help me buck the system, please! super-traditional pinning ceremony that nobody wants

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Hi all-

I'm posting this in the general discussion rather than the student discussion, as I want to hear from people who were successful in doing something like this.

I'm the president of my ADN class, graduating this May. We have 17 students, 14 of them women. Our faculty is, almost entirely, *extremely* conservative, and the school is in a very small town. Our pinning ceremony is held in a church, and has pretty significant christian religious overtones, which I have a problem with; I think it's an inappropriate blurring of the line between church and state (this is a state-funded community college), and I've had a few students express discomfort with having the ceremony in this church. By the way- it's only held there for faculty preference; there's plenty of room on campus.

My main concern, though, is the attire for the ceremony. We're being forced to wear white dresses and caps. Now, we have to wear the caps in most clinical rotations, which is enough of an indignity (people think we're kidding, that other staff members are playing practical jokes on them by sending students in the room with caps on...it's nauseating, but I've tried to change this with no success). But I think it's ludicrous to insist we wear them at the pinning ceremony. It's *our* event, not the faculty's. In my opinion, the requirement that women wear dresses is inappropriately sexist, and from a logistical standpoint, *nobody* should be spending money on a white dress that will gather dust forever, when we have the expense of the NCLEX looming in our immediate future.

We have one student who wants to wear a white dress, and the others are adamantly opposed to it. I'm looking for ways to approach the program director with alternatives...I think that I need to have some suggestions, or he's just going to shut it down completely. Personally, this issue is important enough to me that I won't attend the ceremony if we have to wear the dresses. I know of at least 2 other women who plan to do the same thing.

My current plan is to have a meeting with the director and my vice-president to discuss the feelings our class has about the issue, and suggest a couple of alternatives- wearing nice, 'dressy' outfits, or wearing our clinical uniform (white smock and lab coat with navy pants). I'd like to hear from anyone else who had to address this issue, and how you resolved it. I'm also open to any suggestions *anyone* has...this director is extremely old-fashioned (he said he'd have us all wearing black stockings and orthopedic shoes, if he had his way), but he also respects me *specifically* because I'm confident and outspoken. By the way, if this were not the prevailing feeling of the other class members, I'd just skip the ceremony...I'm treating it like a class issue because I feel that's my role as the class president.

Also, please don't try to convince me we should be wearing the dresses. I don't really give a hoot about someone else's traditions that encourage disrespect and sexism, so the 'traditional' nurse's uniform is something I refuse to ever put on my body. I find the caps degrading enough...I am a medical professional in training, and there's nothing more irritating than having a doctor or nurse or patient say, 'how *cute*!!' when I walk into a room. If you disagree with me, I certainly respect your opinion, but I am absolutely certain of my position on this subject.

At our last pinning ceremony, one of our graduating students wore a white mini dress, no slip, with an orange thong showing brightly through! :uhoh3: Give me a little tradition anyday.

Hello. Yes, I did respond emotionally, and I do believe my post was opinionated, but you are not the final authority on whether a post is "fine."

I do have a problem with someone telling someone to "not make a spectacle of yourself." I just found that so... rude.

Dear Action,

Did I ever claim to be a final authority? I don't believe I did. I merely found American's post every bit as acceptable as your own. In her opinion, it is unseemly to make a big deal of the attire to be worn at the pinning. She's certainly entitled to have an opinion on that. You find it rude, eh???

It IS a good practise to avoid making rash judgements based on a few posted words on the internet, wouldn't you agree??? It's funny how we can get over over something like this. You should have seen the falling out my class had over the pictures. It was utterly out of proportion, but I think we were all at the end of our rope, with our lives at the mercy of our instructors for 2 years in the program! I swear, I almost had a nervous breakdown!:uhoh3:

I think the OP will look back on all this and wonder why it seemed so important at the time. Really, I could've skipped the whole pinning. I ended up losing my pin a few years ago, I don't know where those pictures are stashed, and who knows where that precious cap is? Certainly not me. My kids will find it in the storage after I die, I think...

Specializes in PICU, Nurse Educator, Clinical Research.

As far as the school dictating what the graduation ceremony will be, my feelings are these: You choose the school which you attend. You exchange money for your education, but not the right run the school, set it's policies, or dictate how, when, or where it should conduct it's commencement exercises. You agreed to follow their policy and procedure when you accepted their program.

