I am trying to feel out if anyone else has declined the Covid vaccine and feeling backlash or tension with other co-workers? I have never heard so much discussion regarding nurse receiving or declining a vaccine in the 12 years I've been a nurse. Not sure why it should even matter but, I am getting a lot of pressure about it. I do not see why I am "crazy " if I made the decision against receiving the vaccine. I also do not understand co-workers pushing the vaccine on me and others, or insisting we are out of our minds. This is coming from management level as well as staff nurses. I am just appalled at the treatment and many of us who have declined the vaccine have kept to ourselves. For me, personally, I made the choice not to get it and I was done at that. It's been a month into our hospital vaccines and people will not just shut up about it.
Overall, I think the issue of refusal and herd immunity is a premature discussion right now. At this point, we have way more people clamoring for the vaccine than we have doses available. If someone who is eligible now chooses to wait, that dose will go to someone else who wants it, bringing us all the same step closer to herd immunity.
I understand that people want to wait, and because of supply and demand, their dose will go to someone who does want it.
My issue is people who have at least some science background state they base their decisions on inaccurate information. I strive not to mock or disparage, but I will call out false statements, just as "no one has any idea how the vaccines work."
Let us use our imagination here. You don't take the vaccine and very possibly you will contract covid but you are asymptomatic. You go to the grocery store and unknown to you, infect others. A pregnant woman gets ill and dies taking her baby with her. Her children at home are now motherless and the husband is heartbroken and begins drinking, neglecting his parenting.
This is one of the hundreds of scenarios that can occur from people you infected in the supermarket. If there are many like you, then thousands of other scenarios occur and almost none will be a happy ending.
You want to live in society and enjoy the benefits of that society, but you won't protect that society because your 'rights' are being trampled on.
That's what antivaxxers do! They kill their own children sometimes, because of their decisions through ignorance. I have very little sympathy for ignorant people except those that have deficits, through no fault of their own.
I choose to bully people when it's for their own good and for others. I work in Psych and sometimes, just like in REAL LIFE, you have to face the truth! And sometimes bullying through medical interventions, drives that message home.
Anyone who doesn't understand the 500k plus deaths in the last year and the expanding circle of all the people around the deceased and the personal implications to their immediate family, I don't know what to say.
We’re you an SS member in a previous lifetime? Holy cow, I hope you never hold a position of power.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, nursej22 said:
I understand that people want to wait, and because of supply and demand, their dose will go to someone who does want it.
My issue is people who have at least some science background state they base their decisions on inaccurate information. I strive not to mock or disparage, but I will call out false statements, just as "no one has any idea how the vaccines work."
Exactly.
Discussing and criticizing poorly evidenced anxieties and rationale for avoiding vaccination during a pandemic is not equivalent to bullying. If the discussion is distressing don't bring your thoughts about not vaccinating to a discussion thread.
I understand that people want to wait, and because of supply and demand, their dose will go to someone who does want it.
My issue is people who have at least some science background state they base their decisions on inaccurate information. I strive not to mock or disparage, but I will call out false statements, just as "no one has any idea how the vaccines work."
It is stated directly on the CDC website that the vaccine has not been proven to prevent transmission or infection.
Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.
7 minutes ago, UndecidedDuke16 said:
We’re you an SS member in a previous lifetime? Holy cow, I hope you never hold a position of power.
I'm actually really disappointed that this poster works in psych. Psych patients are so often traumatized by bully Healthcare workers, and then people like me have to work really hard to regain their trust. Oftentimes its impossible.
I'm actually really disappointed that this poster works in psych. Psych patients are so often traumatized by bully Healthcare workers, and then people like me have to work really hard to regain their trust. Oftentimes its impossible.
It is stated directly on the CDC website that the vaccine has not been proven to prevent transmission or infection.
OK, then maybe at this point, you are undecided. I agree with your decision as long as if the CDC and/or others can give clear data, you may change your mind.
Again, from either side (pro vs against vax), bullying anyone is plain wrong. I don't care who you are
I'm actually really disappointed that this poster works in psych. Psych patients are so often traumatized by bully Healthcare workers, and then people like me have to work really hard to regain their trust. Oftentimes its impossible.
Very sad ?
We should never bully anyone.
Which poster? The one that UD16 responded to, or UD16?
The comment from the poster UD16 responded to was not proactive in any way. It is also dangerous for people to act like this and think it's OK. FBT, you're 100%, bullying, regardless of idea is unacceptable
OK, then maybe at this point, you are undecided. I agree with your decision as long as if the CDC and/or others can give clear data, you may change your mind.
Again, from either side (pro vs against vax), bullying anyone is plain wrong. I don't care who you are
Yes, I have already said this. If data comes out that shows the vaccine prevents transmission and infection, I will get the vaccine.
there is nothing wrong with waiting until more information is available.
Yes, I have already said this. If data comes out that shows the vaccine prevents transmission and infection, I will get the vaccine.
there is nothing wrong with waiting until more information is available.
I'm curious now, why would you only be interested in the vaccine if it completely prevents infection and transmission? Why don't you think it's worthwhile to get a vaccine if it 'only' prevents symptoms, either entirely or of severe disease?
I guess I'm coming at this from the perspective of a COVID nurse who has seen younger people (20s-40s) hospitalized. Some of them did not have any preconditions that would make them high risk for severe disease, but there they were, needing ever-increasing amounts of supplemental O2 anyway. Every time I get a patient like that, I think how seemingly random it is and how that could be me. Speaking for myself, the prospect of a day or two of flu-like symptoms from a vaccine seems like a small price to pay for protection from symptomatic COVID.
I guess I just don't understand the mindset of a 100% guarantee or nothing. Modern medicine is amazing, but nothing is 100%. Most of what we do is just about trying to tip the odds in our favor, and even an imperfect vaccine does that.
It should be mandatory to take the vaccine for the protection of all of us.
Agreed. We've done it with other diseases. Why not with one that, aside from the human misery, will probably plunge us into a major economic crisis within the next year. .
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Good point.