Hey so I was wondering if a nursing professor will still fail you even if you put in a lot of effort over the semester to do well. Like you went to go get help from the in-school tutors and visited her after you didn't do well on tests and stuff.
I'm going in the final for my Womens/Peds class right on the brink of failing. I have to raise my grade 4 points in order to pass. My grades have steadily been improving over the semester and I honestly can say that I have done my best.
Will the professor still fail me if I don't do so well on the final?
Actually, it was bugging me, too, but didn't want to be picky! :)
I almost didn't want to point I out because I might be labeled a mean bully.
Everyone has that "nail on a chalkboard" sensation when certain things are said. For me, one of the things is incorrectly adding or not adding an S to things. For instance, someone at work kept saying "Lymes disease." It was driving me nuts!
I'm simply stating what mrsboots87 said she has NEVER done . I don't need people to agree with me, but when someone decides to be dishonest for whatever the reason, at least make it believable. It's not even something serious enough to even be tempted to lie about. It was just her claims of what she mentioned are more than likely false.
Remember: If one statement in the question is false. It's all false
This is why I emphasized what she said
I have no idea why on earth this post (and the one before it, same vein) have been allowed to stand unedited, but WHERE do you come UP with this? You outright accuse someone you do not know of lying, of BEING a liar, and all of this based on your BELIEF that "what she mentioned is more than likely false"?!?
Isn't someone who tells lies about someone else guilty of slander themselves?
I almost didn't want to point I out because I might be labeled a mean bully.
Everyone has that "nail on a chalkboard" sensation when certain things are said. For me, one of the things is incorrectly adding or not adding an S to things. For instance, someone at work kept saying "Lymes disease." It was driving me nuts!
I don't know you've actually 'arrived' if you haven't been called a bully at least once, and at least once without any clue as to why :)
And on the other part.....for me it tends to be something like "she's STATTING at 98% on RA". Statting, not satting? Show me the words "oxygen staturation" and I'll go with it! urgh.
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I totally agree with your point. A bar has to be set. Not only for minimum competence, but to insure NCLEX pass rates stay high enough to keep a schools accreditation. However, this is why I stated it depends. Last fall semester, I had a friend whose mom had a series of strokes within a few months, she lived, and earlier this year she passed. She did her best to schedule the doctors appointments around school, and once she became hospitalized, she went as often as she could.
The instructors in all of her classes (she's a semester ahead of me), allowed her to makeup the work, etc. Guess what? She failed one class by 2 points. I was shocked and appalled. My friend was the power of attorney, had ALL of her mothers health documentation, the obituary, and documentation to show she was buried out of state 14 hours away. She couldn't get the two points. Do a conference or something with her? In situations like this an exception should not be made? No I'm not being bias because she is my friend, but have a heart.
No, exceptions for opportunities for points not available for everyone should not be made. Allowing a test to be rescheduled for a day or two later/ allowing an extension on an assignment for a day or two? Reasonable.
Life affects everyone. Just because you knew what was going on with your friend doesn't mean there weren't other students in the class who had to deal with various life changes who still managed to get the grades to pass.
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I totally agree with your point. A bar has to be set. Not only for minimum competence, but to insure NCLEX pass rates stay high enough to keep a schools accreditation. However, this is why I stated it depends. Last fall semester, I had a friend whose mom had a series of strokes within a few months, she lived, and earlier this year she passed. She did her best to schedule the doctors appointments around school, and once she became hospitalized, she went as often as she could.
The instructors in all of her classes (she's a semester ahead of me), allowed her to makeup the work, etc. Guess what? She failed one class by 2 points. I was shocked and appalled. My friend was the power of attorney, had ALL of her mothers health documentation, the obituary, and documentation to show she was buried out of state 14 hours away. She couldn't get the two points. Do a conference or something with her? In situations like this an exception should not be made? No I'm not being bias because she is my friend, but have a heart.
I have a heart and I don't think she should have been passed if she didn't meet the passing standards, even if her mother died. It doesn't sound like from your post that she lost the points because of attendance but that she didn't make the grades to pass the class and the reason was because her mother was ill. They allowed her to make up work and it sounds like they were accommodating. The line is drawn when it comes to passing someone who failed the class to be nice.
Sometimes when the situations in your personal life demand time away from school (or work, in the future) you need to re-evaluate things. It would have been reasonable, say, for your friend to take a leave of absence from school to be with her mother and to return next semester when she can focus on school. I had brain surgery between my freshman and sophomore years of college. When I went back to school- taking a full course load 3 months later- I soon realized that school didn't come as easily to me as it once had and I had to learn to accommodate from the effects of surgery. It ended up being far too much for me and I withdrew the semester. I never expected that I could go to professors and say "feel bad for me, I just had brain surgery" and that they would say "it's ok, you don't have to do the work and we'll just pass you because we feel bad for you."
