I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
Sometime last century, I posted a link in this thread to a pre-peer reviewed study from Israel that indicated that, yes, the vaccine significantly reduced transmission. I linked to the actual study, but am too lazy to search a few hundred messages. Here's a media report referencing the same. Since then another study from Israel, with real world data, has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine (I admit, I have yet to read it).
We've both posted links to that study on multiple occasions, I think with people who have pre-determined views that are immune to evidence that sort of thing just gets filtered out when they read challenges to their views, sort of like when someone has had a stroke and they can be looking at something but their brain doesn't recognize it's there.
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54 minutes ago, MunoRN said:
We've both posted links to that study on multiple occasions, I think with people who have pre-determined views that are immune to evidence that sort of thing just gets filtered out when they read challenges to their views, sort of like when someone has had a stroke and they can be looking at something but their brain doesn't recognize it's there.
The "hosts" are blind in this way in the HBO series Westworld. Their programming makes it impossible to see some obvious things, like doorways, buildings or implied threat...or to remember patterns of behavior in people. They are then repeatedly abused by bad people for the profits of others.
We've observed this behavior in cults before but it's always been on a much smaller scale in this country. The reach of this particular cult has even influenced the thinking of people who aren't really in the cult but who, simultaneously, cannot really say that there IS a political cult to deal with in our society. I think that's reflected in the language we see in these threads...people influenced by cultish fixation on conspiracy and quackery.
Just wondering if the vaccines were so ineffective, why is this occurring?
Why did Trump and Melania sneak the vaccine without telling anyone?
I also bet Hawley and Cruz and all the republicans have taken the same vaccine they have decried which resulted in republicans being the major group to question the efficacy of the vaccines.
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13 minutes ago, Daisy Joyce said:
See, I’ve taken flu and measles vaccines in the last several years, but never wore a mask afterwards.
That's not the point. There were not influenza or measles pandemics or even epidemics when you were last immunized against those illnesses. The last time you cared for a patient with measles did you wear a mask?
That's not the point. There were not influenza or measles pandemics or even epidemics when you were last immunized against those illnesses. The last time you cared for a patient with measles did you wear a mask?
Baloney, there is a huge difference of treating someone who is acutely ill in the hospital from walking around in public, going to the store, etc. Masks are not needed when in public, because the last time I checked, I didn't see anyone coughing up a lung with an active fever and breathing on a NRB in aisle 4 at the local grocery. This is not difficult to understand. Put your politics away for a minute.
Do you understand how masks work? They are not there to protect you from other people they are there to protect other people from you.
Whoa, that's just breakthrough science right there! If I am such a risk to others, and I don't wear a mask, then why don't yall just stay home because the risk is too high to leave home. But it's really not about that, is it? Deep down some of you all just love to wear a mask and express to everyone how good of a person you are for doing so. It's a virtue signal , nothing more. Quick, find the studies on virtue signaling in relation to masks...
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44 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:
Baloney, there is a huge difference of treating someone who is acutely ill in the hospital from walking around in public, going to the store, etc. Masks are not needed when in public, because the last time I checked, I didn't see anyone coughing up a lung with an active fever and breathing on a NRB in aisle 4 at the local grocery. This is not difficult to understand. Put your politics away for a minute.
An infected person is a spreader of the disease, regardless of the severity of their illness. If we were in the midst of a measles pandemic I guarantee we would be wearing masks. How have you not learned, at this late date, that asymptomatic transmission is not a rare phenomenon?
Your cavalier remark about coughing up a lung at the grocery store is tone deaf when grocery workers have their health adversely impacted, often without health insurance or sick pay benefits. This is not difficult to understand. There would be fewer than 500,000 American deaths if the messaging about masks had not been sabotaged from the start and from the very top of the chain of command. Put your polilitics aside and accept reality.
28 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:
Whoa, that's just breakthrough science right there! If I am such a risk to others, and I don't wear a mask, then why don't yall just stay home because the risk is too high to leave home. But it's really not about that, is it? Deep down some of you all just love to wear a mask and express to everyone how good of a person you are for doing so. It's a virtue signal , nothing more. Quick, find the studies on virtue signaling in relation to masks...
Why do health professionals wear masks during procedures or surgery? Did you study this in school?
Of course it will be around long term, the common cold has been as well, and will continue to be. Did they ever figure out a vaccine for the common cold? Not a chance.
It amazes me how infrequently the discussion on here between nurses ever mentions our immune systems and how to build it up so it can do it's job. Without a sufficient immune response, anyone can die from any potential pathogen. Especially if vitamin deficient. It's important to at least realize that our healthcare system is more focused on taking a pill to correct a problem rather than addressing the problem at its core and attempting to resolve it before medication because that will have the best results in the end similarly to infectious diseases where the media, our employers , the institutions all promote getting a vaccine and you don't hear a word about how much vitamin d , how much iodine, how much chromium you should how much magnesium and zinc you need and exercising , sleep and a balance of everything. It's just the mob mentality best with promoting the vaccine and shaming people who aren't wearing a mask. I think nurses are more in tune to the theater of the masks but the general public don't necessarily know that surgical masks are not intended to prevent viral transmission of the respiratory system. Even if you try explaining that for some people it's no use because they hear the so-called experts on TV talking about masks and how they save lives. I mean for crying out loud even the surgical mask manufacturers box states this mask "does not protect against coronavirus"
The problems with your claims have been brought up, and ignored, before, but here you go:
The evidence that face masks or other coverings is an effective source control (it offers protection when those around you are wearing one) is fairly extensive.
Viruses transmit in respiratory droplets, so while you're correct that viruses are very small, it's not really relevant to how they transmit. Laboratory controlled studies of procedure masks, cloth masks, and other face coverings show any type of face covering will reduce the ability to spread droplets to others, either directly or indirectly, with some actually acheiving filtration rates comparable to NIOSH approved respirators. You could argue that we can't just infer that the ability to mitigate the spread of droplets in a lab setting would translate to the real world, but there are also real world studies that confirm that comprehensive mask use reduces the community spread of Covid. You are correct that 'general use' masks often include the clarification that they are not intended to be considered equivalent to a mask that is NIOSH approved for optimal protection for the wearer against COVID, but then again that's not the purpose of community source control.
In terms of the immune system, you seem to confuse viral infections with bacterial and fungal infections. Being immunocompromised comes with it's own set of risks when it comes to viral infections, but generally people with strong immune systems are not protected from viral infections since viruses like coronaviruses use the person's immune system against them. There have been multiple studies on the effects of Vit C, Zinc, Niacin, and various other nutraceuticals in Covid infections, all of which have not shown any benefit in severity of symptoms or mortality risk when taking even relatively massive doses.
One could argue that people have the right to not care if their actions including a refusal to wear a mask in public may present a significant threat to public safety, a degree of indifference to others medically classified as being a sociopath, but the general public also has a clear right, and responsibility, to take reasonable measures to limit the ability of sociopaths to do harm.
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We've both posted links to that study on multiple occasions, I think with people who have pre-determined views that are immune to evidence that sort of thing just gets filtered out when they read challenges to their views, sort of like when someone has had a stroke and they can be looking at something but their brain doesn't recognize it's there.