job title often means very little anymore when you compare it to the overall job description, have you seen the plethora of names given to basic customer service employees these days?
I have yet to meet a person that is able to get all of the prereqs done in just one year. Since there are certain prereqs even to many of the prereqs you have to do them in a certain order and classes fill up pretty quickly. When I was going to the CC nearly everyone in my chem, math and psych classes was working on their nursing prereqs, and that is A LOT of people! I saw more than 1 person have to be waitlisted for this class or that which then places you up to a term or more behind schedule. I was not going to have my prereqs completed for at least a year and a half because of class availability. And when you want to have a fair comparison of the cost of a program such as the one at ITT Tech, you really do need to count the cost of the prereqs one would take at the CC since those classes are included in the vocational schools program and therefore tuition. Also, if it is something that is a requirement to even apply to the CC program, why should it not be counted as a cost toward the overall degree? Makes sense that if you have to spend the money to obtain the degree you should count it towards the final costs.
I don't know any CC that offers a BSN, the only schools that do are generally expensive. As long as you pass your nclex, many of the other schools that I have spoken with will take it into consideration. But as I said earlier, that is something they do go over with you before you can even apply for the ITT Tech program. These schools may place ads everywhere and need a certain number of students in order to hold classes but the ones I have worked with (and there have been a few) do not misinform the students. And I know in Oregon that the ITT Tech has its initial approval status with the Board of Nursing. Granted, it is not a full accreditation, but the program has not had a graduating class in order to acquire their full accreditation yet as it is only about a year old. It is a process that all schools have had to go through, including the CC's and the Universities. And in fact, "Each ITT Technical Institute is either authorized or licensed by the state in which it is located and is accredited by or in the process of seeking accreditation from an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. All ITT Technical Institutes (except in some instances the most recently opened institutes) are eligible to participate in the federal student financial aid programs authorized under Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended, and as administered by the U.S. Department of Education."
I have not, nor has any of my fellow students, been "promised the world." Yes, some people go in with stars in their eyes and think they will have everything handed to them upon graduation, but it is hard work. I have yet to be, or even meet a person that has been, taken advantage of by these schools. Everyone that is seeking a higher education should also be intelligent enough to realize that getting said education is not a guarantee of employment. I have had nothing but help from my last vocational school. They worked with me, as well as many of my fellow students to help us find work. They are constantly given job leads by employers that know that that particular school does in fact produce very competent students.
I haven't seen anyone call anyone stupid, I'm not sure where you're getting that. I've seen folks share concerns about for-profit schools....but nothing about individuals.
Nobody on this thread it stupid. It is not just what you say, but also how you say it. Take into consideration your condescending attitude. It comes through in your posts and it is as if you are trying to put people down instead of just informing the masses. Obviously you do not see it, but we have read it. Reread your post back to your self.
CC's don't "make" money. They're nonprofit organizations. Their goal is to cover expenses. ITT Tech is a for profit corporation who's job is to make a profit. Yes, I think those are radically different things.
CC's DO MAKE MONEY!!! They just are not in the business of doing it all for the money. Do you really understand non-profits? Please read up on the subject before you give advice. What you are saying is incorrect. How do CC's cover the cost for a new library or a new parking garage?? Get a clue, they have made their money FROM STUDENTS to do so. All businesses that are successful are money makers including the CC's.
I'm not talking about accreditation from the state BON, I'm speaking about regional accreditation which most colleges and universities have. It's the lack of this accreditation that makes it difficult to transfer ITT Tech credits. They are nationally accredited which is why they can participate in federal financial aid.
Funny, ITT is seeking accreditation from the NLNAC. Although transferring credits can be difficult, it can be done. My credits transfered to WGU and I am seeking a higher degree. BTW, WGU is a non-profit that is regionally, nationally, and CCNE accredited. It is very affordable too. Regionally accredited higher education institutions are predominantly non-profit institutions, but not always. Nationally accredited schools are predominantly for-profit and offer vocational, career or technical programs. Every college has the right to set standards and refuse to accept transfer credits no matter what the previous school is or what accreditation that school has.
ITT Tech may have arrangements with other schools, but they're also often private schools which are expensive. This really limits your options. The problem with ITT's accreditation is that it is only nationally accreditation and not locally accredited the way nonprofit schools are. ITT Tech as a school is not new, and it's the entire school that isn't accredited.
Seriously, you do not go to ITT and what are you talking about? ITT is nationally accredited and seeking NLNAC which will allow credits to transfer on a more broad spectrum. You make no sense saying they are not locally accredited. Each and every single ITT Nursing program is accredited (even if it is initial accreditation) by each state BON they are located in or they would not be allowed to accept students into their programs. What are you even talking about?? So they are new, that means they must be bad?
It's not possible to "browbeat" a school. It is possible to tell true facts about a school though.
The problem with this statement, as with many of your statements is that they are MOSTLY your opinions that I do not believe was at all solicited on this particular thread. I could have sworn that this thread was aimed at those attending ITT, which of course you do not. So what if ITT was investigated in the past!!! It was not the current School of Nursing that was investigated. And no charges were filed. In June 2005 the criminal investigation led by the Department of Justice was dropped after it found no wrongdoing by the company (ITT) or its executive team. ITT Educational cooperated with the investigation, releasing more than one million documents to investigators. NOW, that is a FACT!!!! Not my opinion. I am not making this up either. I am going to give my opinion though. People need to do their research and decide what they can and are willing to do for themselves. I did that, went to ITT and I am now a RN in my state making decent money. Of course this may not work out for everybody else, but tell me what exactly does work for every single person? Not even a CC works for everybody.
