How many unvaccinated coworkers are you aware of?

toomuchbaloney · Sep 17, 2021

1 hour ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

Hi I'm a student and very curious about this subject. I don't oppose to vaccines but would love to educated on some of these things. I heard you can still get covid and pass it to other people if vaccinated. That's the same for unvaccinated people. If that's right then unvaccinated people are just risking their own lives?

Vaccination doesn't prevent exposure or infection with the disease...vaccines decrease likelihood of serious illness or death following exposure to the contagion. That's true for all vaccines.

Unvaccinated people are risking their lives, their health, their employment...and they are putting at risk their close contacts, those community members who are legitimately unable to vaccinate, the safety of the work environment and the economic stability of the region they live in. Remaining unvaccinated at this time is not altruistic or patriotic.

FallingInPlace, ADN, BSN, RN · Sep 17, 2021

51 minutes ago, LoriLu2010 said:

I feel it’s a ground treaded lightly because OSHA stated that companies are liable for bad reactions…

That's interesting. Do you happen to have a source for that? I have met a couple of employees while administering vaccines who had some truly legit concerns over the vaccine, and I'd like to look into this further.

I tend to think employers are staring down an impending staffing shortage and are suddenly reconsidering vaccine mandates.

LoriLu2010 · Sep 17, 2021

40 minutes ago, FallingInPlace said:

That's interesting. Do you happen to have a source for that? I have met a couple of employees while administering vaccines who had some truly legit concerns over the vaccine, and I'd like to look into this further.

I tend to think employers are staring down an impending staffing shortage and are suddenly reconsidering vaccine mandates.https://www.medscape.com/answers/2500114-197467/what-is-the-duration-of-viral-shedding-in-persons-with-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19#:~:text=The duration of viral shedding,median of 20 days.

gabrielavenegas85 · Sep 17, 2021

2 hours ago, LoriLu2010 said:

That’s true,the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection,it keeps you from getting sick enough to be placed on a vent.There are break through cases, there is 72 hours of incubation before you have symptoms and are most contagious.And 90 days of shedding virus.You’re at higher risk unvaccinated and catching Covid and getting severe disease,based on pre-exhausting health conditions. That’s what I’ve learned so far..But everyone has their own perspective.

Thank you for responding. I appreciate the information. I haven't had anyone explain to me and yes everyone is a little different with info.

LoriLu2010 · Sep 17, 2021

19 minutes ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

Thank you for responding. I appreciate the information. I haven't had anyone explain to me and yes everyone is a little different with info.

I’m happy to help!?

gabrielavenegas85 · Sep 17, 2021

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Vaccination doesn't prevent exposure or infection with the disease...vaccines decrease likelihood of serious illness or death following exposure to the contagion. That's true for all vaccines.

Unvaccinated people are risking their lives, their health, their employment...and they are putting at risk their close contacts, those community members who are legitimately unable to vaccinate, the safety of the work environment and the economic stability of the region they live in. Remaining unvaccinated at this time is not altruistic or patriotic.

OK I understand some of what you said but I'm still confused on one part. Can you pass the virus to other people if you are vaccinated?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 17, 2021

5 hours ago, Auqtu said:

I find this question unprofessional and potentially abusive of fellow nurses.
If you chose to get the shot, why are you concerned about what others do?
This is being turned into an “us against them”. That is dumbfounding and should be unacceptable.

We all worked quiet well together pre shot…How dare this profession question autonomy when we are to be advocating just that with our patients.

Uhhhhh. Because I want to protect myself from getting Covid and would take measures against unnecessary exposure.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 17, 2021

4 hours ago, MelodyNelson said:

That's your opinion, and it's your right to have it.

A Nazi (yes, it is capitalized) would knock you to the ground, tie you up and vaccinate you. You are given the opportunity to 1. not be knocked to the ground and 2. not be vaccinated. If you have to leave your job for another one, you are free to do that. Also, you belittle people who had to live under real Nazis and trivialize the demons that they were. I do not to be confined to a work environment with unvaccinated people and one of the few rights I have is the ability to pursue life.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 17, 2021

1 hour ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

OK I understand some of what you said but I'm still confused on one part. Can you pass the virus to other people if you are vaccinated?

Yes. If you are vaccinated and become infected with covid you can get infected and you can spread disease. Vaccines DO NOT PREVENT EXPOSURE to contagions. Vaccinated individuals quickly mount an appropriate immune response and viral replication is adversely impacted. This means that the vast majority of breakthrough infections are mild and not associated with significant shedding of the contagion to others.

Unvaccinated people are gambling that they won't get terribly ill, that they won't have untoward aftermath from viral illness, that they won't share the disease with many others, that they'll be able to keep their job...

The vaccines are safe and effective.

jive turkey · Sep 17, 2021

2 hours ago, gabrielavenegas85 said:

OK I understand some of what you said but I'm still confused on one part. Can you pass the virus to other people if you are vaccinated?

Indeed. Hence the additional debate over mandates

toomuchbaloney · Sep 17, 2021

20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Indeed. Hence the additional debate over mandates

The evidence demonstrates that employer mandates increase rates of vaccination. That is the public health objective, to increase the number of vaccinated individuals in every workplace and every community.

The debate isn't really about the purpose and value of vaccination or the effectiveness of mandates in the midst of a pandemic. The debate is about other issues, right?

gabrielavenegas85 · Sep 17, 2021

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes. If you are vaccinated and become infected with covid you can get infected and you can spread disease. Vaccines DO NOT PREVENT EXPOSURE to contagions. Vaccinated individuals quickly mount an appropriate immune response and viral replication is adversely impacted. This means that the vast majority of breakthrough infections are mild and not associated with significant shedding of the contagion to others.

Unvaccinated people are gambling that they won't get terribly ill, that they won't have untoward aftermath from viral illness, that they won't share the disease with many others, that they'll be able to keep their job...

The vaccines are safe and effective.

Thank you for explaining that. ??? I got the vaccine and I'm just thinking about the reasons why we got it and why some people choose not to. My brain likes to think of every possible situation or outcome. It's never a straight line. I'm outweighing why because a person can refuse life saving treatments and people have to honor it but cannot refuse the vaccine. It's a sensitive subject and some people got upset with my question but it's OK. For those people, you don't have to feel like everyone is attacking you and your beliefs, we are just looking for knowledge.