How will you optimize your personal mental health if "the other guy" wins the election?

[myoglobin]

Thus, if you support Trump and Biden wins or if you support Biden and Trump wins? What approaches will you consider implementing to minimize your feelings of disappointment, sadness and maximize positive relations with coworkers, patients, and others that you come into contact with? Personally, I plan to focus more "on my own life" but also look for opportunities to become more socially and perhaps politically active in the causes that I believe to be important.  Does anyone have any other "tips" on how to handle these situations for better personal mental health and more harmonious relationships?

[Beerman, BSN]

I definitely have strong ideas on what's best for our country and for certain wanted one side to win.  But I don't get to anxious or worried about it. 

I realized long ago that these "leaders" in DC don't have our best interests in mind, and depending on them for my happiness will only screw myself.

What bothers me more us how they have us citizens going at each others throats.  For the most part, we want the same things, but have different ideas on how to achieve them.

My guy is probably going to lose.  Im still going to have a great day.  Republicans look like they'll keep the Senate, which is at least as important.  I might even take that over Trump winning and Democrats taking the Senate.  Blue tsunami....LOL.

 

 

 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

‘Make liberals cry again’ became the battle hymn of the Republicans under Trump

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To point out that this is juvenile and mean and weird doesn’t get at the half of it. “Make liberals cry again” is the more synergistic, ball-cap-friendly version of “own the libs.” A version of “Make America Great Again” that does away with the gauzy nostalgia and goes right for the bad sportsmanship. It is the version one uses when one wants to drop the pretense that this is about America at all, and just acknowledge that it’s about reveling in someone else’s pain and perceived humiliation.
“Cry” is the most deliberate word in the phrase. It could have been subbed out for “pay.” Make liberals pay again. That phrase would imply that liberals had done something bad, requiring retribution. It could have been subbed out for “lose,” which would be a little gratuitous but still within the technical vocabulary of competition.

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“Make them cry” turns the phrase specifically into a narrative of power. The president and his followers are so very strong and manly that they can make the liberals lose control of their emotions in the most helpless, ineffectual way. The liberals are babies, maybe, or even worse — feminine. To be made to cry is not about losing or paying, it is about humiliating. It is about strong people humiliating the people they see as weak, for the fun of it and because they can.
“Again” is the second most interesting word in the phrase. It turns the sentence into a narrative with some backstory: The strong people (alpha conservatives) made the weak people (weak-kneed libs) cry before, and things were as they should be. With “make,” it’s clear this return to form will happen by force if necessary.
“Make liberals cry again” has nothing to do with the issues that were metaphorically on the ballot this election. It has nothing to do with the coronavirus. It has nothing do with health care. It is not related to lifting restrictions on businesses or lowering taxes or ending abortion or accomplishing any of the other tasks that Trump supporters solemnly told exit pollsters they came to do on Election Day.
It is a successful slogan because it transcends the issues. It does not require a set of coherent policy positions, nor bootstrapping grit, nor pious restraint. Just a strong desire to kick sand in the face of a beaten opponent. The cruelty, as Adam Serwer famously wrote in the Atlantic, is the point.

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“Make liberals cry again” is also the most succinct example of why Trumpism won’t end, even if Trump’s time in office is ended for him. When the goal is not just victory but humiliation, there is no way to tell when the game is over. It’s not necessarily over when the Supreme Court is stacked, it’s not over when Roe v. Wade is overturned. It’s not over when all of Barack Obama’s executive orders have been repealed or when Hillary Clinton goes to jail.
It’s not over, ever, because liberals can always be made to cry more, and longer. Long after Trump’s followers have forgotten why this was the goal, or what they gave up in order to achieve it, they can still make a liberal cry, again and again and again — a medicine for an ailment they will never cure.

Trumpism isn't going to magically go away if Trump losses the presidency.  Our post election self care needs to include that reality.

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

I think one of the more beneficial endeavors is to find worthwhile "thought lines" on both the right and the left.  I am probably more "right of center" at least on economic issues (and some social issues) however when I was in Europe with my son (in 2019) for several months I was able to appreciate many positive aspects of a more socialist approach that at least in part justifies the higher taxes, tiny homes/apartments and expensive food (it tasted better for example, the parks were wonderful and the people seemed to enjoy life a bit more overall especially in Paris and Swiss). In the same way I have worked with BLM protesters and Trump supporters (professionally) and seen positive aspirations in what they aspire towards (police reform for the BLM protesters and less abortion of minority children for example or less reliance on Chinese products in the case of Trump supporters). Both sides have positive elements for our nation. Although, I was against it at the time I am grateful that Obamacare/ AHA brought greater parity to mental healthcare and eliminated preexisting condition issues to a great extent. If Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Scalia could be friends (as it is said they were) two people who almost always supported the more intense elements of their respective political spectrums then why do average people who don't even make these heavy decisions have to be so bitter towards one another.?