CC's DO MAKE MONEY!!! They just are not in the business of doing it all for the money. Do you really understand non-profits? Please read up on the subject before you give advice. What you are saying is incorrect. How do CC's cover the cost for a new library or a new parking garage?? Get a clue, they have made their money FROM STUDENTS
CC's lose money, every single one of them. The state or county government pays for that new structure. The state and county also pay for the vast majority of the cost of tuition (easy way to see this cost is to compare instate to out of state tuition).
However CC's are seen as an investment in the future of the state or county and that's why there are subsidized.
I am glad that so many students go to for-profits, it saves the gov't money. Well that used to be my thought process until recently when I noticed the oversaturation of new grads, now I am wary of the huge amount of debt that for-profit private schools convince their students to take on when there may not be jobs for those same grads.
You all are going to do what you are going to do. There is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you, just be sure the juice is worth the squeeze, you can't outrun student debt, and private loans don't fall under the pay for 10/20 and the remainder is forgiven law.
And yes I would caution against the non-profit private schools as well, but there even though the debt is equally high the name on the degree carries some weight.
Good luck to all of you, please continue to keep your grades up and your noses in the books.
CC's lose money, every single one of them. The state or county government pays for that new structure. The state and county also pay for the vast majority of the cost of tuition (easy way to see this cost is to compare instate to out of state tuition). However CC's are seen as an investment in the future of the state or county and that's why there are subsidized.
Agreed some if not many are losing subsidies, hence the rapid increase of tuition cost at community colleges. Not to mention these schools since the recession have seen tremendous increases in their student populations. They are making money.
Oy vey. Community college's take in revenue from student fees but they don't "make money" as in a profit. They are supported by the state government, just like the public schools you attended as a kid. They are not "for profit" any more than your kids' elementary school is.
CC's don't offer BSN because they are two-year schools. Your local branch of your state university system will most likely offer a BSN that you can complete after the ASN at community college (it's about 60 more credits)
Don't be so sure that it doesn't matter where you go to nursing school. If ITT tech has a poor reputation in your area, or even if their reputation isn't BAD but other schools have a better reputation, it will make it hard for you to find a job.
Don't take the easy way out - I know people are always tempted to do that but in the long run it often proves to have been a mistake.
Agreed some if not many are losing subsidies, hence the rapid increase of tuition cost at community colleges. Not to mention these schools since the recession have seen tremendous increases in their student populations. They are making money.
Not really. Each and every addition student causes the school to lose more money. The increase of students and decrease of funding is causing a nightmare at the CC's nationwide. CC's break even with an out of state student but lose money on the rest of us.
Get a clue, they have made their money FROM STUDENTS to do so. All businesses that are successful are money makers including the CC's.
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I have been reading a lot of these posts lately and I am shocked at how obnoxious some people are! Who cares where you get your education from as long as you are good enough that you pass your nclex. I love the comments about how ITT Tech and other vocational schools are just in it for the money....DUH! That's all anyone is in it for! I went through a vocational school for my MA diploma and would do it again in a heartbeat. It was convenient and as we all know,there is always a convenience fee! But I was taught by some of the brightest and kindest MA's, RN's and Military nurses I have ever met and was able to pass my AAMA cert test with an 87% after being out of school for a year, only getting about 2 hours of sleep the night before and being 9 1/2 months pregnant - all thanks to the quality of the education I received. Don't knock it til you try it!
Yes, most vocational school credits will not transfer, but ITT Tech does have arrangments with local programs that will allow those students that so wish it to pursue their BSN. But all of that is covered in the seminar that you attend prior to applying, so why there seems to be a need for some to toute that point as a negative and say that people don't know what they are getting into is ridiculous.
I especially love those that are saying they paid $6500 for their RN program.....really? Are you only quoting your fees for the credit hours? Did you forget to add in the cost of your prereqs? That's roughly 2 years of gen ed classes. Or how about the cost of your books and your supplies and the uniforms.....forgot about those too? I was going through a CC just this last year, I completed about 1/4 of my prereqs in 2 full time terms and spent about $2500 in all doing it. Had I gone on to complete everything we are looking at a cost of about $5500-$6000/year for about 2 years. Then I would need to apply to the highly competitive program, which you must have at least a 3.5 gpa to even apply, although fat chance of getting in unless you have a 3.9 or 4.0! And this is at a CC.....the college listed the total cost of the program at roughly $42000! Vocational school "tuition" generally covers not only the credit hours, but lab fees, books, uniforms, supplies, etc....it basically covers everything yo will need while in attendance. So, pay a little less at the CC but take about 4 years, at full time to do it (leaving me with no time for my husband or my children or to work or anything), or be taught by the same professionals for a little extra cash and only attend a couple days per week for just over 2 years? Hmmm.....
Also, I have spent a lot of this past year around RN's, hospitals and a variety of Drs thanks to a complicated pregnancy and issues my son has had and I have talked to nearly all of them about this program to get their insight. Guess what? Each and every one of them said to go for it. They all agreed that as long as you can prove you know what you're doing, wherever you learn it is a non-issue.
The only reason it is not nationally accredited is because it is still NEW. They have to go through the same hoops as every other nursing program before them, it's not like any of those just opened their doors and were automatically given their accreditation.