I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
38 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:
Of course it will be around long term, the common cold has been as well, and will continue to be. Did they ever figure out a vaccine for the common cold? Not a chance.
It amazes me how infrequently the discussion on here between nurses ever mentions our immune systems and how to build it up so it can do it's job. Without a sufficient immune response, anyone can die from any potential pathogen. Especially if vitamin deficient. It's important to at least realize that our healthcare system is more focused on taking a pill to correct a problem rather than addressing the problem at its core and attempting to resolve it before medication because that will have the best results in the end similarly to infectious diseases where the media, our employers , the institutions all promote getting a vaccine and you don't hear a word about how much vitamin d , how much iodine, how much chromium you should how much magnesium and zinc you need and exercising , sleep and a balance of everything. It's just the mob mentality best with promoting the vaccine and shaming people who aren't wearing a mask. I think nurses are more in tune to the theater of the masks but the general public don't necessarily know that surgical masks are not intended to prevent viral transmission of the respiratory system. Even if you try explaining that for some people it's no use because they hear the so-called experts on TV talking about masks and how they save lives. I mean for crying out loud even the surgical mask manufacturers box states this mask "does not protect against coronavirus"
How many people die from the common cold? In the absence of widespread suffering and death no pharmaceutical company is going to develop a vaccine for the ailment. Covid kills people and a significant percentage of the population still won't accept vaccination, imagine how well a vaccine for a mild illness would be received.
I cannot imagine that mitigation efforts are helped by agreeing with the poorly informed general public that masks don't protect anyone from respiratory viruses. It does absolutely no harm for people to wear masks, distance and sanitize while we combat this pandemic.
. It does absolutely no harm for people to wear masks, distance and sanitize while we combat this pandemic.
That's your opinion, period. Wearing a covering over our breathing apparatus is definitely a restrictive barrier. It's not normal for us to wear masks. If it makes you feel safer, then by all means have at it. But to do something based on emotion and virtue signaling, rather than actual, valid reasoning, are two different things.
Then there's the argument that by simply wearing one mask over your face you are decreasing your chance of becoming infected or sick and then by wearing three or four masks you are decreasing the chance even more. But for a particular group of people to claim to trust the science, there is absolutely no science behind this type of thinking. It is only merely used to attempt to make your rationale valid. I mean do you ever feel skeptical about anything? That's half the battle here with our society in general everybody is so tuned to think a certain way they can't even think for themselves. It's similar to saying if I drive to work and back everyday and I have figured out that it is 8 MI travel time on my current route and then I find a way to create a shortcut so that my new route is only seven miles then by using the new route every day I am decreasing my chances of getting into a car accident because I am drying being 7 mi instead of 8 mi everyday it's just nonsense it's not how it works you can get into an accident 20 ft from your driveway or two miles down your road. We have lost all ability to think logically.
Wow, that's a very extreme viewpoint. Fine and jail/forced isolation for not taking a vaccine? Do you even understand how our laws work in the U.S.?
I'm very sure you don't understand how the laws of covid or other infectious diseases work!
Do you think infectious diseases give two hoots about our stupid laws?
The thing about hypocrites is how easily they can justify their mistakes make it all about the other person. It's easy to do in this country, but maybe you should try living in other countries where you quickly pay for your stupidity so you learn to be considerate.
Talking about laws, when you choose to live in society you give up the right to be unlawful so your society can thrive regardless of your feelings. Eg why don't you go drive your car without a license or insurance? I did a search of prominent anti vaxxers and all I could find were celebrities who were paragons of intelligence??nottt!
Anti vaxers should start their own schools within their own communities in their own country or obey the laws of this country! When I don't like an annoyance, I remove myself away from it. It always works!
There are some of us who want to return to some semblance of normality and also want our loved ones to live!
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
15 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
That's your opinion, period. Wearing a covering over our breathing apparatus is definitely a restrictive barrier. It's not normal for us to wear masks. If it makes you feel safer, then by all means have at it. But to do something based on emotion and virtue signaling, rather than actual, valid reasoning, are two different things.