Then, my junior year, when my grandfather died his funeral was on a date that I had a test scheduled. Per the policies of the school, I was allowed to miss and then makeup the test but I still had to take it and the grade I earned was the grade I received. I didn't get any "your grandfather just died" bonus points.
1. I'm not sure where these colleges are that give out bonus points. You can include me as someone who never received a bonus point in college. Not a single point. Zilch.
2. A curved exam is way different than bonus points. A college professor is the better one to talk about it than me, but basically a curved exam means that the professor increases grades across the board (to everyone, not just his/her favorites, not just the ones that gave lots of effort); and/or the scale is changed (for example, instead of 93 and up being an A it is now 88 and up)--again this benefits everyone and is not bonus points. I have taken an exam that is curved, but no exams in nursing school (None!) were ever curved.
3. Happens all the time. Again, however, this is nowhere even close to being bonus points! Exam questions are thrown out based on item analysis of some sort. Questions are not thrown out to benefit just the people who show good effort--they are thrown out because they were bad questions and they should not have been on a college level exam.
Additional, bonus or extra points, whatever you want to call them are just that. For example, when exams are graded, and the instructor runs into issues with a test question that majority of the class got wrong and "fight" the question, the point is usually rewarded. The few students who got it right are given the extra point. I know students who have failed classes for 1 point on exams. I'm sure we all know someone who has been in this situation. If an opportunity presents itself to get awarded that point, take it. You never know how a semester may end. You might just need that point.
Out of all my nursing classes, I've only had one exam curved. Curved exams or adjusted test scores, do help to raise grades. Can make the difference between someone failing or passing a class.
We had 7 students fail out of nursing. But the instructor over our program passed them anyways. All of us went to the pinning ceremony. After the NCLEX, only 83% of our class passed. The collrge nursing program was almost put on probation. I heard the next year if the student failed, they were out of the program. Which should have been what happened with my class. I studied non stop. The ones who failed did just the minimum to get by.
I have a heart and I don't think she should have been passed if she didn't meet the passing standards, even if her mother died. It doesn't sound like from your post that she lost the points because of attendance but that she didn't make the grades to pass the class and the reason was because her mother was ill. They allowed her to make up work and it sounds like they were accommodating. The line is drawn when it comes to passing someone who failed the class to be nice.
Sometimes when the situations in your personal life demand time away from school (or work, in the future) you need to re-evaluate things. It would have been reasonable, say, for your friend to take a leave of absence from school to be with her mother and to return next semester when she can focus on school. I had brain surgery between my freshman and sophomore years of college. When I went back to school- taking a full course load 3 months later- I soon realized that school didn't come as easily to me as it once had and I had to learn to accommodate from the effects of surgery. It ended up being far too much for me and I withdrew the semester. I never expected that I could go to professors and say "feel bad for me, I just had brain surgery" and that they would say "it's ok, you don't have to do the work and we'll just pass you because we feel bad for you."
Then, my junior year, when my grandfather died his funeral was on a date that I had a test scheduled. Per the policies of the school, I was allowed to miss and then makeup the test but I still had to take it and the grade I earned was the grade I received. I didn't get any "your grandfather just died" bonus points.
The university did allow her to take off a year and come back. This was before her mothers condition worsened, then the strokes, and lastly her dying. My friend said she turned in the last research paper 1 day past the deadline and got points deducted. I don't think she performed at her best due to what was happening. I'm empathetic towards your health issues, and applaud you for making a full recovery and being successful in school. This is true, life happens. Do I think nursing students should be thrown to the wolves when a life crisis occurs and can be proven? Not at all. I would only hope that an instructor looks at the overall performance of the student in these special situations.
I think I responded to all I could. I haven't been on here in awhile, so it was nice to follow a thread that wasn't mine. Now I need to finish up clinical work, and start my review for finals in 11 days
Eh. There are enough nurses out there, the last thing this career needs is for passing standards to be lowered.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Nursing school is hard, but you don't need to be anywhere close to a genius to pass. Someone with an average intelligence level who is willing to put the work in shouldn't have a problem. And if you do, it's entirely your fault!
If teachers started giving out bonus points, NCLEX pass rates would decline, as would the school's reputation. I graduated with around 80 people, which probably had about 75% of my original cohort. All but two of us passed the NCLEX on the first try, and no bonus points anywhere to be found. And I went to a verrrrry unfancy state school which most people probably haven't heard of, so it's not as though our school was jam packed with brilliant students.
. I don't need people to agree with me, but when someone decides to be dishonest for whatever the reason, at least make it believable. It's not even something serious enough to even be tempted to lie about. It was just her claims of what she mentioned are more than likely false. 
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I almost didn't want to point I out because I might be labeled a mean bully.
Everyone has that "nail on a chalkboard" sensation when certain things are said. For me, one of the things is incorrectly adding or not adding an S to things. For instance, someone at work kept saying "Lymes disease." It was driving me nuts!