help me buck the system, please! super-traditional pinning ceremony that nobody wants

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Hi all-

I'm posting this in the general discussion rather than the student discussion, as I want to hear from people who were successful in doing something like this.

I'm the president of my ADN class, graduating this May. We have 17 students, 14 of them women. Our faculty is, almost entirely, *extremely* conservative, and the school is in a very small town. Our pinning ceremony is held in a church, and has pretty significant christian religious overtones, which I have a problem with; I think it's an inappropriate blurring of the line between church and state (this is a state-funded community college), and I've had a few students express discomfort with having the ceremony in this church. By the way- it's only held there for faculty preference; there's plenty of room on campus.

My main concern, though, is the attire for the ceremony. We're being forced to wear white dresses and caps. Now, we have to wear the caps in most clinical rotations, which is enough of an indignity (people think we're kidding, that other staff members are playing practical jokes on them by sending students in the room with caps on...it's nauseating, but I've tried to change this with no success). But I think it's ludicrous to insist we wear them at the pinning ceremony. It's *our* event, not the faculty's. In my opinion, the requirement that women wear dresses is inappropriately sexist, and from a logistical standpoint, *nobody* should be spending money on a white dress that will gather dust forever, when we have the expense of the NCLEX looming in our immediate future.

We have one student who wants to wear a white dress, and the others are adamantly opposed to it. I'm looking for ways to approach the program director with alternatives...I think that I need to have some suggestions, or he's just going to shut it down completely. Personally, this issue is important enough to me that I won't attend the ceremony if we have to wear the dresses. I know of at least 2 other women who plan to do the same thing.

My current plan is to have a meeting with the director and my vice-president to discuss the feelings our class has about the issue, and suggest a couple of alternatives- wearing nice, 'dressy' outfits, or wearing our clinical uniform (white smock and lab coat with navy pants). I'd like to hear from anyone else who had to address this issue, and how you resolved it. I'm also open to any suggestions *anyone* has...this director is extremely old-fashioned (he said he'd have us all wearing black stockings and orthopedic shoes, if he had his way), but he also respects me *specifically* because I'm confident and outspoken. By the way, if this were not the prevailing feeling of the other class members, I'd just skip the ceremony...I'm treating it like a class issue because I feel that's my role as the class president.

Also, please don't try to convince me we should be wearing the dresses. I don't really give a hoot about someone else's traditions that encourage disrespect and sexism, so the 'traditional' nurse's uniform is something I refuse to ever put on my body. I find the caps degrading enough...I am a medical professional in training, and there's nothing more irritating than having a doctor or nurse or patient say, 'how *cute*!!' when I walk into a room. If you disagree with me, I certainly respect your opinion, but I am absolutely certain of my position on this subject.

Specializes in Critical Care/ICU.

My class was close, we mostly liked or at least respected each other. Sounds like OP's class is somewhat the same...and they should have something they like, especiallly since the school isn't paying for it.

We were a very close class of 16 (started with 18 but two didn't make it). I made a couple of life-long friends during nursing school. Two weeks after graduation 8 of us jumped on a Carnival Cruise and went to Mexico. Everyone was invited but most already had jobs to go to.

Now, that was doing it our way and something I'll NEVER forget!! :p

One year following our graduation I had a reunion at my home and everybody came.

Five years is coming up soon!

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

The the OP - good luck with your pinning ceremony. It sounds as though your class wants a meaningful one and hopefully, through your advocacy you will get what you want. That said, I didn't go to the LPN pinning, did go to ADN pinning, didn't go to any graduation: LPN, ADN,BSN or soon MSN. To me it wasn't so much the journey to the degree, but the end product. However, that is just my opinion. We have some very strong feelings about this subject.

My gosh! This post sounds like it could have been written by ME! I just missed my pinning/capping ceremony Thursday night because of the same reasons that you have addressed. Like you, Rachel, the ceremony just waasn't one of my priorities. I applaud you for being a class advocate!

It was held in a church, which to me is a big no-no for a public school funded by the state. As far as the poster who said we knew the school's policy regarding these things before we started class, I think that is ridiculous. No one ever told us at orientation that we would be required to attend church for anything. I guess I just thought it was my civil right to not have religion forced on me in nursing school. What was I thinking??? :uhoh3: But, here in the Bible Belt, you don't question those things unless you want to be labeled a "devil-worshipper." :angryfire

We were also forced to wear our white top/white pants outfit that we wear to clinicals. It makes me look like the stay-puft marshamallow man! :rotfl: We were even required to wear our hair up in buns!

When questioned about what would be the consequence of not attending, one instructor said, "why would you NOT want to go? This is for you. You have earned it!" I agreed with her 100%. This is for US, so why is administration so set on humiliating us in front of hundreds of people we don't even know?

I think if it really was for us, we should be able to wear a nice dressy outfit or dress of our own choosing, and keep our hair the way we are comfortable with it.

Anyway, I can't really give you any advice except to say that you should put everything in writing, maybe have your classmates sign some petitions for change. If that doesn't work, skip it like I did!

I want Rachel for MY class president! Keep rocking that boat!

Specializes in MS Home Health.

We did not say an oath. White gowns are not an honor to me by any stretch of the imagination.......

Oh yes there were 250 in my graduating class.

