How Vietnam (97 million people) managed to keep its coronavirus death toll at zero

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

How did Vietnam (97 million people) manage to keep its coronavirus death toll at zero?

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So how has Vietnam seemingly bucked the global trend and largely escaped the scourge of the coronavirus? The answer, according to public health experts, lies in a combination of factors, from the government's swift, early response to prevent its spread, to rigorous contact-tracing and quarantining and effective public communication.

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[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

Vietnam is a Communist dictatorship. Human rights and civil liberties are always going to be secondary in a dictatorship, which will consistently apply the pretext of "national security" and "saving human lives" to curb peoples' freedoms.

This is America, and as much as certain pro-Communist politicians here in this country don't like it, our freedom is non-negotiable, pandemic or no pandemic. Live free or die.

[toomuchbaloney]

Pro communist politicians like...

That moment when public health recommendations are treated like communist rule during the reign of a conservative authoritarian who refuses all responsibility and accountability while threatening his countrymen with violence. Yeah...but but the communists...LOL

[Rogue1]

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Vietnam is a Communist dictatorship. Human rights and civil liberties are always going to be secondary in a dictatorship, which will consistently apply the pretext of "national security" and "saving human lives" to curb peoples' freedoms.

So...are you saying that person A's freedom is more important that person B's life?

There are always limits to your 'freedoms', whether you admit to them or not.

[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

Oh, I know very well that Communists love to put freedom in quotation marks and will freely trample on them in the name of national security.

As Benjamin Franklin famously said, "Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither"

[toomuchbaloney]

38 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Oh, I know very well that Communists love to put freedom in quotation marks and will freely trample on them in the name of national security.

As Benjamin Franklin famously said, "Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither"

Social conservatives are famous for giving away freedom because of their fear ... reference the Patriot Act.

[macawake, MSN]

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So...are you saying that person A’s freedom is more important that person B’s life?

I think that Mike here thinks that his right to do what he pleases should reign supreme and that anyone (especially people named Karen) who is afraid of catching Covid-19 should just cower under their bed until a vaccine is (hopefully) developed. He also seems to think that repressive regimes is a uniquely Commie phenomenon. Mike, if you feel I’ve misinterpreted your point of view, feel free to explain your stance.

Rogue1, personally I think your question is complicated, and not easily answered. It’s not a simple yes/no or A/B is most important.

In my opinion the measures a government takes to combat the spread of a contagion must be necessary and proportionate. They should be the least restrictive and intrusive required to achieve the desired result. I also think you have to factor in potential ”side effects” of the measures that are implemented. The end goal is to promote health and save lives.

When it comes to infectious diseases I also think they should be evidence-based if possible and not just based on a politician’s wish to appear forceful, or worse yet; based on emotion and fear. Any measures implemented should be transparent, subject to oversight and most of all, temporary.

I value my personal freedom highly and I am extremely appreciative that I don’t live in a country where personal freedom is taken lightly. Some countries have for example used GPS and facial recognition software to track its citizens and make sure they adhere to stay-at-home or quarantine orders. Some are even required to regularly send geo-tagged selfies as proof of current location. Hello Orwell!

So, I don’t take my freedom lightly. But I also care about the health of my family, friends, coworkers and all other fellow citizens. I would hate it if I passed the infection to someone else, especially someone more vulnerable. I also don’t want to contribute to the spread in general because that behavior would increase the strain on the healthcare system. I think it’s every person’s responsibility to do what’s in their power to minimize further spread of this pandemic. I just personally feel that it should be based on voluntary actions rather than government-mandated measures whenever it is at all possible.

[macawake, MSN]

Oh, gosh ? OP, I’m sorry. I just came off a long shift and my brain isn’t fully operational ? I just realized that your (user)name is Karen. You know I wasn’t referring to you in my previous post, right?

To those of my AN friends having a weekend off, have a good one! And for those working, stay safe!

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[Rogue1]

Macawake, thank you for your very thoughtful and nuanced response. I agree with many of your points.

It is irritating how when one wishes to have a thoughtful and nuanced discussion the self-appointed freedom fighters will try to slap the topic shut with scare tactics like calling the other person a communist, LOL.

Public health IS a complicated topic. We ALL benefit when certain public health measures are implemented and maintained, which then gives individuals much more freedom to pursue their dreams.

[Wuzzie]

3 minutes ago, Rogue1 said:

We ALL benefit when certain public health measures are implemented and maintained, which then gives individuals much more freedom to pursue their dreams.

Public health measures got us indoor plumbing. Damn commies! ?

[Asystole RN]

One must first assume that the reported numbers are accurate. Like what we are seeing in other countries, what one attributes to COVID versus other health issues such as "pneumonia" has drastic implications for the reported numbers.

I would recommend taking things with a grain of salt. Not unlike the reported 0 COVID cases in N. Korea.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

4 hours ago, Asystole RN said:

One must first assume that the reported numbers are accurate. Like what we are seeing in other countries, what one attributes to COVID versus other health issues such as "pneumonia" has drastic implications for the reported numbers.

I would recommend taking things with a grain of salt. Not unlike the reported 0 COVID cases in N. Korea.

I agree with this. And I also don't believe the numbers China has reported. I believe their actual numbers far exceed ever our own. Of course I have nothing to back that up.. just a hunch.