UndecidedDuke16

How is it nonsense? I will pull the data over from the CDC website. What exactly about my statements is nonsense? I am not saying that absolutely zero deaths are occurring in young or healthy individuals. I am not dismissing the illness entirely. I am dismissing the belief that covid is as severe as the government and main stream media has been reporting it to be for the last year and a half. Why are Covid deaths so extremely not acceptable, but the year over year increase in heart disease, diabetes, mental illness, and drug overdoses, which have all increased dramatically during Covid by the way, are accepted as the norm? Maybe there is a reason for such a large portion of the public refusing to accept the Covid narrative. People are realizing that 99% of persons who contract Covid recover without medical intervention, and that there is not stacks of dead bodies being refrigerated in every hospital around the country, which is what the main stream media has led people to believe is happening all over the world. Newsflash. It’s not. Covid probably also wouldn’t have been as big of an issue or topic of discussion had politicians not taken it as an opportunity for political gain.

I don’t see healthy people dying from Covid. The statistics don’t support that claim. People can sit on here and give individual anecdotes all day long, but those individual stories do not paint the larger picture, which is that healthy individuals are not dying from Covid. So, I’d disagree, and say that the statistics do support exercise and diet and sleep providing protection against Covid. Again, because the people who do those things, aren’t dying from the virus. Unfortunately, a large portion of Americans are over the age of 65, and have multiple chronic diseases. Which is a caused by a combination of lack of personal responsibility for ones health, and the government choosing profit over public health

Nope. Not minimizing deaths. Just simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the covid pandemic and the nurses on this forum who believe in mandatory vaccinations and masks, but want to ignore the millions of deaths that occur each year In this country from chronic disease, medical errors, MVA’s, etc. I think there was plenty of self righteous nonsense in this thread long before I ever commented on it.

LOL. Ah yes, and now we get down to the root of it all. Politics. Got to love it! I guess now that I know I’m discussing data with individuals who let their political beliefs and emotions interfere with their practice, I can remove myself from this conversation.

Oh look! Another person pointing out individual outliers and handpicking data to fit their narrative and push their agenda! Nothing to see here!

I am not minimizing the deaths. But I do not agree with mandatory vaccinations, social isolation, and shutting down the entire country for over a year over Covid. Are you going to support the shutting down of peoples lives and businesses until no one dies from Covid ever again? People die every day. There will be more pandemics. Do we shut down the world down for every future pandemic? Covid is setting a dangerous precedent for future generations. Chronic respiratory illness and cardiovascular illness kill millions of people every year. Medical errors alone kill millions of people every year. Should we ban healthcare? With the Covid logic we certainly should! Ban all things until no human ever dies again! Covid should not have shut down the world the way that it did. The science does not back up such a harsh reaction. The consequences from Covid shutdowns and restrictions are going to be much more severe in the long-term than the immediate deaths will ever be.

I’ve visited the CDC website several times to look at who is dying from Covid. And it isn’t people who are young and healthy. Maybe take a trip to the website yourself and you’d see the data that states over 50% of people hospitalized with covid are obese, and have an average of two chronic health conditions. All of these are preventable with nutrition and exercise.

How is nutrition unrelated to fighting a pandemic? Would adequate nutrition not help boost the immune system, giving those at risk a greater chance of overcoming the virus? Or do you only believe in pumping the body with chemicals that give the appearance that you’re actually helping boost the immune system? My health status being above adequate is actually me showing that I care for my patients. By taking care of my body and avoiding sickness, I am able to provide proper care to my patients, and also show up to work. The pandemic is dangerous to those over the age of 65 with multiple chronic diseases. Otherwise, it’s no worse than a seasonal flu.

Vaccines, masks, social distancing, isolation, are not answers to this pandemic. Surely those of you on here who stand so strongly behind this vaccine, with all of your in depth knowledge and wisdom in Microbiology and virology (from the one 4-credit course) that is required for a bachelors in nursing, also remember the basic lessons learned in taking care of the immune system through diet and exercise? Does anyone want to discuss why America consumes 2/3 of the worlds prescription drugs, but is still the sickest nation on earth? Does anyone want to discuss how the majority of persons dying from Covid are over the age of 65, with an average of over two chronic diseases? It is not my job as a nurse to inject my body with vaccines every time a new virus emerges out of thin air, or to use my immune system as a Ginnea Pig to protect others. My job is to come to work, identify problems, come up with solutions, educate, and go home to live my life. I do my part by exercising, eating healthy, and taking care of my body. The fact that it is expected for all healthcare workers to submit to this sort of ideology that we must sacrifice our own bodies for our patients shows just how broken the system is. I have a right to choose whether to receive my vaccine or not. Just like these patients have the right to smoke, drink, and be obese.

Because I’m not interested in adding another yearly vaccine in addition to the flu vaccine. It is not know whether or not the two dose shot provides long term immunity. Which means there will likely be more boosters if it doesn’t. And I, personally, would rather take the risk of getting covid, with the fatality rate as low as it is, than intentionally getting the vaccine and feeling like crap for days.

I read it. The line just prior to the one you quoted stated that he vaccine reduced viral load by 1.2x to 20.2x, or whatever the exact number is. That seems like a wide range to make the assumption.

Yes, I have already said this. If data comes out that shows the vaccine prevents transmission and infection, I will get the vaccine. there is nothing wrong with waiting until more information is available.

I agree, it is very sad.

It is stated directly on the CDC website that the vaccine has not been proven to prevent transmission or infection.

We’re you an SS member in a previous lifetime? Holy cow, I hope you never hold a position of power.