I believe that when you have completed your educational at an institution, you should live up to the rest of your obligation. You had ample opportunity to find out what their policies were. Go to your graduation exercises and have the dignity and decorum to not make a spectacle of yourself. You and your classmates made your school choice, no one forced you to go to school there. Finish what you started without causing trouble. Yes, it's your education and your graduation, but without the school, you wouldn't have either one. Life is filled with situations in which we have to do things that we don't like, and no employer is going to allow you to dictate policy to them and retain you as an employee. Se la Vie![/quote

if you read my original post and earlier reply to the thread, the school is a state-funded institution, and holding the ceremony in a church, with overtly religious overtones, violates the separation of church and state, as far as I understand it.

also, my class raised the money to pay for the *entire* ceremony for last year's class, and this year's juniors will pay for ours. the school doesn't put one cent into it. and, frankly, that school exists because of taxpayer dollars, which I contribute to, and have for many years.

this is *not* the school's commencement program. this is the nursing program's own ceremony, and we're told time and again that it is *our* ceremony, not the school's, and not the faculty's. I intend to approach this in a completely professional manner, as I have done everything else in nursing school, and in the careers I pursued before this one. As the leader of my class, I think it is my duty to speak for them on an issue they feel strongly about. as an individual of integrity, I feel it is important to behave in a way that supports my beliefs and ethical code. that is precisely how i intend to behave working as a nurse- by protecting the rights and care of my patients, even if it means fighting to change policies that do them harm. I won't 'go along to get along' on an issue I believe is important. also, if I choose not to attend the private pinning ceremony for my nursing class, this does not 'create a spectacle'. it makes a point, something I'm willing to do, and have *been* doing my whole life. (for the record, I've been able to change a large corporation's policies by pursuing change of things that didn't work- and not only did i *not* get fired for it- I got promoted.)

people who are willing to stand up and make a point are the ones who affect change...something that has been crucial to nursing throughout it's history.

and please, remember- my post was NOT intended to start a flame-war about tradition, religion, or anything of the sort. I wanted suggestions on how to approach our faculty about an issue the class agrees is a problem.

the bottom line for me is that addressing the class members' concerns with faculty is part of my duty as a class officer. standing by my convictions is part of my duty as an ethical human being.

I enjoyed my pinning ceremony -- that's what I did instead of graduation, since I'd already done a couple of those and had no desire to do it again. It was a lovely closure to the nursing program, and I'm glad after all we went through together, that we could do it.

My class was close, we mostly liked or at least respected each other. Sounds like OP's class is somewhat the same...and they should have something they like, especiallly since the school isn't paying for it.

I can understand that if the OP's class had to wear caps for clinicals and hated them then why have to wear them for pinning, tradition or no?

Specializes in private duty/home health, med/surg.
As far as the nun/nurse comment, I think nuns were usually associated with Catholic hospitals. They did a lot of good and turned out a lot of great nurses. I don't understand the need by some here to belittle nurses of yesteryear, anyways. They worked just as hard, or harder, than us modern nurses, were motivated professionals, And talk about controlling programs! I had an aunt by marriage, now deceased, who went to nursing school in the 30's. You had to live at the school, be unmarried, weren't allowed to date, etc. It wasn't a religious hospital, as far as I recall. She was an awesome, strongwilled woman who had an interesting career. People in those days had a lot more humility and respect for authority and tradition, IMO.

Hey, maybe everyone ought to wear matching scrubs with bright balloons and teddy bears on them! That might show everyone how dedicated to professionalism us modern nurses are!:balloons:

I fail to see how refusing to cave in to a rigid dress code equals 'belittling nurses of yesteryear.' Perhaps in those days, there was more respect for authority & tradition--there was also a lot less respect for nurses. They were expected to shut up & follow doctor's orders.

I'd rather be an assertive nurse in teddy bear scrubs than a submissive nurse wearing a starched white uniform & unsanitary cap.

To the OP -- please don't just go with what your nursing program is trying to force on your class. Consider it an exercise in assertiveness. You'll need the practice for when you have to question MD orders or discuss unit policies with your manager!

Dear Rachel,

Well, I think you started a very interesting discussion about this, certainly no flame war. Believe me, I've seen flame wars before, and this ain't one, even if some folks have some strong views.

Specializes in PICU, Nurse Educator, Clinical Research.

Having a ceremony in a church does not mean that the cermony has religious undertones. I imagine if it is a small community college, they needed to find a place to have it, and they took what was available.

yes, it's a small college, but they hold it in a church only for faculty preference. plenty of space is available on campus (actually more suitable, as the students aren't allowed to invite more than six people each because the church is so small). and the ceremony does have strong religious undertones, which I stated eariler- I attended last year's ceremony.