[Beerman, BSN]

7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

‘Make liberals cry again’ became the battle hymn of the Republicans under Trump

Trumpism isn't going to magically go away if Trump losses the presidency.  Our post election self care needs to include that reality.

Well, what that article leaves out is that during 8 years of Obama you were a racist if you criticized him in any way.  And, as a conservative, one must hate women, gays, poor, etc.

So, yeah..I can see why some and will admit I did get a bit of satisfaction when I saw liberals cry when Trump was elected.

A lot more to say, but that would getting further off topic.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Well, what that article leaves out is that during 8 years of Obama you were a racist if you criticized him in any way.  And, as a conservative, one must hate women, gays, poor, etc.

So, yeah..I can see why some and will admit I did get a bit of satisfaction when I saw liberals cry when Trump was elected.

A lot more to say, but that would getting further off topic.

Nonsense.

Racists insisted that Obama wasn't even a legitimate president.  You can't get more racist than deciding that the first black president isn't even American enough to hold the office. His wife was likened to an ape.  He was lynched in effigy, reminding everyone how black men were long treated in this country when they got too uppity. 

Clearly, part of the election after care is recognizing that millions of Americans don't have any appreciation for the problem with racism in this country.  Like you, they struggle to even recognize the long term symptoms of racism in our society and are offended by the evidence that racists have been inspired by Trump's words and actions. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, myoglobin said:

I think one of the more beneficial endeavors is to find worthwhile "thought lines" on both the right and the left.  I am probably more "right of center" at least on economic issues (and some social issues) however when I was in Europe with my son (in 2019) for several months I was able to appreciate many positive aspects of a more socialist approach that at least in part justifies the higher taxes, tiny homes/apartments and expensive food (it tasted better for example, the parks were wonderful and the people seemed to enjoy life a bit more overall especially in Paris and Swiss). In the same way I have worked with BLM protesters and Trump supporters (professionally) and seen positive aspirations in what they aspire towards (police reform for the BLM protesters and less abortion of minority children for example or less reliance on Chinese products in the case of Trump supporters). Both sides have positive elements for our nation. Although, I was against it at the time I am grateful that Obamacare/ AHA brought greater parity to mental healthcare and eliminated preexisting condition issues to a great extent. If Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Scalia could be friends (as it is said they were) two people who almost always supported the more intense elements of their respective political spectrums then why do average people who don't even make these heavy decisions have to be so bitter towards one another.?

I doubt that Scalia accused her of having a mental illness simply because she was liberal.  He likely didn't talk about drinking her liberal tears again or making her cry as part of his agenda. 

 

2 hours ago, myoglobin said:

I think one of the more beneficial endeavors is to find worthwhile "thought lines" on both the right and the left.  I am probably more "right of center" at least on economic issues (and some social issues) however when I was in Europe with my son (in 2019) for several months I was able to appreciate many positive aspects of a more socialist approach that at least in part justifies the higher taxes, tiny homes/apartments and expensive food (it tasted better for example, the parks were wonderful and the people seemed to enjoy life a bit more overall especially in Paris and Swiss). In the same way I have worked with BLM protesters and Trump supporters (professionally) and seen positive aspirations in what they aspire towards (police reform for the BLM protesters and less abortion of minority children for example or less reliance on Chinese products in the case of Trump supporters). Both sides have positive elements for our nation. Although, I was against it at the time I am grateful that Obamacare/ AHA brought greater parity to mental healthcare and eliminated preexisting condition issues to a great extent. If Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Scalia could be friends (as it is said they were) two people who almost always supported the more intense elements of their respective political spectrums then why do average people who don't even make these heavy decisions have to be so bitter towards one another.?

  I'm going to guess that Scalia didn't call neo Nazis fine people in her presence. 

Yeah...why has all of that animus toward liberals been stirred up and amplified by Fox news and right wing radio? And why is it that the expectation is that liberals should seek out peace with the people who deliberately reflect an angry, intimidating and violent intention on the streets, on the steps of state buildings, in our covid plagued communities, etc? Why are you asking liberals? We aren't the ones motivated by the tears of other Americans. 

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

I have many friendly acquaintances who voted for Trump and a few dear friends and relatives, who I love who also voted for him.

