How many unvaccinated coworkers are you aware of?

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How have you expressed your displeasure about their choice? Are you questioning why they have not been terminated yet?

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7 minutes ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

I'm outweighing why because a person can refuse life saving treatments and people have to honor it but cannot refuse the vaccine. 

But the unvaccinated CAN continue to refuse to vaccinate. They can refuse the vaccine.  

Just like the reality that there are consequences to refusing a treatment, there are consequences to choosing to be unvaccinated during a pandemic.  No one has the right to be free from the consequences of their choices. 

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From the Centers for Disease Control and and Prevention: 

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html#:~:text=• Fully vaccinated people with,the virus to others.

Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time

So by getting the vaccine you are decreasing your risk of serious illness and death, and decrease the likelihood that if you test positive, you will spread the virus for a shorter period of time. Less time to spread --> less spread. 

But keep in mind, data continues to be collected and studied. 

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22 minutes ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

Thank you for explaining that. ??? I got the vaccine and I'm just thinking about the reasons why we got it and why some people choose not to. My brain likes to think of every possible situation or outcome. It's never a straight line. I'm outweighing why because a person can refuse life saving treatments and people have to honor it but cannot refuse the vaccine. It's a sensitive subject and some people got upset with my question but it's OK. For those people, you don't have to feel like everyone is attacking you and your beliefs, we are just looking for knowledge.

You were correct to keep an open mind. There are those who object to the vaccine after surviving a COVID infection and are still subject to mandates to take it despite evidence supporting their decision to defer.  A common argument is that the unvaccinated are going to spread it however seeing as the vaccinated can do the same, that argument has challenges. Other arguments are that natural immunity is less effective than vaccination despite a variety of sources showing this isn't conclusively true or not. 

A balanced approach is important regarding the debate over mandated vaccination.

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21 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

 

A balanced approach is important regarding the debate over mandated vaccination.

By balanced, do you mean weigh the opinions of health care experts, including immunologists, vaccinologists and infectious disease doctors against various media reports and online posts? And then choose the one that makes you most comfortable? 

 

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I work in a small clinic,  7 of us in total and one that is not vaccinated and pretty adamantly refusing. She's one of the "it's my body and nobody can tell me what to put in it" people.

While the clinic is small the company is huge so I expect they will start mandating vaccination at some point, probably sooner rather than later. I'm honestly not sure if this employee will give up and get the vaccine or if she'll quit and look for another job where it's not required. 

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2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

By balanced, do you mean weigh the opinions of health care experts, including immunologists, vaccinologists and infectious disease doctors against various media reports and online posts? And then choose the one that makes you most comfortable? 

 

Negative.

Consider the advice of one's PCP and other relative providers (such as those your referenced) in conjunction with research from legitimate, credible, unbiased sources. 

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6 hours ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

OK I understand some of what you said but I'm still confused on one part. Can you pass the virus to other people if you are vaccinated? If you’re vaccinated no it’s not a live virus. 

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5 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Negative.

Consider the advice of one's PCP and other relative providers (such as those your referenced) in conjunction with research from legitimate, credible, unbiased sources. 

So if your PCP strongly advises vaccination but you read a report that is less certain, who do you listen to?

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1 minute ago, nursej22 said:

So if your PCP strongly advises vaccination but you read a report that is less certain, who do you listen to?

Unfortunately with this virus there's many uncertainties.  

What choice a person makes after talking to their PCP and doing the research, that's not for me to say.  

For the sake of answering your question there are situations where I think deferring is a very bad idea and others where I can understand deferring. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

OK I understand some of what you said but I'm still confused on one part. Can you pass the virus to other people if you are vaccinated? 

Some older vaccines like measles or chicken pox, contain virus, either dead or weakened. But the two mRNA vaccines do not. They use a tiny bit of RNA to tell your cells to make the spike protein. The J&J vaccine uses another virus, not COVID, to carry those instructions to your cells to make the spike proteins. Your immune system then sees the spike protein as foreign, and makes antibodies to destroy it.

You cannot get COVID from the vaccine, and the vaccine does not make you contagious. 

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I haven't seen any medical articles that the vaccinated people are generally the ones in ICU or severely sick from the COVID-19 vaccines. If the vaccinated people are flooding the hospitals, it's understandable not to be vaccinated. I feel bad for those people who are having reactions to the vaccines. Nobody should be ill. After all, we want to be free from pain and deaths. 

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On 9/15/2021 at 5:43 AM, emtb2rn said:

“fluff”. Good substitution.  Dude, you don’t know what you don’t know, so I’ll ask this question again - do you know who your avatar is? If you did, my question would have made sense. 

Fluff is pretty good,  right? A gentle way to say the same thing. 

Ah.  People have made references often to that character here.  I didn't realize it would get any attention.  

I was more in to the Bad MF scene.  

I don't think Vincent would take it ?

 

 

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