If she is not obligated to go and doesn't like the tone of the ceremony, doesn't want to participate in tradition, doesn't want to have a pinning ceremony, why go unless it is to cause dissention?
I don't care personally if they have a pinning ceremony or not; it's important to the people in my class. I've participated in plenty of traditions and ceremonies, and I see no problem with traditions as a rule- just those that I feel (again, my opinion, as you have yours) perpetuate negative stereotypes.

I find it hard to understand that a student chooses a school, completes the curriculum, and then starts rocking the boat at commencement.

Trust me, I didn't start rocking the boat now- i started at the first day of orientation. I've been able to get other unfair policies changed already- I'm guessing that my willingness to stick my neck out was the reason the class chose me to represent them. I've been a boat-rocker since I learned to talk, and probably will be until the day I die.

I am not entering the field of nursing to buck policy changes, or revise, refine, or re-define nursing or the medical industry. I am entering nursing to give care to the sick.
I think that's great- but, part of the reason I'm entering the nursing profession is to do those things you just stated you don't want to do. there is room in nursing for both paths. mine is to fight for change- thus, my opinion and my actions.

just wanted to respond to clarify some points. another poster said I should expect to hear from people who have different opinions that are equally strong. I did. I don't mind that...the world would be pretty dull if we all agreed on everything. I just want to make sure that my initial point is being accurately quoted.

I fail to see how refusing to cave in to a rigid dress code equals 'belittling nurses of yesteryear.' Perhaps in those days, there was more respect for authority & tradition--there was also a lot less respect for nurses. They were expected to shut up & follow doctor's orders.

I'd rather be an assertive nurse in teddy bear scrubs than a submissive nurse wearing a starched white uniform & unsanitary cap.

To the OP -- please don't just go with what your nursing program is trying to force on your class. Consider it an exercise in assertiveness. You'll need the practice for when you have to question MD orders or discuss unit policies with your manager!

You know what, in yesteryear patients had a lot more respect for nurses, actually. Nurses set the rules for the ward and they were obeyed. They enforced visiting hours, and you wouldn't have 20 family members partying in the room with no regard for the pt in the next bed or room.

But, if you read all my posts, you'll see I'm not very extreme on this issue. You might be confusing me with another poster. However, I think you all are underestimating those nuns and nurses of yesteryear. I've heard some of those old nuns were pretty fearsome, actually.

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another poster said I should expect to hear from people who have different opinions that are equally strong. I did. I don't mind that...the world would be pretty dull if we all agreed on everything. I just want to make sure that my initial point is being accurately quoted.

Yes, this discussion is kind of interesting. It brings back memories of nursing school. I think my school had a good policy, having people vote.

Specializes in PICU, Nurse Educator, Clinical Research.
Dear Rachel,

Well, I think you started a very interesting discussion about this, certainly no flame war. Believe me, I've seen flame wars before, and this ain't one, even if some folks have some strong views.

I suppose you're right, now that I read all the posts. I have a lot of respect for people who stand up for their beliefs, even when they contradict my own. Hey, I even thought Jesse Helms deserved some props for standing up for his beliefs!
I suppose you're right, now that I read all the posts. I have a lot of respect for people who stand up for their beliefs, even when they contradict my own. Hey, I even thought Jesse Helms deserved some props for standing up for his beliefs!
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Jesse Helmes!!! LOL, well lets not get carried away with ourselves!!! LOL. Yes, he's 'opinionated' alright!

Dear Action,

Since your birthday is August 1st, the same as mine, I will feel free to speak plainly to you, since we are almost twins.:)

I read both of these posts and frankly, sister, your's is no less opinionated than the one you are critisizing. Plus, the syntax of your sentences is not superiour. It appears to me that you are reacting emotionally in response to the opinion of the previous poster.

I sincerely hope the OP is mature enough to realize that her posting on an internet site her strong feelings about a matter that others might have heartfelt disagreements with, does invite them to also chime in their own strong opinions.

Now, I suspect that the original poster's strong revulsion to wearing these caps might have something to do with being forced to wear them for clinicals. I can totally and unquivically sympathise with this sentiment. It sounds to me as if those running her program are utter control freaks. So, of course the whole class is probably totally fed up, except for the brownnosing teacher's pets. Because, ethically speaking, I think she is on firmer grounds with the religious issue. The legal precedent is very strong for that.

My advise to her is to utter these four letters: ACLU. This might strike the fear of God into administration's hearts. Then, they can compromise on having the class vote on the dress code for the pinning.:)

LOL I got it!!! You said fear of God, about having it in a Church! LOL :rotfl:

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