Eh, I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes. My supervisor is going back to school for her BSN. She's been in school for about a year now, but hasn't done too many essays or papers. Why not? Because she has the nursing staff doing her school work for her. I have no idea how she manages to pass since different people have different writing styles, but whatever.
I'll admit, I wrote one paper. I'm against cheating and I cringed while doing it, but the "I'm 60, how can my school expect me to learn APA at my age" talk won me over. I have a soft spot for people like that (my mother was the exact same way but never got to finish school) but now my supervisor is asking me to do a whole research project . I need to tell her no, but I'm not really sure how.
I already told myself I will never help her cheat again, but now I need help telling HER that without succumbing to her "I can't do this, I need you" speeches.
And when she turns it in she will be busted. Profs can find out easily which papers are bought.
No. I am a professor ... and I have no idea which papers are bought and which were written by the student enrolled in my classes. The plagerism software only tells me whether or not the work is original -- not who wrote it.
If somebody writes an original paper and gives it to a friend (or customer) to submit, I would know only that it is an original paper. I wouldn't know who wrote it. That's why I hate classes that are 100% online (even though I teach in an online program). I would prefer to spend at least some time in class with my students so that I could assess whether or not the work they submitted was truly their own.
No. I am a professor ... and I have no idea which papers are bought and which were written by the student enrolled in my classes. The plagerism software only tells me whether or not the work is original -- not who wrote it.
If somebody writes an original paper and gives it to a friend (or customer) to submit, I would know only that it is an original paper. I wouldn't know who wrote it. That's why I hate classes that are 100% online (even though I teach in an online program). I would prefer to spend at least some time in class with my students so that I could assess whether or not the work they submitted was truly their own.
But if a student hands in multiple assignments, wouldn't you be able to tell if the work was his or hers based on the differences in writing-style? I honestly thought she would have been caught long ago because she has several nurses who write her papers for her.
But if a student hands in multiple assignments, wouldn't you be able to tell if the work was his or hers based on the differences in writing-style? I honestly thought she would have been caught long ago because she has several nurses who write her papers for her.
I hope these idiots are at least well-paid sellouts. If they're not getting paid I can't imagine what is their motivation for all that work that doesn't even benefit them.
I hope these idiots are at least well-paid sellouts. If they're not getting paid I can't imagine what is their motivation for all that work that doesn't even benefit them.
It sounds as if they think they are helping her, "the poor old thing". Which could not be further from the truth.
But if a student hands in multiple assignments, wouldn't you be able to tell if the work was his or hers based on the differences in writing-style? I honestly thought she would have been caught long ago because she has several nurses who write her papers for her.
APA is very dry, so I don't see how any "voice" of a writer will come through.
I did some snooping. I found a picture to a ring ceremony, so she apparently has made it through the program. But I looked up her name on the BON & she has disciplinary action against her license.
Thank you. :)
It's things like this that really made me believe in karma :-)
But if a student hands in multiple assignments, wouldn't you be able to tell if the work was his or hers based on the differences in writing-style? I honestly thought she would have been caught long ago because she has several nurses who write her papers for her.
It takes a certain person to be able to catch that kind of difference. I can catch it pretty easy because I used to teach a couple classes with a writing component and there are always "tells" with peoples' writing, but others can't, especially college professors with a stack of papers to read who are most likely only skimming at best.
I have an issue with everyone saying this woman's cheating is going to make her an unsafe nurse.
An ADN and a BSN have the same job. This woman has to get her BSN to keep the job she already has. Fudging a few research papers is not suddenly going to make her incompetent at the job she has already been working at for years. It is really histrionic to suggest otherwise. Like, if I fudge a paper, do I suddenly forget how to do CPR or what a med I give all of the time is given for?
Cheating is despicable, but we are talking about someone who is already a licensed nurse and has been working for years, not a new grad. I think OP should absolutely not help her write the research paper, and I think turning her in anonymously is a good idea, but that's just based on my principles and not the effect it will have on her work ability.
I have an issue with everyone saying this woman's cheating is going to make her an unsafe nurse.
An ADN and a BSN have the same job. This woman has to get her BSN to keep the job she already has. Fudging a few research papers is not suddenly going to make her incompetent at the job she has already been working at for years. It is really histrionic to suggest otherwise. Like, if I fudge a paper, do I suddenly forget how to do CPR or what a med I give all of the time is given for?
Cheating is despicable, but we are talking about someone who is already a licensed nurse and has been working for years, not a new grad. I think OP should absolutely not help her write the research paper, and I think turning her in anonymously is a good idea, but that's just based on my principles and not the affect it will have on her work ability.
I was waiting for someone to say this. Writing papers never added one dust mote to my managerial capabilities. Those derived from my previous management experience, years of it. Thank you for stating this truth.
I don't think anyone is saying that. Let me correct. I wasn't saying that.
I said she sounds like a selfish idiot. She may be hell on wheels with inserting foley caths. That's not the point.
To have cheating in your repertoire at age 60, asking multiple people to do it, and continuing to do so, all people you manage? That's not "fudging a paper".
And I don't know if my BSN will make me a better nurse. I think not. I thinking"nursing" made me a better nurse. But I have to do it, so I may as well do it right, right?
I may have missed it but I don't think anyone is saying she'll be an unsafe nurse. I think she's a crappy supervisor who is exploiting subordinates and is definitely a dishonest person, but I couldn't say if she's a safe nurse or not.
. I need to tell her no, but I'm not really sure how.
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No. I am a professor ... and I have no idea which papers are bought and which were written by the student enrolled in my classes. The plagerism software only tells me whether or not the work is original -- not who wrote it.
If somebody writes an original paper and gives it to a friend (or customer) to submit, I would know only that it is an original paper. I wouldn't know who wrote it. That's why I hate classes that are 100% online (even though I teach in an online program). I would prefer to spend at least some time in class with my students so that I could assess whether or not the work they submitted was truly their own.