A woman I've known since 1987 and I often arrange to volunteer at the Food Bank or Blood Drive also talk on the phone or, pre Covid, meet for lunch has worn a MAGA hat most days she isn't working and has a TRUMP bumper sticker on her car. I would be a fool to lose a good friend because of politics. She is very superstitious. Once she became angry when she told me she wouldn't have recommended foot surgery until a butterfly landed on her. I started to sing the Stevie Wonder song, "Superstitious", but apologized because she wasn't joking. She only wore sandals for a couple years before a butterfly landed on her. Now she can wear shoes. We talk on the phone often, mostly about Star Trek.

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I doubt that Scalia accused her of having a mental illness simply because she was liberal.  He likely didn't talk about drinking her liberal tears again or making her cry as part of his agenda. 

 

  I'm going to guess that Scalia didn't call neo Nazis fine people in her presence. 

Yeah...why has all of that animus toward liberals been stirred up and amplified by Fox news and right wing radio? And why is it that the expectation is that liberals should seek out peace with the people who deliberately reflect an angry, intimidating and violent intention on the streets, on the steps of state buildings, in our covid plagued communities, etc? Why are you asking liberals? We aren't the ones motivated by the tears of other Americans. 

All I am saying is that you should evaluate individuals on a case by case basis and neither love nor hate them based upon who they voted for. For example it is probably that Scalia voted (or would have voted) for Trump and that Ginsburg voted (or would have voted) for Biden.  Their feelings of friendship were guided by their individual interactions rather than their party affiliations.  We don't have to agree with others to live them. I disagree vehemently politically with my SO on about 50% of political issues and my son with another 50% of issues. I like and love them both and would feel the same even if we were not related.

[Daisy4RN]

My mental health will remain intact (at least as much as it was before the election LOL) despite who wins. It looks like Biden will win and that is the way it goes, sometimes ya win, sometimes ya lose. I did not vote for Biden bc I felt Trump had better policies for the people/Country. I don't think that Biden voters are bad or evil people and of course I will continue to have peace with them. I also have friends and family on both sides, we discuss issues and sometimes change others opinions but have enough respect to know others are entitled to their own way of thinking and opinion (ie agree to disagree). It has been like this for over 200 yrs in this country and, God willing, we will continue to live in this republic with a democratic process. I will support who ever is President bc that is how we move on for the betterment of the Country! 

At myoglobin said:  "then why do average people who don't even make these heavy decisions have to be so bitter towards one another"?

I don't know but I have a sneaking suspicion that some of this comes from the media/elites causing divisions in we the average people in order to make their own situation better.

[toomuchbaloney]

27 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

All I am saying is that you should evaluate individuals on a case by case basis and neither love nor hate them based upon who they voted for. For example it is probably that Scalia voted (or would have voted) for Trump and that Ginsburg voted (or would have voted) for Biden.  Their feelings of friendship were guided by their individual interactions rather than their party affiliations.  We don't have to agree with others to live them. I disagree vehemently politically with my SO on about 50% of political issues and my son with another 50% of issues. I like and love them both and would feel the same even if we were not related.

LOL

Save that advice for the Trump supporters. I already utilize facts, evidence and reasoning.  I don't hate anyone, not even the most corrupt psychopath to be called POTUS - Trump. I do despise what he represents and the ugly moral and ethical equivocation that is required to support Trump. I do deplore the cruel bigotry at the center of his immigration policy.  I am embarrassed by his corrupt foreign policy, etc.  

I feel so many emotions; frustration, anger, compassion, sadness, horror. Hate is not among them. 

Cable television is not a regular part of my media consumption.  Again, Fox news is the msm outlet that speaks to their fans about those things 5x more than any other source. Why is that? Is that why so many Trump supporters talk about hate so much? 

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Watching Fox afternoon thru 7PM several times this week. Tone has changed a lot, supporting current vote count.  Kudos to all the election department officials , especially those having protestors beating on their doors.

Found the

Strolled the neighborhood this afternoon then watered grass seed placed Tuesday after new retention wall completed.

Returning to suspense novel now.

[MunoRN, RN]

46 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Watching Fox afternoon thru 7PM several times this week. Tone has changed a lot, supporting current vote count.  Kudos to all the election department officials , especially those having protestors beating on their doors.

Found the

Strolled the neighborhood this afternoon then watered grass seed placed Tuesday after new retention wall completed.

Returning to suspense novel now.

While watching Steve Kornacki geek-out on election numbers is still the highlight of an election night, by far the best election coverage that I saw was Fox News, Bill Hemmer in particular.  He gave a very good explanation of why Wisconsin will likely still go to Biden even though Trump was up a few-hundred thousand votes at the time.  The numbers he predicted for later in the night were spot on.