Then there's the argument that by simply wearing one mask over your face you are decreasing your chance of becoming infected or sick and then by wearing three or four masks you are decreasing the chance even more. But for a particular group of people to claim to trust the science, there is absolutely no science behind this type of thinking. It is only merely used to attempt to make your rationale valid. I mean do you ever feel skeptical about anything? That's half the battle here with our society in general everybody is so tuned to think a certain way they can't even think for themselves. It's similar to saying if I drive to work and back everyday and I have figured out that it is 8 MI travel time on my current route and then I find a way to create a shortcut so that my new route is only seven miles then by using the new route every day I am decreasing my chances of getting into a car accident because I am drying being 7 mi instead of 8 mi everyday it's just nonsense it's not how it works you can get into an accident 20 ft from your driveway or two miles down your road. We have lost all ability to think logically.
LOL
I didn't say anything about it being "normal" to wear a face mask, but it's not going to hurt you.
You don't provide any rational or valid reason to not wear a mask but seem to think that recommending masking is emotional virtue signaling. Then you question if I'm ever skeptical. Yeah, that's a giggle.
Am I supposed to take that comment seriously because it doesn't seem serious. It seemed silly, based in emotions with no scientific basis. It seems that your post projects onto others what you are doing.
You aren't skeptical about ignoring the science and evidence of masking during a pandemic. Nope, you employ a virtue signaling posture and language..."If it makes you feel safer, then by all means have at it. But to do something based on emotion and virtue signaling, rather than actual, valid reasoning, are two different things."
Yes...the ability to think logically seems impaired when folks try to use projection and nonsense to counter the logic behind wearing a face mask during a pandemic.
Health professional should stick to the science when it comes to masking during a pandemic. Getting yourself wound up with emotional anti-mask rhetoric and attitude when a half million Americans have died after a president publicly mocked masking, is not wise. IMV
I didn't say anything about it being "normal" to wear a face mask, but it's not going to hurt you.
You doesn't provide any rational or valid reason to not wear a mask but seem to think that recommending masking is emotional virtue signaling. Then you question if I'm ever skeptical. Yeah, that's a giggle.
Am I supposed to take that comment seriously because it doesn't seem serious. It seemed silly, based in emotions with no scientific basis. It seems that your post projects onto others what you are doing.
You aren't skeptical about ignoring the science and evidence of masking during a pandemic. Nope, you employ a virtue signaling posture and language..."If it makes you feel safer, then by all means have at it. But to do something based on emotion and virtue signaling, rather than actual, valid reasoning, are two different things."
Yes...the ability to think logically seems impaired when folks try to use projection and nonsense to counter the logic behind wearing a face mask during a pandemic.
Health professional should stick to the science when it comes to masking during a pandemic. Getting yourself wound up with emotional anti-mask rhetoric and attitude when a half million Americans have died after a president publicly mocked masking, is not wise. IMV
Why stop there? You should wear 4 pairs of gloves because I arbitrarily say that it protects better than one pair of gloves. If you say no, you are anti glove. This type of thinking is not critical . Maybe it's the aluminum, mercury in the vaccines AND the fluoride in the drinking water that is distorting your ability to think.
It amazes me how infrequently the discussion on here between nurses ever mentions our immune systems and how to build it up so it can do it's job
How did that go during the black death in the 14th century or the "Spanish" flu in 1918 - 1920? Oh yes, they died because the immune system 'aint that good. What changed? Antibiotics and vaccines.
I think nurses are more in tune to the theater of the masks but the general public don't necessarily know that surgical masks are not intended to prevent viral transmission of the respiratory system. Even if you try explaining that for some people it's no use because they hear the so-called experts on TV talking about masks and how they save lives.
9 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
Wearing a covering over our breathing apparatus is definitely a restrictive barrier.
9 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
Then there's the argument that by simply wearing one mask over your face you are decreasing your chance of becoming infected or sick and then by wearing three or four masks you are decreasing the chance even more. But for a particular group of people to claim to trust the science, there is absolutely no science behind this type of thinking.
Do you understand how masks work? They are not there to protect you from other people they are there to protect other people from you.
If everyone is wearing a mask then the virus gets caught in the mask and does not get spread. I am keeping this deliberately simple because from what you are writing you have a poor knowledge base. Lots of science about mask wearing. A simple Google will tell you that.
As for it being a "restrictive barrier" if your airway is so compromised that wearing a mask feels like a barrier then you should really be staying at home and away from any risk.
"From the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States, President Donald Trump has projected a cavalier attitude towards mask-wearing, refusing to wear a mask in public and mocking others who do."
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Do you really believe that the US has never mandated vaccination?!