Sorry my practice is honor not my clothes

JMHO

renerian

My gosh! This post sounds like it could have been written by ME! I just missed my pinning/capping ceremony Thursday night because of the same reasons that you have addressed. Like you, Rachel, the ceremony just waasn't one of my priorities. I applaud you for being a class advocate!

It was held in a church, which to me is a big no-no for a public school funded by the state. As far as the poster who said we knew the school's policy regarding these things before we started class, I think that is ridiculous. No one ever told us at orientation that we would be required to attend church for anything. I guess I just thought it was my civil right to not have religion forced on me in nursing school. What was I thinking??? :uhoh3: But, here in the Bible Belt, you don't question those things unless you want to be labeled a "devil-worshipper." :angryfire

We were also forced to wear our white top/white pants outfit that we wear to clinicals. It makes me look like the stay-puft marshamallow man! :rotfl: We were even required to wear our hair up in buns!

When questioned about what would be the consequence of not attending, one instructor said, "why would you NOT want to go? This is for you. You have earned it!" I agreed with her 100%. This is for US, so why is administration so set on humiliating us in front of hundreds of people we don't even know?

I think if it really was for us, we should be able to wear a nice dressy outfit or dress of our own choosing, and keep our hair the way we are comfortable with it.

Anyway, I can't really give you any advice except to say that you should put everything in writing, maybe have your classmates sign some petitions for change. If that doesn't work, skip it like I did!

I want Rachel for MY class president! Keep rocking that boat!

Please enlighten me. How is religion being forced on you just because something is held in a church? If it isn't a religous ceremony it isn't religous. A church is just a building. Many functions can be held there. As I mentioned many devout christians go to many ceremonies in many buildings and never make it out to be a way to break their religous beliefs.

Were they going to make you pray? Was there going to be prayer? Was there going to be a Preacher or minister? The church is a congregation of people that come together to worship, a building is just a building. A building where a church meets is often considered a church but if you look into it you will find that NO building is really what contains God or religion, people house God. Religion is a set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

I just want to add that it seems strange to me. If a person does not believe in God or organized religion then why would a House of worship threaten you? It would seem to me that "Church" or house of worship would have no meaning at all if you had no belief? So I would really like to know what the issue is.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

I just can't understand the venue at all...why is your pinning NOT being held at the SCHOOL??????

I just want to add that it seems strange to me. If a person does not believe in God or organized religion then why would a House of worship threaten you? It would seem to me that "Church" or house of worship would have no meaning at all if you had no belief? So I would really like to know what the issue is.

DITTO!

What is the real issue here?

By the way, if you are offered a job with a Catholic, Baptist, or other medical facility with religious affiliation, will you refuse the job? What will you do if the hospital you work in has a chapel in it (a church inside the building where you will be working). Won't that be like working in a church?

I just want to add that it seems strange to me. If a person does not believe in God or organized religion then why would a House of worship threaten you? It would seem to me that "Church" or house of worship would have no meaning at all if you had no belief? So I would really like to know what the issue is.

DITTO!

What is the real issue here?

By the way, if you are offered a job with a Catholic, Baptist, or other medical facility with religious affiliation, will you refuse the job? What will you do if the hospital you work in has a chapel in it (a church inside the building where you will be working). Won't that be like working in a church?

And what about the daily prayer almost all Hospitals say a prayer for thanks in the morning and again in the evening?

you certainly have a lot of issues. Why don't you just not go to the ceremony? Think of it like a wedding. Someone else is making the plans and you can decide to attend or not. Certainly easier on the psyche.

I agree that the ceremony should be for the students, but why let it ruin your last semester and your relationship with students/faculty? Just don't show.

Personally I think it's a bit different when you take a job where people are PAYING you to work in a religious hosptial. You chose the job, you deal with the consequences. If you can't abide prayer, you obviously won't take the job.

In this situation the students are paying the school to hold the pinning, and the school chose a church. She stated the ceremony is religiously-oriented. Plus churches generally have religious motifs in plain sight. Going into a church, you will be bombarded with Christian beliefs.

I would be EXTREMELY offended if my school tried to have the pinning in a church, or any other religious building

Specializes in Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health.
And what about the daily prayer almost all Hospitals say a prayer for thanks in the morning and again in the evening?

That has not been my experience. I'm not sure where you work - I have not worked in religiously affiliated hospitals.

I will also point out that the OP noted the graduation location has "strong religious overtones" as she attended last year's ceremony - so it's not just a location. I worked in a secular position inside of a church for 6 years - as an atheist it didn't bother me in the least. However, I didn't have people preaching to me. That would have been another matter entirely, no different that me trying to convert someone AWAY from their faith and just as annoying.

The faculty chooses to have it in this location along with religious references during the ceremony despite the availability of suitable alternatives (the OP notes that in fact the church location limits the number of people who can attend.)

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
And what about the daily prayer almost all Hospitals say a prayer for thanks in the morning and again in the evening?

Almost all hospitals? really? Not my experience, except in ones that were religiously-affiliated. Anyhow what of it (prayer)? You can't compare these things. You see, people CHOOSE to work in Catholic hospitals, right? So if they do, (as I did) then they accept (as I did) this will be a ritual. As will there be crucifices in each room, over each door. I chose to work there and accepted all of this.

But a graduating class should be able to choose venue and type of ceremony (within reason of course). If majority does not want a white ceremony in a church, they should be able to decide that.

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